MagWarden on the back burner

madman65 · December 2019

I was hitting 36k consistent but now i`m lucky to make 18k. Tried Alcast, Dottz and Deltia`s builds and still not hitting what I was making. Try and work on it later.

LoneStar2911 · December 2019

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MLGProPlayer · December 2019

It wasn't nerfed recently. The last few patches buffed us.

Runefang · December 2019

What’s your build? Rotation? Gear? Skills? Cp?

Cerotonin · December 2019

Try resetting your router.

madman65 · December 2019

Gear: Zaan, Olorimes armor and False gods weapons/jewelry
Race: Breton
Cp: 940
Rotation:
Back bar Wall of Elements, Winters Revenge, Lotus Blossom, Blue Betty
Front bar Force Pulse, Mystic Orb, Fletcher Infection, Deep Fissure

I start with Blue Betty and go to the left, swap bar and Deep Fissure then to the left. I try to weave in between but Latency/Lag makes it difficult.

SidraWillowsky · December 2019

madman65 wrote: »

Gear: Zaan, Olorimes armor and False gods weapons/jewelry
Race: Breton
Cp: 940
Rotation:
Back bar Wall of Elements, Winters Revenge, Lotus Blossom, Blue Betty
Front bar Force Pulse, Mystic Orb, Fletcher Infection, Deep Fissure

I start with Blue Betty and go to the left, swap bar and Deep Fissure then to the left. I try to weave in between but Latency/Lag makes it difficult.

Why on earth are you wearing Olo?

What mundus are you using?

Assuming you don't have the vMA staff and thus aren't concerned with breaking your FG set, try something like Mother's Sorrow, Spell Strategist, or even Burning Spellweave for armor instead of Olo.

Double-bar Bird of Prey; you're losing out on a big chunk of DPS by not having the Berserk. Assuming you're not playing with highly organized, score-pushing trial guilds, it's just generally good to double-bar BoP for the berserk and mobility.

You need a source of minor force too- I don't think you need to run Lotus outside of special circumstances (ie, when you need more healing), since you can get the crit from spell power potions. Run either Channeled Acceleration or Barbed Trap instead of Lotus.

Front bar- Orb is a very powerful skill, but it's seriously expensive. I don't actually use that when I'm parsing on a 3/6 mil dummy (which I assume you are). You're going to want to consider slotting Degen for the mages guild passives, and it does a decent amount of DPS.

My personal setup for 90% of gameplay is

- Mother's Sorrow front bar inferno + jewelry, vMA inferno back bar
- Perfected FGD body
- Zaan/Iceheart monster set
- Shadow mundus

Front bar is Fissure, Dive/Force Pulse, Fetcher, Degen, BoP
Back bar is Unstable Wall, Winter;s Revenge, Barbed Trap, netch, BoP
Eternal Guardian ulti

Rotation (LAs between everything)
netch -> trap -> wall -> swap
fissure -> fetcher -> swap
winter's revenge -> swap
fissure -> degen -> dive -> fissure -> swap
wall -> revenge -> swap

etc.

madman65 · December 2019

I really appreciate the help, trying the suggestion out. I will get back and state results, THX.

Kahnak · December 2019

madman65 wrote: »

Gear: Zaan, Olorimes armor and False gods weapons/jewelry
Race: Breton
Cp: 940
Rotation:
Back bar Wall of Elements, Winters Revenge, Lotus Blossom, Blue Betty
Front bar Force Pulse, Mystic Orb, Fletcher Infection, Deep Fissure

I start with Blue Betty and go to the left, swap bar and Deep Fissure then to the left. I try to weave in between but Latency/Lag makes it difficult.

If you're using Olorime then that is one of the reasons your DPS is lower than you would like - Olorime is a healer set. I would drop that for something easy to get like Mother's Sorrow. False God's is also better as a body set than it is as a front bar set, so you're briefly losing the benefit when you bar swap. Personally, I've always liked Force Pulse as an ability, but Elemental Weapon in the Psijic line is a better DPS option if you have access to Summerset. Mystic Orb is fine for AOE, but single target it is a waste of Magicka and you'd be better off using a single target DOT like Entropy for single target fights. Swapping for that Deep Fissure on your back bar WILL increase your DPS, but I can tell you that dropping one cast of DF is not going to be detrimental and it's probably better that you perfect your rotation prior to worrying about advanced bar swapping.

SidraWillowsky · December 2019

madman65 wrote: »

I really appreciate the help, trying the suggestion out. I will get back and state results, THX.

Good luck!

And not to say that their builds aren't helpful and decent in general, but I don't trust Alcast and the like with Magden builds- they tend to be a bit copy-past-y since they don't main the class. I tend to look to Stileanima here, since she mains and loves magdens-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ryz5dtrSw94&t=147s

I don't use her CP allocation because she has it set up for bash weaving, but she understands the class well and I've had a lot of success using her builds as a guide

madman65 · December 2019

I`m up to 26k now but I still have to get the rotation and weaving(pain in the ***) down but compared to what I was getting "better"... thx. Tried Mothers Sorrow before but didn`t workout, now i`m using it and getting 26K. I`ve got Spell Strategist and i`ll try it as well. Thanks again.

madman65 · December 2019

Seriously... Spell Strategist is working better and i`ve tried these before and had no luck. Omw I don`t know what to say but Thanks. 36K ! IDK... :^)

madman65 · December 2019

Oh just letting you know the Netch and the Degeneration does the same thing.

xWarbrain · December 2019

Netch gives recovery (not on character sheet) and adds 2% damage on your back bar. Its also free and lasts 5 seconds longer.

SidraWillowsky · December 2019

madman65 wrote: »

Oh just letting you know the Netch and the Degeneration does the same thing.

I'm glad things are going better for you!

They both give Sorcery, yeah, but the reason I recommend slotting Degen on the front bar is that you can get the Mages Guild passive that gives you a 2% boost to max mag and mag recovery for having it slotted (Magicka Controller passive). I'd rather front-bar another Animal Companions skill for the passive, but the sustain issues that have accompanied Dragonhold have made it so that I need to take all of the mag I can get.

Yeah, the magden rotation takes some getting used to for sure- it can be very dynamic. Learning a dynamic rotation will be very helpful in the long run, however, and I actually prefer the magden fissure -> skill -> skill -> repeat rotation; it breaks thngs up nicely and I've been finding myself trying to come up with something similar on other builds. It's dynamic yet still follows a nice pattern at the same time.

madman65 · December 2019

Thanks for the explanation, I`ll check it out. Yeah trying to maintain Magicka is the biggest problem hence the Olorimes.

thadjarvis · December 2019

18-36k is an amazing jump. Nice

At mid 30s you're getting into the zone in which little details start to matter. Each may only add 0.5% to 3% but there are dozens. You may want to share a superstar, parse page, and/or combat metrics info page for further detailed help.

Couple other things:
-if you do or plan to do difficult trials, consider also parsing on 21mil dummy (most guilds have someone in it that has one); PM if not and I'll give you access to mine [PC-NA]
-got all your useful passives? class, mages guild, destruction, armor (only some heavy/medium), Alchemy potion duration, etc.
-noting that you used lotus for buff; that's good when saving potions (gold) for easy stuff, but eventually you will want to Essene of Spell power or Spell Critical (option when using Netch) for challenging content and parses.