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Why Are There no - and Little Mention of - Children?
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SeaGtGruff✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭The responsibility of taking care of children is antithetical to running around doing quests, fighting daedra, engaging in thievery and assassination, and generally living a life of fantasy.
Children were mentioned in TES4:Oblivion by a hungry, creepy character at one of the Daedric shrines, but I think TES5:Skyrim is the only ES game that actually has children in it.I've fought mudcrabs more fearsome than me!6 -
myskyrim26✭✭✭✭✭
✭Also no toilets. I saw just one in Murkmire. Molag Bal stole them all along with the children.10 -
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✭✭✭✭✭myskyrim26 wrote: »Also no toilets. I saw just one in Murkmire. Molag Bal stole them all along with the children.
Well, there's Central Elsweyr, but that's just for Khajiit.
There are also plenty of sewers, so maybe people just do their business over those manhole covers.
I've fought mudcrabs more fearsome than me!6 -
Nemesis7884✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭the bigger question is why do people want to constantly waste finite development resources on nonsense that adds nothing or very little to the game...Edited by Nemesis7884 on December 20, 2019 10:26AM8 -
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✭SeaGtGruff wrote: »myskyrim26 wrote: »Also no toilets. I saw just one in Murkmire. Molag Bal stole them all along with the children.
Well, there's Central Elsweyr, but that's just for Khajiit.
There are also plenty of sewers, so maybe people just do their business over those manhole covers.
Ever see the buckets in homes...yea you're welcome.IGN: Ki'rah
Khajiit/Vampire
DC/AD faction/NA server.
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Freakin_Hytte✭✭✭✭✭It's a moral standpoint the gaming industry have in general, not able to harm kids. In a game where you can murder citizens it would be quite weird if you couldn't kill the children if they existed. Since most people that go on a killingspree probably aren't that choosy if it's an adult or a kid.
And children wouldn't add anything to the game, it was a good move to leave them out entirely, even to the degree of not mentioning them.
Saved zos having to explain why they chose to include children in a game where you can kill civilians at a whim and therefore not having to take any moral standpoint.Edited by Freakin_Hytte on December 20, 2019 10:25AM6 -
LohiWarBlade✭✭Before the invention of toilets, people used buckets and chamber pots. They were emptied in the simplest method available, sometimes right onto the street. In more sophisticated areas, refuse and discharge went into sewers or pits (to be cleaned out later). The only time towns and cities got reasonably cleaned was when the rains came.5
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SeaGtGruff✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭SeaGtGruff wrote: »myskyrim26 wrote: »Also no toilets. I saw just one in Murkmire. Molag Bal stole them all along with the children.
Well, there's Central Elsweyr, but that's just for Khajiit.
There are also plenty of sewers, so maybe people just do their business over those manhole covers.
Ever see the buckets in homes...yea you're welcome.
But what if you're out and about?
(I tried to post the scene about bedpans from National Lampoon's European Vacation, but it wouldn't start at the time I specified, so...)
Edited by SeaGtGruff on December 20, 2019 10:46AMI've fought mudcrabs more fearsome than me!0 -
Pauls✭✭✭✭✭
Did you notice ESO has many NPCs you cant kill or steal from them? No problem here if there were unkillable childrens.Freakin_Hytte wrote: »It's a moral standpoint the gaming industry have in general, not able to harm kids. In a game where you can murder citizens it would be quite weird if you couldn't kill the children if they existed.18 -
Hallothiel✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Because if they were like the horrid children in Skyrim it would ruin the game.5 -
Freakin_Hytte✭✭✭✭✭
Did you notice ESO has many NPCs you cant kill or steal from them? No problem here if there were unkillable childrens.Freakin_Hytte wrote: »It's a moral standpoint the gaming industry have in general, not able to harm kids. In a game where you can murder citizens it would be quite weird if you couldn't kill the children if they existed.
No I've actually not noticed them, only tried the killing spree thing one time, thought you could basically kill everyone except some quest givers and merchants 😁 you learn something new everyday, even after playing this game for 5 years lolEdited by Freakin_Hytte on December 20, 2019 11:04AM0 -
Ysbriel✭✭✭✭✭I guess they don’t want to point out that little Timmy ended up being a flesh atronach left buttcheek. So its easier to have adult victims. Which is sad because there is a Lore Book in TES5 that tells a story of a young kid that gets his heart ripped out and soul captured by a dremora.Edited by Ysbriel on December 20, 2019 2:39PM4 -
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✭✭I don't recall any mmo I've played that had children... WoW didn't, neither rift, Warframe, swtor or Neverwinter at least."It is a lovely language, but it takes a very long time saying anything in it, because we do not say anything in it, unless it is worth taking a long time to say, and to listen to." - Treebeard0 -
MajBludd✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I'm sure it would cause performance issues to add more unnecessary npcs running around.
They had to remove the deer from cyro because it added stress. How much, I have no clue.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Siohwenoeht wrote: »I don't recall any mmo I've played that had children... WoW didn't, neither rift, Warframe, swtor or Neverwinter at least.
WoW definitely has children. Lot's of them even and much to my surprise they aren't annoying or in the way like the ones in Skyrim were. So it definitely can be done, but do you trust ZOS to succeed on that front?
This Bosmer was tortured to death. There is nothing left to be done.2 -
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✭✭✭They seem to avoid having child NPCs in MMOs, presumably due to horrible things happening to them being even more disturbing than horrible things happening to adults.
Also, if you had playable child characters, there would probably be a few weirdos doing virtual things to them, in the ESO equivalent of the Goldshire Inn (wherever that would be?).0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭myskyrim26 wrote: »Also no toilets. I saw just one in Murkmire. Molag Bal stole them all along with the children.
For some reason, Kari doesn't appreciate me bringing a bunch of these home to the Thieves Guild cistern...5 -
SeaGtGruff✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I thought I'd seen one of those treasures before! It's too bad you can't place items like that the way you can place furnishings.I've fought mudcrabs more fearsome than me!4 -
Tryxus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭SeaGtGruff wrote: »SeaGtGruff wrote: »myskyrim26 wrote: »Also no toilets. I saw just one in Murkmire. Molag Bal stole them all along with the children.
Well, there's Central Elsweyr, but that's just for Khajiit.
There are also plenty of sewers, so maybe people just do their business over those manhole covers.
Ever see the buckets in homes...yea you're welcome.
But what if you're out and about?
The Mages Guild has 2 spells for that: Bound Bucket and Conjure Scooping Mudcrab"Stand strong, stay true and shelter all."
Tryxus - Guardian of the Green - Warden - PC/EU3 -
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Not harming them is not much of an problem, you could not harm npc at all before the justice system and lot in addition to merchants and questgivers.Freakin_Hytte wrote: »It's a moral standpoint the gaming industry have in general, not able to harm kids. In a game where you can murder citizens it would be quite weird if you couldn't kill the children if they existed. Since most people that go on a killingspree probably aren't that choosy if it's an adult or a kid.
And children wouldn't add anything to the game, it was a good move to leave them out entirely, even to the degree of not mentioning them.
Saved zos having to explain why they chose to include children in a game where you can kill civilians at a whim and therefore not having to take any moral standpoint.
However it would be plenty of work, just for decoration, you wound need child models for all the races and lots of different clothing and voice actors. They would replace some of the random npc but you would still end up with more.
WOW has a few children, its even an seasonal quest there you escort one, she became an non combat pet and that she is used for. people take them with them raiding
Grinding just make you go in circles.
Asking ZoS for nerfs is as stupid as asking for close air support from the death star.3 -
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✭Siohwenoeht wrote: »I don't recall any mmo I've played that had children... WoW didn't, neither rift, Warframe, swtor or Neverwinter at least.
WoW is full of children, no fuss about it at all, you can't harm them and that is it.
"Children are unkillable NPCs. They cannot be attacked and are not caught in Area of Effect attacks. Presumably, the designers feel that the possibility of killing children would not be appropriate game content. Games that allow violence against children would get higher content ratings in some countries.
While the children introduced in the original game and The Burning Crusade lacked voice clips (barring Anduin Wrynn) and remain as such to this day, pandaren and nightborne children do possess voice clips."
There is even great event about it:
"Children's Week is the time of year in which players focus on giving back to the children of the Horde and Alliance - innocent victims of the ongoing faction war (and their efforts versus Lich King). Orphaned children are available to be temporarily "adopted" from matrons and taken to visit various locations and people throughout Azeroth and Outland."
Not sure why it is all so philosophical here.
Edited by RefLiberty on December 20, 2019 12:21PM6 -
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✭They’ve gone to the Shivering Isle for Summer Camp...it’s been a long Summer...
Winter is Coming
Er....Skyrim...is coming...it’s always winter there..1 -
r34lian✭✭✭✭✭
✭TelvanniWizard wrote: »Molag Bal ate them as a part of his conquest plan.
That was pretty noble of him2000 CP • 18 Maxed Characters • 6 Altmers • 7 Redguards • Necromancer Orc • Warden Dunmer • DK Nord • DK Imperial • Templar Breton3 -
Tigerseye✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Siohwenoeht wrote: »I don't recall any mmo I've played that had children... WoW didn't, neither rift, Warframe, swtor or Neverwinter at least.
WoW definitely has children. Lot's of them even and much to my surprise they aren't annoying or in the way like the ones in Skyrim were. So it definitely can be done, but do you trust ZOS to succeed on that front?
It has a few, but it doesn't have lots of them.
You could go for days and not see one child NPC.
Or, at least, that was what it was like when I last played it, about 5 years ago (in WoD).
Might be kids everywhere by now, I don't know.
Those are the new style char models - not the original ones.
Edited by Tigerseye on December 20, 2019 12:50PM0 -
Czinczar✭✭✭From a moral standpoint, killing innocent adults is not better than killing children. The hypocrisy.6
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✭Treemagnet wrote: »Why Are There no - and Little Mention of - Children?
I assume it has to do with additional clutter.
I've always thought this was a rather large flaw, & certainly somewhat immersion breaking, for a game of this scope with so many NPCs roaming around. It seems a fairly easy step to just make some of these NPCs, kids.Edited by Grianasteri on December 20, 2019 1:03PM1
