Soul harvest for stamblade
LittlePinkDot
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Sooo I read that ultimates scale off whatever your higher resource and damage type is...so it shouldn't matter if you're a stamblade and are using soul harvest which has magic damage?
The major defile from Soul Harvest looks better than incap.
The major defile from Soul Harvest looks better than incap.
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ThePedge✭✭✭✭✭Used it for quite a while since the changes and both morphs have their merits. One thing to take into account is CP, as this will buff Incap but not Soul Harvest, afaik. I only play BGs and noCP though.
Reave on Incap is so useful for managing resources, like having extra mag recovery and Stam recovery glyphs for free.
Silence, in situations can be useful. I hate how it can be broken, but most don't expect it and leaves Magicka toons without heals for a couple of seconds.
The defile is good, means that using a CC isn't that important straight away. For example you can Soul Harvest, whack away for a few seconds as they will be expecting CC, while they arent able to fully heal. Then CC and burst the rest down with bow.5
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Iskiab✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Yea, it is. Only downside is penetration of the damage type. So if an ultimate hits for magic damage it’ll use your spell pen.Looking for any guildies I used to play with:
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LittlePinkDot✭✭✭✭✭Used it for quite a while since the changes and both morphs have their merits. One thing to take into account is CP, as this will buff Incap but not Soul Harvest, afaik. I only play BGs and noCP though.
Reave on Incap is so useful for managing resources, like having extra mag recovery and Stam recovery glyphs for free.
Silence, in situations can be useful. I hate how it can be broken, but most don't expect it and leaves Magicka toons without heals for a couple of seconds.
The defile is good, means that using a CC isn't that important straight away. For example you can Soul Harvest, whack away for a few seconds as they will be expecting CC, while they arent able to fully heal. Then CC and burst the rest down with bow.
I've been thinking about making my vampire Dunmer night blade a hybrid with Heavy Pelinal's set, DW and Sword and shield. But only skill Magicka skill Im going to use is Soul Harvest and Crippling grasp. In your opinion... Am I on to something here? Or should I just use some other heavy set?0 -
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✭✭✭LittlePinkDot wrote: »Used it for quite a while since the changes and both morphs have their merits. One thing to take into account is CP, as this will buff Incap but not Soul Harvest, afaik. I only play BGs and noCP though.
Reave on Incap is so useful for managing resources, like having extra mag recovery and Stam recovery glyphs for free.
Silence, in situations can be useful. I hate how it can be broken, but most don't expect it and leaves Magicka toons without heals for a couple of seconds.
The defile is good, means that using a CC isn't that important straight away. For example you can Soul Harvest, whack away for a few seconds as they will be expecting CC, while they arent able to fully heal. Then CC and burst the rest down with bow.
I've been thinking about making my vampire Dunmer night blade a hybrid with Heavy Pelinal's set, DW and Sword and shield. But only skill Magicka skill Im going to use is Soul Harvest and Crippling grasp. In your opinion... Am I on to something here? Or should I just use some other heavy set?
Sort of. I ran something similar but 5m-1H-1L, 3x weapon damage glyphs and bright throat. That set that replenishes resources when you’re in stealth might be good too, didn’t try it.
In no-CP it’s good, but you’re reliant on onslaught for big burst.
Without 2H onslaught I think a fire staff is better. Those light attacks add up.
It’s neat having a good dodge rolly mag build with vigor.
Edit: the only advantage of DW (besides MH Nirn, OH sharpened traits) is blade cloak. Since it’s a weapon ability it will proc a back bar weapon damage glyph. I haven’t figured out a NB build to use it though.
Edit2: before you try it and say wtf, there’s a synergy between mist and dodge roll. 4 seconds of mist helps clear the dodge roll debuff.Edited by Iskiab on December 16, 2019 2:49PMLooking for any guildies I used to play with:
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JinxxND✭✭✭✭Honestly while soul harvest is better for the defile your better off running a 2h onslaught in literally every scenario. The 100% pen gives more burst then either incap or soul harvest and then the 5 secs of pen that can't be purged is way better for following up then boosting already existed potential dots on the target by 20% that do no damage as is. Incap I find best on a bow bar for the sustain on ranged light attacks that are way easier to land then melee with the targeting and people running all over the place.
Right now for bursting someone down and following up onslaught is too strong, and you can always slot something like power extraction for aoe undodgeable damage that also lowers their weapon/spell damage making it harder to heal basically doing the same thing incap used todo but with way higher damage.
The whole point of incap and just the traditional nightblade before all the nerfs was debuffing the enemy, because they would have major fracture from surprise attack, possibly another dot from a set, poison inject, rending slashes, etc. on top of the two debuffs of major defile and the damage boost so even if they did purge they wouldn't purge every debuff, because they fundamentally ruined how nightblade functioned and are now pigeon holing it into a more just stack damage to burst people down which is better off with 2h ult.Edited by JinxxND on December 16, 2019 3:08PMPC NA -
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LittlePinkDot✭✭✭✭✭Honestly while soul harvest is better for the defile your better off running a 2h onslaught in literally every scenario. The 100% pen gives more burst then either incap or soul harvest and then the 5 secs of pen that can't be purged is way better for following up then boosting already existed potential dots on the target by 20% that do no damage as is. Incap I find best on a bow bar for the sustain on ranged light attacks that are way easier to land then melee with the targeting and people running all over the place.
Right now for bursting someone down and following up onslaught is too strong, and you can always slot something like power extraction for aoe undodgeable damage that also lowers their weapon/spell damage making it harder to heal basically doing the same thing incap used todo but with way higher damage.
The whole point of incap and just the traditional nightblade before all the nerfs was debuffing the enemy, because they would have major fracture from surprise attack, possibly another dot from a set, poison inject, rending slashes, etc. on top of the two debuffs of major defile and the damage boost so even if they did purge they wouldn't purge every debuff, because they fundamentally ruined how nightblade functioned and are now pigeon holing it into a more just stack damage to burst people down which is better off with 2h ult.
I was thinking about 2H. I just liked the DW passives better. But Im thinking of using shield and Sword for backbar for better blocking and shield wall + meditate. I was aiming for a tanky character. I already have so many medium armour toons.0 -
Luede✭✭✭✭✭LittlePinkDot wrote: »Honestly while soul harvest is better for the defile your better off running a 2h onslaught in literally every scenario. The 100% pen gives more burst then either incap or soul harvest and then the 5 secs of pen that can't be purged is way better for following up then boosting already existed potential dots on the target by 20% that do no damage as is. Incap I find best on a bow bar for the sustain on ranged light attacks that are way easier to land then melee with the targeting and people running all over the place.
Right now for bursting someone down and following up onslaught is too strong, and you can always slot something like power extraction for aoe undodgeable damage that also lowers their weapon/spell damage making it harder to heal basically doing the same thing incap used todo but with way higher damage.
The whole point of incap and just the traditional nightblade before all the nerfs was debuffing the enemy, because they would have major fracture from surprise attack, possibly another dot from a set, poison inject, rending slashes, etc. on top of the two debuffs of major defile and the damage boost so even if they did purge they wouldn't purge every debuff, because they fundamentally ruined how nightblade functioned and are now pigeon holing it into a more just stack damage to burst people down which is better off with 2h ult.
I was thinking about 2H. I just liked the DW passives better. But Im thinking of using shield and Sword for backbar for better blocking and shield wall + meditate. I was aiming for a tanky character. I already have so many medium armour toons.
maybe passive skills looks better, but rally ist a must have on NB. Or u play with dark cloak, but u need some healing. u will die if u only have vigor.1 -
JinxxND✭✭✭✭Even if you do go heavy armor nb your gonna be better of doing something with the 2h ult over incap/soul harvest. For starters it allows you to invest all into weapon damage to boost your heals and damage instead of pen. Depending if you do no cp or CP it's less points you can put in pen and distribute amongst other dmg trees in CP, and in non CP the damage with a proper setup even without a gank build can delete people instantly and if it doesn't the follow up dmg with 100% pen is more pressure, not to mention that onslaught is a small aoe, non CP I've hit tightly packed group that stay super close for over 10k pretty consistently with a good setup granted it was a medium armor dark cloak brawler setup, with heavy armor you would have to line up more things but still very doable.PC NA -
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JinxxND✭✭✭✭If your deadset in not running 2h ult, and using dw or anything else melee main bar I would definitely opt for soul harvest on a stam toon with new moon and the lover mundus with sharpened weapons to get as much spell pen for the ult and just the pen in general to help with the follow up on the rest of your stam abilities, definitely wouldn't go hybrid though as outside of investing in spell pen with weapons/mundus and a set like new moon it's too much of a strain on stats and incredibly inefficientPC NA -
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✭✭✭✭✭I_am_Groot wrote: »I'm getting recked from Soul Harvest, whats a good counter?
According to ZOS cast times.I'm done with this game because of ZOS pushing us into Vengeance, because they don't know how to fix Cyrodiil.1 -
Zelos✭✭✭✭✭I use soul harvest on stamblade now, incap is so frustrating of a skill to get to work with. Ults scale off of max stats magicka or stamina. The only thing you loose by taking soul harvest is it will scale of Spell Crit, Spell Pen... thats pretty much it. The other parts of soul harvest I like more then incap, I dont need anymore sustain from reave I hate the silence attached to incap pretty much free CC immunity to the other person... AKA if you are fighting a stamina player you put yourself at a disadvantage by using it also makes it impossible to setup bursts with relentless. I far prefer the Major Defile and Ulti you get from Soul harvest, for a little bit of damage loss on the ultimate.Aeonhack - AD Stamina Nightblade - 5 Star General
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JinxxND✭✭✭✭If they don't remove cast times they should make incap/soul harvest go back to being 50 ult since it's been nerfed into the ground with the removal of the defile/stun. At least then you could have more opportunities to miss the ult since people roll dodge it 90% of the time.Edited by JinxxND on December 25, 2019 8:19AMPC NA -
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MusCanus✭✭✭✭✭...The only thing you loose by taking soul harvest is it will scale of Spell Crit, Spell Pen... thats pretty much it.
As far as I know it scales of Weapon Crit, it counts as the highest stat as well as Weapon Damage. Spell Pen yes + loss of damage in CP.Edited by MusCanus on December 26, 2019 1:31AM0