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ESO Stadia needs its own server
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After having Stadia for nearly a month now, it's not fair for players on there to be on the same servers as PC players, or any existing server really. The service hasn't improved much at all since it launched. The way other multiplayer games act on there, you could easily mistake them for very faulty programmed bots as the connection and controls give out or over-compensate your actions at random. Playing Destiny 2 for example I find myself stopping mid fight, running aimlessly into walls, over shooting, or just spinning in place for 10 seconds before regaining control. Mind you my connection is 1000 Mbps up/down wired connected to the Chromecast Ultra and 600 Mbps wifi for the controller.
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SirAndy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Marketing: How about we stream games at 4k resolution and 60fps from our servers to clients anywhere in the world! It'll be so awesome!
Reality: I don't think so ...
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Siohwenoeht✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭That's what quite a few of us said stadia would be. The only folks that would see an improvement in gameplay are the ones running older PC's. It adds another stop on the chain.
For instance, I dabbled in using a vr setup for ESO and while fun, the input lag especially went downhill. Same for stadia.
I doubt there are enough ESO players that want to switch to stadia to warrant the cost of a new server for it anyway. They're currently allotting resources to stabilize the servers they have already."It is a lovely language, but it takes a very long time saying anything in it, because we do not say anything in it, unless it is worth taking a long time to say, and to listen to." - Treebeard4 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Thing is, even those with "potato" machines won't see much boost unless they also have absolutely the BEST 'net out there.
It's not.... a really wonderful "fix everything" option.3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I do not think that will happen. I expect Zos would not start up another pair of servers unless they felt they would fill them with a huge number of players. If they felt Stadia could deliver it is doubtful they would start it off on PC/Mac. Hard to get players to move to a new server and leave friends behind.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭At the moment Stadia servers would be a bad idea for PvP, and probably for PvE too. We already have people complaining there's not enough players in Cyrodiil, in the Imperial City, even in Battlegrounds and I've seen at least one topic today about how there's not enough people to fight dragons and world bosses outside of special events.
If the minority of people who are playing ESO on Stadia are split onto their own servers they'll be hit with an extreme version of that. I imagine dealing with lag spikes and the possibility of someone thinking you're a bot would be preferable to being unable to get enough people for a battleground, or world boss or turning Cyrodiil into PvE because there's so few people all 3 sides can easily avoid each other.PC EU player | She/her/hers | PAWS (Positively Against Wrip-off Stuff) - Say No to Crown Crates!
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andreasv✭✭✭✭✭Maybe I misunderstand something here, but are you saying D2 plays poorly because Stadia players are on the PC servers? Because D2 has its own Stadia servers, and if it runs like ***, it's simply because that's the Stadia experience.
Even if ESO would get their Stadia servers, I doubt it will improve performance.2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭It's not a server performance issue, its a player experience issue. They would be severely handicapped to the point they would be constantly kicked from groups as their actions are completely unreliable, highly likely reported as bots for their erratic behavior when they lose control, and may have a severely negative playing experience when dealing with increased toxicity from others who don't understand their poor performance isn't something they have control over.Edited by phaneub17_ESO on December 11, 2019 10:38AM0 -
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✭✭If Stadia has its own servers for ESO it will be a wasteland, finally people will have singleplayer ESO."The Heritance are racists yes? Idiots. But dangerous, destabilizing racist idiots." - Razum-dar
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Michaelkeir✭✭✭✭✭I'm shocked people are actually buying the Stadia. I did my research and it appears to....bad...for lack of a better term.7 -
PrimusNephilim✭✭✭✭✭So let me get this right....OP buys Stadia knowing ESO doesn't have servers for Stadia, after a month of playing, he calls out that its unfair to be on the same server as PC.
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Saelent✭✭✭✭✭As much fun as it is to blame ZoS for lag, the issue isn’t with ESO servers. ZoS shouldn’t waste the money on a system that isn’t going to last.
Not to be mean, but there isn’t another way to say it, you should have done your research before buying into their rubbish system.
ESO needs to be downloaded and played from your own system, end of.2 -
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✭✭No, Google/Zenimax needs to realise that an MMO, or really any online-only game, is not going to work on a cloud game streaming service, and they need to axe it altogether and refund any money people spent on Stadia ESO, or hook up Stadia ESO accounts to standalone Zenimax ESO accounts, so Stadia players can at least get what they paid for.
Even if Stadia ESO was on its own servers, realistically, how long would you play before you got tired of the myriad of issues plaguing a cloud game streaming service? Not very long, I'd imagine. For now, it might not be a big deal, but imagine in a few more months, maybe coming up to 6 months, or even a year. Seriously ask yourself, do you see yourself still playing Stadia ESO, or using Stadia at all?
This is really the problem with Stadia, and why it was always destined to flop. The idea is good, and is inevitable, but the current technology and, more importantly, accessibility of said current technology, just isn't there. It sucks that you bought into a service that just won't ever deliver on its promise, but it's not like it was hard to read the landscape, and figure out that things just didn't add up.2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Stadia is one of those things that does not really sound all that good on paper, and the reality is even less so.
Stadia is a system that would operate best on a LAN, where all elements are on the same LAN. Or maybe a Fiber Optic based MetroE network in the same city. Over the Internet with geographically diverse elements (players, service and servers)? Pffftt...
I wonder with what games Stadia would work well? Shooters? Action? Candy Crush?Edited by Nestor on December 11, 2019 1:58PMEnjoy the game, life is what you really want to be worried about.
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✭✭✭I'm not sure if Stadia will be a hit or a miss. It has only been out a month now. Years ago people were saying "ooo no I'm not moving my server to the clouds", and now everyone is doing it. I say give Stadia a chance.
We had an issue at work that caused our scheduling system to run very slow. I made a few changes to an SQL table and it fixed the problem. For months all I heard was "we need new servers" and "We need new computers", but that was never the problem.
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✭✭✭5G sounds amazing. It will have very low Latency.
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✭✭vamp_emily wrote: »5G sounds amazing. It will have very low Latency.
Its pretty much real time. Its amazing ^^0 -
Sgtmeg✭✭✭phaneub17_ESO wrote: »It's not a server performance issue, its a player experience issue. They would be severely handicapped to the point they would be constantly kicked from groups as their actions are completely unreliable, highly likely reported as bots for their erratic behavior when they lose control, and may have a severely negative playing experience when dealing with increased toxicity from others who don't understand their poor performance isn't something they have control over.
While I can certainly understand this being forgivable for random norms, ect, small things that don't need much participation from everybody I'd hardly call it toxic to remove them from trials or places where you gotta be able to function. Poor performance and connection isn't your group's fault either and it's completely fair of them to not deal with it.0 -
nafensoriel✭✭✭✭✭Sylvermynx wrote: »Thing is, even those with "potato" machines won't see much boost unless they also have absolutely the BEST 'net out there.
It's not.... a really wonderful "fix everything" option.
Gasp! You mean physics was right?
How was Stadia ever going to be a good idea for MMOs?
To be fair to stadia if you built an MMO around the concept it might actually make sense.
Consider TESO zones. If the zone loaded from stadia and other players connected directly to your client (almost in a p2p method) you might get individually faster zone loads while still having a connected world.
Still, there is that giant physics issue to deal with. Electrons only move so fast and it would probably end up performance neutral at best compared to a traditional MMO.
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To people who think more bandwidth matters... You could have exabyte internet. It doesn't change the fact that the latency introduced is the main problem of the platform. A bigger pipe doesn't change how long it is folks.Edited by nafensoriel on December 11, 2019 4:55PM1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Thing to understand about 5G, it is the last mile, not end to end. It all goes back to cell towers that are fed by the same internet pipes going across the same IP backbone as everyone else. And, the bandwidth is shared by all cellular customers that are on that cell site.
So the reality of 5G is limited by the underlying fiber infrastructure that currently is responsible for 90% of the network lag for most users.Edited by Nestor on December 12, 2019 1:50PMEnjoy the game, life is what you really want to be worried about.
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✭✭vamp_emily wrote: »5G sounds amazing. It will have very low Latency.
Unlike the OP's connection of "up to 1Gbps" you really can get speeds close to 500MBit right now, and the routing from T-Mobile and Verizon are both good from what I've seen. If you ask enough, you can also become a tester for 5G home internet in your area. Though ESO may not benefit.phaneub17_ESO wrote: »After having Stadia for nearly a month now, it's not fair for players on there to be on the same servers as PC players, or any existing server really. The service hasn't improved much at all since it launched. The way other multiplayer games act on there, you could easily mistake them for very faulty programmed bots as the connection and controls give out or over-compensate your actions at random. Playing Destiny 2 for example I find myself stopping mid fight, running aimlessly into walls, over shooting, or just spinning in place for 10 seconds before regaining control. Mind you my connection is 1000 Mbps up/down wired connected to the Chromecast Ultra and 600 Mbps wifi for the controller.
1. Wi-Fi increases latency, however this might be inconsequential overall. My Wi-Fi network never has more than 1-2ms more latency.
2. You have to remember that the speed is UP TO 1000 Mbps up/down and not always the case. Most fiber optic and cable lines are shared, meaning your "1Gbps" could be distributed among everyone in your neighborhood, including that guy with ten internet TVs streaming 8K video in his home next door
3. You have to remember that Stadia means that you essentially connect from your home to Stadia, and go through a large series of routes that have latency, then from Stadia to whatever host server there is - again a large series of steps that also have latency. This means that essentially you have twice the potential to experience bad latency. Why? Because Google themselves do not control or offer any direct connections to these servers (unless they are hosted in-house); they're just a middleman piggybacking on another ISP's infrastructure and are subject to that ISP's terms, max speed, de-prioritization, and QoS rules just like everyone else using the same paths.
If you want lower latency to the existing server, Stadia cannot offer that. What can is to setup a private server you control as a middleman and treat it as a personal VPN. You can even use an Amazon EC2 instances (usually great routing to and from Amazon or Microsoft cloud instances) as a personal VPN and probably reduce your latency considerably.
If your home PC has the compute power you could simply use your own PC, install the games there, and then use a 3rd party program to stream it, again -- have both the PC and "controller PC"/phone/whatever connected through an EC2 micro server to reduce latency (less than 10/month) and probably have a better experience. Stadia is only beneficial if you either don't know or otherwise cannot do that yourself.
Also doing such a service yourself and hosting it at a university for FREE may be possible.Edited by Kadoin on December 11, 2019 5:31PM0 -
wolfbone✭✭✭✭✭phaneub17_ESO wrote: »After having Stadia for nearly a month now, it's not fair for players on there to be on the same servers as PC players, or any existing server really. The service hasn't improved much at all since it launched. The way other multiplayer games act on there, you could easily mistake them for very faulty programmed bots as the connection and controls give out or over-compensate your actions at random. Playing Destiny 2 for example I find myself stopping mid fight, running aimlessly into walls, over shooting, or just spinning in place for 10 seconds before regaining control. Mind you my connection is 1000 Mbps up/down wired connected to the Chromecast Ultra and 600 Mbps wifi for the controller.
that's kinf of funny, from what I've ehard, I dont expect stadia to last long enough to even warrant a server of it's own.0 -
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✭phaneub17_ESO wrote: »After having Stadia for nearly a month now, it's not fair for players on there to be on the same servers as PC players, or any existing server really. The service hasn't improved much at all since it launched. The way other multiplayer games act on there, you could easily mistake them for very faulty programmed bots as the connection and controls give out or over-compensate your actions at random. Playing Destiny 2 for example I find myself stopping mid fight, running aimlessly into walls, over shooting, or just spinning in place for 10 seconds before regaining control. Mind you my connection is 1000 Mbps up/down wired connected to the Chromecast Ultra and 600 Mbps wifi for the controller.
Dude as some one who has stadia to game while traveling, it's not the server, it's the god awful system. A stadia only server would not be popular enough to even warrant opening one yet.IGN: Ki'rah
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✭✭✭✭✭I_am_Groot wrote: »So let me get this right....OP buys Stadia knowing ESO doesn't have servers for Stadia, after a month of playing, he calls out that its unfair to be on the same server as PC.
/facepalm
Pretty much since it August we knew ESO would not have Stadia specific servers.1
