Magicka Nightblade - Dual Wield/Resto Staff?
Lexcro
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Magicka Nightblade - Dual Wield/Resto Staff: is this going to be ok for open world PVE and Dungeons? Never going to be into/have time for hardcore endgame stuff.
Would like to be able to heal in dungeons if possible.
If not, am I better off going stamina Dual Wield/Sword and Board and tanking in dungeons?
Thanks in advance!
Edited by Lexcro on December 15, 2019 10:11PM Would like to be able to heal in dungeons if possible.
If not, am I better off going stamina Dual Wield/Sword and Board and tanking in dungeons?
Thanks in advance!
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ShadowKyuubi✭✭✭✭Play destro (fire) / resto. DW and 2H are pretty much dead for magicka.
Sure not as many people play it anymore since summerset, but it isn't terrible by any means.
If you want to play DW/Staff, then play DW/staff. Don't let someone else influence what you do. Try it, if you don't like it, then switch.1 -
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✭✭Yeah run DW/staff. I ran DW Resto a few weeks back, feeling nostalgic, and it hit ok enough on my MagDk. Particularly with Engulfing.
In PvE you’d be fine. Even in dungeons. In PvP main hand nirn off hand crusher Sharp wasn’t bad at all. However in PvP you’re gonna want to run Ele Drain. A full glyph is better than a half strength one and 8% is higher than 6%.
But don’t listen to me or anybody else. Run what works for you.Edited by JumpmanLane on December 16, 2019 5:14AM0 -
ShadowKyuubi✭✭✭✭JumpmanLane wrote: »Yeah run DW/staff. I ran DW Resto a few weeks back, feeling nostalgic, and it hit ok enough on my MagDk. Particularly with Engulfing.
In PvE you’d be fine. Even in dungeons. In PvP main hand nirn off hand crusher Sharp wasn’t bad at all. However in PvP you’re gonna want to run Ele Drain. A full glyph is better than a half strength one and 8% is higher than 6%.
But don’t listen to me or anybody else. Run what works for you.
To follow up on it more, it is viable for basically all PvE combat, except some of the DLC HM. It is only a 60k parse because I was feeling very lazy, my light attack ratio was atrocious. However, on that note. You lose a lot of light attack damage by double dipping, so you may want to consider this.
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✭✭ShadowKyuubi wrote: »JumpmanLane wrote: »Yeah run DW/staff. I ran DW Resto a few weeks back, feeling nostalgic, and it hit ok enough on my MagDk. Particularly with Engulfing.
In PvE you’d be fine. Even in dungeons. In PvP main hand nirn off hand crusher Sharp wasn’t bad at all. However in PvP you’re gonna want to run Ele Drain. A full glyph is better than a half strength one and 8% is higher than 6%.
But don’t listen to me or anybody else. Run what works for you.
To follow up on it more, it is viable for basically all PvE combat, except some of the DLC HM. It is only a 60k parse because I was feeling very lazy, my light attack ratio was atrocious. However, on that note. You lose a lot of light attack damage by double dipping, so you may want to consider this.
I agree. Insightful at that. I only ran it a couple of days out of nostalgia.
Edited by JumpmanLane on December 16, 2019 7:03AM0 -
Lexcro✭✭✭Thanks guys, really appreciate the input People deserve to be treated with respect, even on the internet.0
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I am speaking as someone who has mained a 2H / resto melee magblade since forever. If you want to be effective, you can't get around the fact that 2H / DW / 1H+S light attacks scale with your weapon damage (in other words they are wet noodles) and that you need to be in melee range. Ranged light attacks are easier to land and staying at a distance is safer. A fire staff gives you +8% single target damage, putting you into the same ballpark as 2H or DW, despite lower spell damage. Infused DW double-enchant / Torug's Pact builds are quite dead, due to the nerf of enchants on DW.ShadowKyuubi wrote: »Play destro (fire) / resto. DW and 2H are pretty much dead for magicka.
Sure not as many people play it anymore since summerset, but it isn't terrible by any means.
If you want to play DW/Staff, then play DW/staff. Don't let someone else influence what you do. Try it, if you don't like it, then switch.
When I switched to destro, I persisted with Concealed Weapon and Zaan in PvP for a while. Then I switched to a mixed melee / ranged build, where I only go into melee range for my burst. It works better.
Sure, if you only care about RP and aesthetics, play anything you want. Open world, play anything. Dungeons run the gamut, though. For the harder DLC vet mode ones, I would run destro. In an organised group, probably double destro. For a more casual / PuG setting, destro / resto may be best. I belive vet Frostvault is the most difficult dungeon. Haven't done that, but I have done vet Scalecaller. I don't think I'd hamper myself with melee on a magblade in that one. Easier, non-DLC dungeons, sure, why not. Anything goes.
It really comes down to where the OP draws the line of what hardcore endgame stuff is. They mention dungeons. If that means they will limit themselves to non-DLC dungeons and non-vet DLC ones, they are probably OK playing anything. As a rule of thumb, I'd recommend going with what's most effective for vet DLC ones, though.0 -
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I am speaking as someone who has mained a 2H / resto melee magblade since forever. If you want to be effective, you can't get around the fact that 2H / DW / 1H+S light attacks scale with your weapon damage (in other words they are wet noodles) and that you need to be in melee range. Ranged light attacks are easier to land and staying at a distance is safer. A fire staff gives you +8% single target damage, putting you into the same ballpark as 2H or DW, despite lower spell damage. Infused DW double-enchant / Torug's Pact builds are quite dead, due to the nerf of enchants on DW.ShadowKyuubi wrote: »Play destro (fire) / resto. DW and 2H are pretty much dead for magicka.
Sure not as many people play it anymore since summerset, but it isn't terrible by any means.
If you want to play DW/Staff, then play DW/staff. Don't let someone else influence what you do. Try it, if you don't like it, then switch.
When I switched to destro, I persisted with Concealed Weapon and Zaan in PvP for a while. Then I switched to a mixed melee / ranged build, where I only go into melee range for my burst. It works better.
Sure, if you only care about RP and aesthetics, play anything you want. Open world, play anything. Dungeons run the gamut, though. For the harder DLC vet mode ones, I would run destro. In an organised group, probably double destro. For a more casual / PuG setting, destro / resto may be best. I belive vet Frostvault is the most difficult dungeon. Haven't done that, but I have done vet Scalecaller. I don't think I'd hamper myself with melee on a magblade in that one. Easier, non-DLC dungeons, sure, why not. Anything goes.
It really comes down to where the OP draws the line of what hardcore endgame stuff is. They mention dungeons. If that means they will limit themselves to non-DLC dungeons and non-vet DLC ones, they are probably OK playing anything. As a rule of thumb, I'd recommend going with what's most effective for vet DLC ones, though.
Look three posts above yours, I mention the light attack damage...Edited by ShadowKyuubi on December 17, 2019 7:43PM0 -
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✭✭Just a question, what exactly do you hope to gain from using DW on mag NB?
I can see the case for melee mag classes that don't have native access to major evasion, but for mag NB...?
I use DW for managing stam, animation cancelling, and for taking advantage of off balance. If you are using it for that purpose, then... it is effective even against the "pros" because it adds a random and trick element to combat.0 -
ShadowKyuubi✭✭✭✭Just a question, what exactly do you hope to gain from using DW on mag NB?
I can see the case for melee mag classes that don't have native access to major evasion, but for mag NB...?
I use DW for managing stam, animation cancelling, and for taking advantage of off balance. If you are using it for that purpose, then... it is effective even against the "pros" because it adds a random and trick element to combat.
The last DW passive grants a straight 6% damage increase when wielding two swords. That is it. Just 6% damage (3% a sword), hence inferno staffs are usually considered better because they grant an 8% increase to single target damage, which most abilities are.Edited by ShadowKyuubi on December 17, 2019 7:56PM0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Kaveman has it right. You can use it all you want for overland PvE. But it is not advisable for any serious group content. As for PvP it still works but your burst damage will be lower due to the basic attacks we weave in would hit like a wet noodle.
Staves are better in all situations. But for tooling around do what you want.
Edit: Just noted OP is interested in healing as well. Just might get kicked from a group healing with DW.Edited by idk on December 17, 2019 8:25PM2 -
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✭✭✭ShadowKyuubi wrote: »Just a question, what exactly do you hope to gain from using DW on mag NB?
I can see the case for melee mag classes that don't have native access to major evasion, but for mag NB...?
I use DW for managing stam, animation cancelling, and for taking advantage of off balance. If you are using it for that purpose, then... it is effective even against the "pros" because it adds a random and trick element to combat.
The last DW passive grants a straight 6% damage increase when wielding two swords. That is it. Just 6% damage (3% a sword), hence inferno staffs are usually considered better because they grant an 8% increase to single target damage, which most abilities are.
The damage done passives aren’t that great imo. The biggest difference I found was the base higher weapon/spell damage that DW have. That plus if you MH Nirn and OH sharpened you get about 300 or so more spell damage then a staff, plus half the normal sharpened trait pen.
Light attacks are huge in pvp though, I much prefer a staff unless I’m healing or primarily aoe. I’ve never tried it, but in cyrodiil with lag and light attack weaving not working anyways, DW might be good.Edited by Iskiab on December 17, 2019 8:14PMLooking for any guildies I used to play with:
Havoc Warhammer - Alair
LoC EQ2 - Mayi and Iskiab
PRX and Tabula Rasa - Rift - Iskiab
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ShadowKyuubi✭✭✭✭Kaveman has it right. You can use it all you want for overland PvE. But it is not advisable for any serious group content. As for PvP it still works but your burst damage will be lower due to the basic attacks we weave in would hit like a wet noodle.
Staves are better in all situations. But for tooling around do what you want.
I mean, I could run all the trials with the setup I used to post the parse. I couldn't run the hard modes, but I could definitely do the regular vet trials.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭ShadowKyuubi wrote: »Kaveman has it right. You can use it all you want for overland PvE. But it is not advisable for any serious group content. As for PvP it still works but your burst damage will be lower due to the basic attacks we weave in would hit like a wet noodle.
Staves are better in all situations. But for tooling around do what you want.
I mean, I could run all the trials with the setup I used to post the parse. I couldn't run the hard modes, but I could definitely do the regular vet trials.
I have seen a lot of builds in my time and in my more casual guild we carried many with less than optimal builds. It was more obvious when they were in the group if we were just doing a dungeon.
ESO is play as you want and many builds work for many things but a DW magicka build is not optimal in any aspect. Mostly because those DW swords seem more like wet noodles when it comes to weaving basic attacks.1 -
ShadowKyuubi✭✭✭✭ShadowKyuubi wrote: »Kaveman has it right. You can use it all you want for overland PvE. But it is not advisable for any serious group content. As for PvP it still works but your burst damage will be lower due to the basic attacks we weave in would hit like a wet noodle.
Staves are better in all situations. But for tooling around do what you want.
I mean, I could run all the trials with the setup I used to post the parse. I couldn't run the hard modes, but I could definitely do the regular vet trials.
I have seen a lot of builds in my time and in my more casual guild we carried many with less than optimal builds. It was more obvious when they were in the group if we were just doing a dungeon.
ESO is play as you want and many builds work for many things but a DW magicka build is not optimal in any aspect. Mostly because those DW swords seem more like wet noodles when it comes to weaving basic attacks.
Sure it isn't "optimal", but that doesn't mean it isn't viable. Yes, realistically speaking, you lose a lot of damage from light attacks, but not all damage comes from light attacks. It has the dps to pull it own weight.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭ShadowKyuubi wrote: »ShadowKyuubi wrote: »Kaveman has it right. You can use it all you want for overland PvE. But it is not advisable for any serious group content. As for PvP it still works but your burst damage will be lower due to the basic attacks we weave in would hit like a wet noodle.
Staves are better in all situations. But for tooling around do what you want.
I mean, I could run all the trials with the setup I used to post the parse. I couldn't run the hard modes, but I could definitely do the regular vet trials.
I have seen a lot of builds in my time and in my more casual guild we carried many with less than optimal builds. It was more obvious when they were in the group if we were just doing a dungeon.
ESO is play as you want and many builds work for many things but a DW magicka build is not optimal in any aspect. Mostly because those DW swords seem more like wet noodles when it comes to weaving basic attacks.
Sure it isn't "optimal", but that doesn't mean it isn't viable. Yes, realistically speaking, you lose a lot of damage from light attacks, but not all damage comes from light attacks. It has the dps to pull it own weight.
I never said the fence assistant could not be used. I did correctly provide the reason why Zos will not put a wayshrine and the comment about the wayshrine merely supports what I accurately pointed out. Again, thx0
