Dragons need to be nerfed and an aside.
DreamsUnderStars
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I know not everyone is going to agree, but lets be honest, frost dragons especially need to be nerfed. The other dragons that can use that soul ripping ability need to either have the ability nerfed or have it put on a longer cool down. And yes, I know you can purge the soul ability, but only if you're a Templar or have one helping you out, but realistically not everyone does. Restore staff should have a purge spell on it, or a morph, but as far as I know it doesn't.
A side note: Zalsheem's shadow pool needs to have a visible radius.
A side note: Zalsheem's shadow pool needs to have a visible radius.
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Artim_X✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Imo dragons are fine, since they're supposed to be challenging.
Also everyone has access to a purge skill via the alliance war support skill line.(AD) Artim X/Xirtām/Måtrix |PC/NA| Casual staff wielding vampire sorcerer/templar/arcanistElectric-Stunhttps://media.giphy.com/media/Av0zcKH3i2BkaY1GXW/giphy.gif/https://c.tenor.com/jQHdFftrgwMAAAAC/tenor.gifElectric-Pets- Roleplay Damage Dealing Build.
- Gear: 5 Infallible Aether (All apparel light and Divines with Max Mag Enchants), 1 Slimecraw Guise for max spell critical (Divines, light, Max Mag Enchants), Maelstrom's Perfected Lightning Staff (infused/shock enchant), and Kinras's jewelry (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant)/lightning staff (infused/flame/weapon damage enchant). 1 Mora's Whispers.
- Ability-Bar 1: Critical Surge, Boundless Storm, Mages' Wrath, Lightning Flood, Shocking Soul (Shock damage, Class Mastery Signature Script, and Empower), and Power Overload.
- Ability-Bar 2: Storm Pulsar, Streak, Shock Reach, Unstable Wall of Storms, Shocking Burst (Shock Damage, remove 1 negative effect, and interrupt) and Thunderous Rage.
Solo: Use Kinras's chest, replace Mora with Ring of the Pale Order, and use a heavy Slimcraw piece for max critical.
https://i.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExNHVjemwxZHI2ZmQ2bTg1ZG0xOTZ3b2QwajBzNGxmaHh6OXRpN3p6YSZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/eBgWizk5dmZRS/giphy.gifElectric-Heal- Stress free one bar pet build .
- Gear: 5 Infallible Aether (All apparel light and Divines with Max Mag Enchants. No chest piece), 1 medium Slimecraw for max spell critical (Divines, medium, Max Mag Enchants), Lightning Staff of the Sergeant (precise/shock enchant), Sergeant's chest (Divines and max magicka enchant), and Sergeant ring and necklace (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant), Oakensoul ring (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant)
- Ability-Bar: Daedric Prey, Summon Volatile Familiar, Bound Armaments, Unstable Wall of Storms, Summon Twilight Matriarch, and Greater storm Atronach.
https://media.giphy.com/media/5ibGIHneWS6ek/giphy.gifElectric-Ward- My Healer Build.
- Gear: 5 Spell Power Cure (All apparel light and Divines with Max Mag Enchants), 1 Slimecraw Guise for max spell critical (Divines, light, Max Mag Enchants), Maelstrom's Perfected Lightning Staff (Charged/shock enchant), and Infallible Aether jewelry (arcane with spell damage enchant)/restoration staff (Powered with absorb magicka enchant). 1 Mora's Whispers.
- Ability-Bar 1: Power Surge, Boundless Storm, Blessing of Restoration, Energy Orb, Twilight Matriarch, and Replenishing Barrier.
- Ability-Bar 2: Dark Deal, Overflowing Altar, Elemental Drain, Blockade of Storms, Twilight Matriarch, and Aggressive Horn.
https://media.giphy.com/media/Wa0TGmtDvwW3e/giphy.gifElectric-Vamp- My Meme Tank Build that uses high resistance and variety of wards.
- Gear: 5 Brands of Imperium (All body pieces except Head and Shoulders, with Divine trait, and with Prismatic Defense Enchants), full Iceheart (1 light and 1 medium. Divines and Prismatic Enchant), and Combat Physician jewelry (bloodthirsty with Prismatic Recovery Enchants), Combat Physician restoration staff (Infused with hardening enchant), and combat physician ice staff (Infused with crusher enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Critical Surge, Bound Aegis, Deep Thoughts, Boundless Storm, Healing Ward, and Replenishing Barrier.
- Ability-Bar 2: Silver Leash (Elemental Drain if healer isn't running it), Bound Aegis, Frost Clench, Blockade of Frost, Empowered Ward, and Temporal Guard.
https://media.giphy.com/media/ukDQiYZzRAxMZKcK86/giphy.gifDawnfang- Tanky stage 4 vampire utility focused PvP healer that can take down very inexperienced players but is primarily focused on working alongside others in an organized group, PUGs, or zergs.
- Gear: 5 Torug's Pact (medium chest and body pieces light. All Impenetrable with Prismatic Enchants). Gaze of Sithis and 1 light Mighty Chudan/Pirate Skeleton (light shoulders, and impenetrable with Prismtaic Enchants). Knight Slayer (Swift with spell damage enchant)/lightning staff (infused with oblivion enchant)/restoration staff (infused with oblivion enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Structured Entropy, Boundless Storm, Soul Splitting Trap, Radiating Regeneration, Healing Ward, and Life Giver.
- Ability-Bar 2: Drain Vigor (Elemental Susceptibility), Race Against Time, Rune Cage, Radiant Magelight, Regenerative Ward, and Shatter Soul.
https://media.tenor.com/ogWfvDdsqBIAAAAd/anime-black-clover.gifDuskfang- My casual one bar heavy attack Templar build that primarily utilizes Aedric Spear abilities.
- Gear: 5 Noble Duelist (Head or Shoulder and body pieces except Chest. All body pieces Divines with Max Mag Enchants), 1 light Slimecraw for max spell critical (Divines, light, Max Mag Enchant), Lightning Staff of the Sergeant (precise/shock enchant), Sergeant's chest (Divines and max magicka enchant), and Sergeant's Mail jewelry (One Ring and one Neck. Both bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant). 1 Oakensoul Ring (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Puncturing Sweep, Aurora Javelin, Toppling Charge, Blazing Spear, Radiant Ward/Breath of life, and Crescent Sweep.
https://media.tenor.com/Jo8aG_ouy_oAAAAd/ac-odyssey.gifEye of the Queen- Tanky stage 4 vampire utility focused PvP healer that can take down very inexperienced players but is primarily focused on working alongside others in an organized group, PUGs, or zergs.
- Gear: 5 Torug's Pact (Heavy Chest with light Head, Waist, Hands, and Feet. All body pieces Impenetrable. Health enchant on chest/head/legs and everything else Prismatic Enchants), 1 Medium Mighty Chudan/Pirate Skeleton Shoulder (Impenetrable, Prismatic Enchant), Knight Slayer Restoration Staff (Infused/Decrease Health enchant), and Knight Slayer jewelry (One Ring and one Neck. Both Swift with spell damage enchant). 1 Oakensoul Ring (Swift with Spell Damage Enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Radiant Oppression, Race Against Time, Aurora Javelin, Breath of Life, Resolving Vigor, and Life Giver.
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/fd/44/1c/fd441c8242af6ec35ada94496feb0901.gifEye of the King- My casual one bar heavy attack Arcanist build that primarily utilizes Herald of the Tome abilities.
- Gear: 5 Noble Duelist (Head or Shoulder and body pieces except Chest. All body pieces Divines with Max Mag Enchants), 1 light Slimecraw for max spell critical (Divines, light, Max Mag Enchant), Lightning Staff of the Sergeant (precise/shock enchant), Sergeant's chest (Divines and max magicka enchant), and Sergeant's Mail jewelry (One Ring and one Neck. Both bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant). 1 Oakensoul Ring (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Escalating Runeblades, Pragmatic Fatecarver, Cephaliarch's Flail, Rune of Displacement, Inspired Scholarship/Evolving Runemend, and The Languid Eye.
https://i.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExOTAzdjV1eTgwbDFmM3lrZmxuMXRqdDR3Y3h1ZDRpajR0M3VjZzQ3NSZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/zXmbOaTpbY6mA/giphy.gifPvE Starter Gear- Tanky stage 4 vampire utility focused PvP healer that can take down very inexperienced players but is primarily focused on working alongside others in an organized group, PUGs, or zergs.
- Gear: 5 Torug's Pact (Heavy Chest with light Head, Waist, Hands, and Feet. All body pieces Impenetrable. Health enchant on chest/head/legs and everything else Prismatic Enchants), 1 Medium Mighty Chudan/Pirate Skeleton Shoulder (Impenetrable, Prismatic Enchant), Knight Slayer Restoration Staff (Infused/Decrease Health enchant), and Knight Slayer jewelry (One Ring and one Neck. Both Swift with spell damage enchant). 1 Oakensoul Ring (Swift with Spell Damage Enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Escalating Runeblades, Race Against Time, Rune of Uncanny Adoration, Evolving Runemend, Resolving Vigor, and Life Giver.
https://media.giphy.com/media/6CovzgyTig7M4/giphy.gifRace- Gear: 5 Law of Julianos (heavy chest, gloves/belt light, and the rest can be light or 1 medium piece if you're not wearing medium anywhere else on your body. All in training if grinding for XP or divines), Armor of the Seducer or Magnus' Gift head, shoulder, and staves (light with 1 medium piece if you are not already wearing 1 medium Julianos piece. All in training or divines. The staves should be training or infused), and 3 purple Willpower Jewelry with Arcane trait (can be bought from trading guilds for relatively cheap.
- Check tamrieltradecentre.com for the best deals if you're not using a price checking addon).
https://media.giphy.com/media/sdEkeWpiaGz0A/giphy.gifMundus Stones- High elf, since you will not have issues with sustain, but other mag based races are also fine so this is more of a personal choice.
https://media.giphy.com/media/cT3wMhLGQWdKU/giphy.gifCurrent Champion Points- PvP: The Steed for speed. Gotta go fast!
- PvE Healing/Damage: The Thief for decent crit rate.
- PvE Tanking: The Lady to get close to resistance cap.
https://media.giphy.com/media/l4FGDAx6u3hthMhgI/giphy.gifFavorite Foods and Potions- DPS: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Exploiter, Weapons Expert, Fighting Finesse, Master-at-Arms, Celerity, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
- Healer Sorc: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Enlivening Overflow, Hope Infusion, Weapon's Expert, Arcane Supremacy, Celerity, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
- Tanky Sorc: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Ironclad, Enduring Resolve, Reinforced, Duelist's Rebuff, Bastion, Ward Master, Rejuvenation, Fortified.
- PvP Sorc: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Enlivening Overflow, Weapon's Expert, Occult Overload, Arcane Supremacy, Bastion, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
- PvP Temp/Arcanist: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Enlivening Overflow, Weapon's Expert, From the Brink, Arcane Supremacy, Celerity, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
https://media.giphy.com/media/3otPoTggaYFNd1FdAI/giphy.gif- Parse Food for PvE:(DPS) Ghastly Eye Bowl (increases Max Magicka by 4592 and Magicka Recovery by 459 for 2 hours).
- Gold/Purple Food for Sorc PvP and Meme Tanking:(PvP) Clockwork Citrus Filet (increases Max Health by 3326, Health Recovery by 406 [useful if stage 1 vampire], Max Magicka by 3080, and Magicka Recovery by 338 for 2 hours). Witchmother's Potent Brew (Increase Max Magicka by 2856, Max Health by 3094, and Magicka Recovery by 315 for 2 hours.
- Trash Potions when feeling cheap: Regular CP150 Essence of Magicka pots that I obtain frequently from playing the game or Crown Tri-Restoration Potion obtained from dailies.
- Crafted Potions: Essence of Spell Critical (Bugloss, Lady's Smock, and Water Hyacinth). Without magelight this is my primary means of obtaining Major Prophecy on my Sorc, which increases my Spell Critical Rating. This also heals and restores magicka. Essence of Immovability (Columbine, Corn Flower, and Wormwood). I use this in PvP, since this gives me stealth detection, knockback immunity, and restores magicka (better to use it when competent allies are nearby, since it might reveal that you are surrounded by multiple players in stealth and you will not have an emergency pot available after use). Essence of Invisibility with only 2 ingredients (Blue Entoloma, Namira's Rot, Nirnroot, or Spider Egg). I use this in PvE content that requires stealth and if I need more speed I'll use Rapid Maneuver before using the potion. Essence of Invisibility with 3 ingredients (Blessed Thistle, Blue Entoloma, and Namira's Rot). Very useful in PvP alongside the vampire Dark Stalker passive, since you'll be invisible, ignore movement speed penalty while in Crouch, and you'll have a 30% movement speed boost from Major Expedition (I always have this slotted when riding from point A to B in PvP land, since gankers are always lurking). My templar/arcanist will mostly use Essence of Health (Tri-Stat Potion) Ingredients: (Mountain Flower, Columbine, and Bugloss).
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susmitds✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Dragons are not supposed to be easy. Also, in case, they ain't really hard though. They can be soloed without much trouble.3 -
Fur_like_snow✭✭✭✭✭
✭You can synergize a Templar’s purge just be aware of debuffs and know when it’s time to hit X. Dragons should scale the more players that are targeting it.Edited by Fur_like_snow on December 14, 2019 4:54PM1 -
Moonsorrow✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭No nerfs to dragons!
Buff them instead please.
I do enjoy still seeing the Breath AOE line attack taking out many people at once who just stand there - so fun.
Dragons are supposed to be strong. And yes they are soloable. So if anything they could be buffed a bit.
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✭I think the adds are more of a problem than the soultear. But right now if there are more than 6 players attempting a dragon you are lucky. Many of them are low level and don't know how to play. Thing's usually go ok until the adds appear and they make quick work of everyone.0 -
vestahls✭✭✭✭✭
✭Dragons should not be nerfed, on the contrary they could do with being buffed a little.“He is even worse than a n'wah. He is - may Vivec forgive me for uttering this word - a Hlaalu.”luv Abnur
luv Rigurt
luv Stibbons
'ate Ayrenn
'ate Razum-dar
'ate Khamira
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DreamsUnderStars✭✭✭✭✭All these epic geared max CP players wanting the dragons buffed... You want more of a challenge, put on level 1 gear and fight them lol.
Whatever, I stand by my OP, they need nerfing, most especially the frost dragon.1 -
Araneae6537✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I’ve only been playing since July and am far from max CP but I absolutely don’t think dragons should be nerfed! I’m fine with most overland being easy but bosses should not be, and dragons especially, in my opinion. I’m very glad to how they were improved with the last DLC. You can avoid the devastating attacks once you know what you’re doing. I agree with the majority here; they absolutely don’t need a nerf.0 -
buttaface✭✭✭✭✭Dragons should be powerful. Dragons should have reasonable counterplay to all their abilities. Currently they do not. They are close to good with dragons, but the one shots need to be toned down.1
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karekiz✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Dragons should just scale based on population of zone.
If there are many many players, then more dragons spawn around the map. If there are only a few then one per spawn limit focusing players in one area.
That should at least help funnel players. Otherwise it doesn't really matter in the end.2 -
Dragonredux✭✭✭✭✭The dragons are fine the way they are no nerf or buff, I personally find the Storm harder than Frost. All i ask if the dmg/health is adjusted based on how many people are currently in the fight. No need to buff since Skeletons and Bone Colossus plus Dragon is enough challenge already without trying to adhere to the select few who claim they can "solo" a dragon.2 -
azjuwelz✭✭✭✭I love how powerful the dragons are. You should NOT be able to 1x a dragon.
That being said, try fighting them on a magwarden. My healer gal does quite well against even the frost ones. You have to do a bit of damage mitigation.Xbox-NA
Guildmaster of Nightmothers Deadly Deals
PVE/PVP Stamblade: Ylandra Silverthorn
PVE Magwarden healer: Raw'zl Dah Zel
PVE DK Tank: Greta Feuerwerk
PVP StamDK: Helga Feuerwerk
PVP Necro Healer: Dratha Helbain
PVE Magcro: Dorian Fey
PVE Magblade: Arivssa Thaoral
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idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭DreamsUnderStars wrote: »All these epic geared max CP players wanting the dragons buffed... You want more of a challenge, put on level 1 gear and fight them lol.
Whatever, I stand by my OP, they need nerfing, most especially the frost dragon.
It really has nothing to do with CP level and gear quality.
Also, using a lvl 1 character (even of an experienced player) is a very lame justification.1 -
RebornV3x✭✭✭✭✭
✭I think eventually when a new chapter comes out Dragons should probably be nerfed since there won't be as many players in those zones to fight dragonsXbox One - NA GT: RebornV3x
I also play on PC from time to time but I just wanna be left alone on there so sorry.0 -
AcadianPaladin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭My healer, after fighting about 25 dragons to give them a fair evaluation now ignores them as irritating and not enjoyable. She can't heal one shot kills and no matter where she positions herself, half the players around the dragon are well out of her healing range.PC NA(no Steam), PvE, mostly solo1 -
jcm2606✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭DreamsUnderStars wrote: »All these epic geared max CP players wanting the dragons buffed... You want more of a challenge, put on level 1 gear and fight them lol.
Whatever, I stand by my OP, they need nerfing, most especially the frost dragon.
This is an MMO. MMO's should offer group content that assumes the player knows what they're doing, especially in overland which makes up the vast majority of the game. Go play any other MMO, and they'll have similar content.
Want an easy experience you can solo? Go play a single player game. You're in the wrong genre.0 -
Gnortranermara✭✭✭✭✭
✭No, they don't need to be nerfed. Players just need to be buffed with a Dragonguard skill line. A simple six passive line (like Thieves Guild and Dark Brotherhood) should have been part of the Dragonhold DLC in the first place. Two of the passives could have been:
Dragonslayer (4 ranks) - Deal 5/10/15/20% more damage to dragons under 25% health.
Guardian (4 ranks) - Take 5/10/15/20% less damage from dragons.
That's plenty of extra defense and an execute bonus equivalent to running 2 Bloodthirsty. It's specific to a single enemy type and would have little impact on the game other than making Sunspire easier, and making the Godslayer title more attainable for trials guilds.
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Grianasteri✭✭✭✭✭
✭DreamsUnderStars wrote: »I know not everyone is going to agree, but lets be honest, frost dragons especially need to be nerfed. The other dragons that can use that soul ripping ability need to either have the ability nerfed or have it put on a longer cool down. And yes, I know you can purge the soul ability, but only if you're a Templar or have one helping you out, but realistically not everyone does. Restore staff should have a purge spell on it, or a morph, but as far as I know it doesn't.
A side note: Zalsheem's shadow pool needs to have a visible radius.
I do not think they need nerfed.
Instead they should scale to the number of people engaged in combat with it.
Granted, the frost dragon aoe seems, ridiculous, but it still goes down with enough people and that is the way it surely should be.0 -
Reverb✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭And they say PVE'rs don't call for nerfs
No one says that. Pve’ers call for nerfs all the time. Years later we still get “VMA is too hard” threads, most of the DLC dungeons have been nerfed considerably from their initial state, and some have been nerfed several times, trial mechanics have been made easier due to complaints from people who didn’t want to learn them. The entire zone of Craglorn, the last truly challenging overland map, was gutted with 1T because people avoided it because it was “too hard”.Battle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster, and if you gaze into the abyss, the abyss gazes also into you. ~Friedrich Nietzsche1 -
5cript✭✭✭✭Holy no, dont nerf dragons.
I was so happy that they aren't just a joke. People should die to dragons here and there, or they'd be laughing stock.
ESO PvE Content is already amongst the most casual friendly in all mmos.Edited by 5cript on December 17, 2019 1:04PM1 -
BooPerScOOper✭✭✭And they say PVE'rs don't call for nerfs
No one says that. Pve’ers call for nerfs all the time. Years later we still get “VMA is too hard” threads, most of the DLC dungeons have been nerfed considerably from their initial state, and some have been nerfed several times, trial mechanics have been made easier due to complaints from people who didn’t want to learn them. The entire zone of Craglorn, the last truly challenging overland map, was gutted with 1T because people avoided it because it was “too hard”.
Just wait until those nerfers do vBRP... lol They won't understand what's going on...lololol
IMO Dragons should be buffed slightly.
1. Stronger breath
2. Once Soul Tear is out it should not go away until the dragon is deadEdited by BooPerScOOper on December 17, 2019 3:23PM0 -
Veinblood1965✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭(snip) Seriously so what you die a few times when fighting a dragon that's the fun of it it's a DRAGON! I love it when they come in for their dragon breath staffing runs and you see tons of little white crosses on the ground that never gets old even when I'm one of the dead.
(edited for baiting)Edited by ZOS_FalcoYamaoka on December 17, 2019 4:59PM0 -
Dusk_Coven✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭I've never purged that dot, just healed through. Even on Stamina characters I used Draining Shot to heal through.
A lot of people stand too close and get whacked by the tail or wing and during that CC they get into other trouble and that's what kills them.
Other people see the dragon take off but mill around the middle waiting for it to breath fire/frost/lightning on them. That kills them too.
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Davadin✭✭✭✭✭
✭DreamsUnderStars wrote: »I know not everyone is going to agree, but lets be honest, frost dragons especially need to be nerfed. The other dragons that can use that soul ripping ability need to either have the ability nerfed or have it put on a longer cool down. And yes, I know you can purge the soul ability, but only if you're a Templar or have one helping you out, but realistically not everyone does. Restore staff should have a purge spell on it, or a morph, but as far as I know it doesn't.
A side note: Zalsheem's shadow pool needs to have a visible radius.
solo-ing a dragon is already at the vMA run. Frost is probably at the perfect-run level of vMA coz of those damn super wide AoE.
Dragons deserve to be scary. They deserve a buff all around. Not a nerf.August Palatine Davadin Bloodstrake - Nord Dragon Knight - PC NA - Gray Host
Greymoor 6.0.7 PvP : Medium 2H/SnB The Destroyer
Dragonhold 5.2.11 PvE : Medium DW/2H The Blood Furnace
March 2021 (too lazy to add CP) PvP: Medium DW/Bow The Stabber0 -
Neoauspex✭✭✭✭✭
✭There should be a dragon fight on that long bridge over the canyon so people can't just attack from range and avoid all the aoe mechanics. Now that would be fun...1
