I weary of there being no Motifs

Morgha_Kul · December 2019

There are lots of Motifs in the game now, and some are truly spectacular. However, I can't get them. Used to be, I could go search in night tables, desks and the like, and come up with a motif from time to time. No longer. Everything is locked behind the wall of veteran dungeons. MANY of us simply can't do veteran content, for one reason or another. This is especially so for CRAFTERS, the ones most likely to want/need the motifs.

I'd like to see this changed. I'd like to have a chance to get Motifs the way I used to, in desks, drawers, cabinets and so forth, by just playing the normal game.

cyclonus11 · December 2019

Pretty sure all of them are tradeable and can be found on the guild vendors, or am I mistaken?

wolfbone · December 2019

you do realize that some motifs are part of a dungeon, and the they drop in that dungeon., or you can buy them in the crown store or in guild stores if you dont want to farm for them?

SpacemanSpiff1 · December 2019

buy them from guild vendors if you dont want to farm them.

Zephard · December 2019

You do realize, that very few motifs are found in night stands, cabinets, etc.
Some are from Dailies.
One is from particular Dwemer containers (looking at you Dwemer)
Some are from dungeons.

All can be bought at the guild traders if someone is selling what they have gotten.

None are locked behind vet.

Now, vet gives more chance of drop than normal mode, is that right, I don't think so, but I feel that doing harder content should be it's own reward, let me not digress.

What is it 2 or 3 are locked behind crown store.

And then there are some that are locked to just events.

Some are locked behind DLC/Chapter purchase/access.

BTW: Main is a crafter. Only 15 motifs short of my Master Crafter achievement. Belong to a guild where quite a few Master Crafters farmed all their motifs not buying any, and hey are sitting well over the 50 needed. So being a Crafter, does not stop one from being able to farm for motifs. But being a good money person, does allow one to buy them a lot faster than you can farm most of them.

RefLiberty · December 2019

What do you meant that everything is locked behind the Veteran dungeon, since ti is no the case, and the standard motifs still drops from baskets and boxes.

Can you tell us the example of the motif, so we can check if the motif was ever available except the dungeon drop (or ofc the (snip) Crown Store).

What particular motif we are looking at that caught your eye?

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VaranisArano · December 2019

Motifs come from a a variety of sources. Elsweyr and Dragonhold included motifs that drop from their dailies, just like Summerset and Murkmire did.

I understand wanting to return to Morrowind, where you could get certain motifs from the Justice System, or even the base game, where you can occasionally pick up motifs from containers, but please don't exaggerate. Its not true that all motifs are locked behind trials or vet dungeons.

As always, motifs are a reward for doing certain types of content. Which type of content has varied in the past - Summerset even included fishing. If you don't want to do the content, you have to buy the motif from guild stores or the crown store. Or you can wait for the Anniversary event when all motif prices drop. That's what I did for anything I didn't want to grind for, like Welkynar with its RNG.

MattT1988 · December 2019

If you can’t do the vet dungeons then buy them from people who can. They are tradable.

Zulera301 · December 2019

I came here expecting this thread to be about outfit styles replacing motifs in a lot of cases. If that were so, I'd agree.

sure DLC dungeons suck, but with events or with gold, obtaining them is much easier. most of them look like trash anyways (yay, 340 pairs of pants. god forbid we show any leg), but my inner completionist is fortunately, very very patient.

Taleof2Cities · December 2019

cyclonus11 wrote: »

Pretty sure all of them are tradeable and can be found on the guild vendors, or am I mistaken?

Not mistaken ... except for the very small handful of crown exclusive motifs.

Is the OP confusing “I can’t get them” with “I don’t like farming dungeons OR paying the going rate at the guild stores” ... or am I mistaken?

Morgha_Kul · December 2019

A lot of the motifs of interest are only found in the vet dungeons, such as the new Fane motif. Most of those are almost impossible to find on guild vendors, and when you DO find them, they're absurdly expensive, making purchasing them essentially impossible too.

Of course, I could buy them from the crown store for fifty actual DOLLARS (which I expect was the whole point of this design), but I'm not spending that much actual money on anything in a game.

The last time I got something that wasn't a "normal" motif (ie. Breton, Dunmer, etc) was when I found an Imperial motif in a crate. I've had Dwemer pages drop from time to time... but that's about it. MOST of the newer motifs seem to drop only in the vet dungeons.

I could be wrong, I suppose. Maybe they have a billionth of a percent chance of appearing in loot or what have you. Who knows.

SydneyGrey · December 2019

You can get a nice motif (style pages for a complete outfit, that is) by doing six particular quests in Southern Elsweyr. It's totally free except that it'll take a day to do all the quests.
This one, the Topal Corsair outfit: https://eso.mmo-fashion.com/topal-corsair/

RefLiberty · December 2019

I knew it!

That was the reason why I asked to give us an example, and ofc you mentioned one of the 2 skimpy motifs available.

So the Fang one NEVER dropped from crates from the day it was introduced, this is the ZOS news from the day:

"The Fang Lair and Scalecaller Crafting Motifs are now available, and there are two ways to obtain them. You can either defeat the last boss in the Fang Lair and Scalecaller dungeons for a chance at the Motif pages (or a guaranteed chance from Veteran Hard Mode!), or purchase the full Motif directly from the Crown Store."

So it never dropped on open world.

Same goes for Mazzatun, those are skimpy motives that ZOS on purpose put them as hard to get cos of crown store.
Yep they are expensive in guild stores as you actually need to get them on Vet difficulty.

VaranisArano · December 2019

Morgha_Kul wrote: »

A lot of the motifs of interest are only found in the vet dungeons, such as the new Fane motif. Most of those are almost impossible to find on guild vendors, and when you DO find them, they're absurdly expensive, making purchasing them essentially impossible too.

Of course, I could buy them from the crown store for fifty actual DOLLARS (which I expect was the whole point of this design), but I'm not spending that much actual money on anything in a game.

The last time I got something that wasn't a "normal" motif (ie. Breton, Dunmer, etc) was when I found an Imperial motif in a crate. I've had Dwemer pages drop from time to time... but that's about it. MOST of the newer motifs seem to drop only in the vet dungeons.

I could be wrong, I suppose. Maybe they have a billionth of a percent chance of appearing in loot or what have you. Who knows.

One of the basic principles of ESO is that if you want ALL of the rewards, you have to do ALL of the content, or in the case of motifs, be willing to pay the folks who do all the content. There are a variety of motifs that drop from different content, including dailies, dungeons and trials.

IIRC, you like using roleplay oriented builds. Which is fine if that's what you like, but if that's what's preventing you from being able to run the dungeons/trials yourself to get the motifs you want, you might consider the impact your choice is having on your desire to also collect all the motifs. You will have to find a balance between how you want to play and your desire for motifs - ZOS isn't going to stop giving PVE end game players motif rewards just because you don't want to run that content or purchase the motif from others.

This year's motifs:
Cold snap Goblin - Frostvault dungeon
Meridian - Depths of Malatar dungeon
Anequina - Northern Elsweyr dailies
Pellitine - dragon hunt dailies
Sunspire - sunspire trial
Moongrave - Moongrave Fane dungeon
Stags of Zen - Maarselok dungeon
Dragonguard - dragonguard dailies

In other words, 4 motifs from 4 dungeons, 3 motifs from zone dailies, and 1 from a trial, all coming from new content released this year. Motofs reward players doing the new content. They are not freebies for crafters. If you aren't doing the new content, you can buy the motifs from people who are.

List of motifs with drop location: https://eso.mmo-fashion.com/motifs/

grannas211 · December 2019

Hey don’t worry. Nobody can reliably farm the new motif.

Morgha_Kul · December 2019

Ya, I could buy them... IF I had hundreds of thousands of gold for each piece.

MrGhosty · December 2019

I would like to see Zos look at adding a drop chance to learn a motif page from breaking a weapon of that type down as a means to supplement the already existing avenues of acquisition. Ideally it would be locked behind reaching master crafter or some other achievement tied to crafting progression.

I feel the OP though, it used to be really exciting to open a container and get one of the (then) rare purple motif books. I've taken the "if you want the stuff do the activity" route and some of the grinds can be a bit mind numbing. Most I am just completing for sake of completion but there are some really fun pieces out there that I would really like to get my hands on but they're still out of my reach. It would be nice if zos cycled older motifs into broader loot pools as that doesn't seem like it wouldn't impact the "value" of running newer content but give everyone more access. Who knows maybe someone getting an old trial or dungeon motif might motivate them to dig into content they might not have otherwise tried.

Until then however, the tried and true method of farm the gold to buy it still hold true and is likely the only real solution we'll get.

Mr_Walker · December 2019

wolfbone wrote: »

you do realize that some motifs are part of a dungeon, and the they drop in that dungeon.

That was the whole thrust of the OP.

MasterSpatula · December 2019

Pretty sure all the Dungeon motifs can drop on Normal dungeons, thought the drop rate is (insanely) low.

Me, I'm just fed up with low-drop-rate RNG rewards in general. It's a dubious concept that has been wildly overused in this game.

AndyMac · December 2019

A lot of DLC motifs dropped from the boxes during the anniversary event this year - hopefully they will next year too.

That’s what I’m waiting for - I can get groups for most DLCs ok - so I’ll just sell until the anniversary.

But then, I’m happy to wait too.

Mr_Walker · December 2019

Morgha_Kul wrote: »

Ya, I could buy them... IF I had hundreds of thousands of gold for each piece.

Don't buy them at that. Find a crown seller you trust, and voila.

doomette · December 2019

AndyMac wrote: »

A lot of DLC motifs dropped from the boxes during the anniversary event this year - hopefully they will next year too.

That’s what I’m waiting for - I can get groups for most DLCs ok - so I’ll just sell until the anniversary.

But then, I’m happy to wait too.

Yeah OP, patience for the Jubilee is well worth it. I went from a little over half my way to the motif master achievement for master crafter to surpassing it (and only needing to buy a few cheap, but stubborn, chapters).

VaranisArano · December 2019

Morgha_Kul wrote: »

Ya, I could buy them... IF I had hundreds of thousands of gold for each piece.

Yes, that's pretty much what my crafter does for any motif I don't want to farm. I'd rather accumulate gold via farming and selling motifs than grind certain content - I leave that to those who like grinding dungeons.

Mind you, I'm patient about it. I'll wait a year or so until the prices have dropped or I'll wait until the Anniversary Event when all prices drop and I have a decent chance of getting a page or two. That's how I finished off Welkynar and Pynadonean - I like fishing, but not that much

I could get motifs a lot quicker than that, but then I'd have to pay more.

Bottom line, motifs aren't freebies for crafters. They are rewards for doing different content. ZOS would prefer for us to get the motifs by playing the content ourself, but they'll settle for us grinding gold or buying crown gifts/crowns instead.

Raisin · December 2019

As many have said, there's also quite a few motifs you can get from dailies for example.
Moongrave Fane was just released, of course it's expensive.

With most motifs, chest and some popular pieces can get expensive while everything else goes for super cheap. In the end, that's how those motifs are available to you with your playstyle: You buy them with gold.
It would be nice to have some motifs available by other means, but taking the rewards away from other content such as vet dungeons is not the answer. It's nice when they put unique style pieces behind quests, like the sickles in Elsweyr for example.

Anotherone773 · December 2019

Morgha_Kul wrote: »

There are lots of Motifs in the game now, and some are truly spectacular. However, I can't get them. Used to be, I could go search in night tables, desks and the like, and come up with a motif from time to time. No longer. Everything is locked behind the wall of veteran dungeons. MANY of us simply can't do veteran content, for one reason or another. This is especially so for CRAFTERS, the ones most likely to want/need the motifs.

I'd like to see this changed. I'd like to have a chance to get Motifs the way I used to, in desks, drawers, cabinets and so forth, by just playing the normal game.

Every dungeon DLC since shadows of hist in 2016 has had 2 motif styles that are exclusive to their dungeons. Every other motif is obtainable other ways. Also all styles are obtainable during the anniversary event in about 5 months. All you have to do is dailies out the wazoo. So get all your characters ready to farm dailies in spring. You can collect quite a few pieces of those hard to get styles.Then after the event you can get most styles for 1/4 to 3/4 their normal going rate for a few weeks.

kringled_1 · December 2019

I just went through on my crafter, and counted 76 motifs that drop in the game. Of those, I count about 18 that drop from more difficult content (11 from dlc dungeons, since stags of zen hasn't been released yet, 5 from trials, and one from an arena). Almost all of the rest is available from content that is fairly easy (delve dailies in a lot of chapter/DLC zones) or that can be tackled with large groups. As many others have pointed out, all are tradeable, so you can save up for the ones that are important to you; the jubilee definitely triggers a price drop for many. I would also point out that playing dungeons and trials is just as much 'the normal game' as overland content, even if the OP does not wish to do group content.

r34lian · December 2019

Can I say that majority of shoulder motifs clips through specially light Dragonguard chest motif?

HappyLittleTree · December 2019

I want everything but I don't want to do anything for them.

Basically this thread

eklhaftb16_ESO · December 2019

wolfbone wrote: »

you do realize that some motifs are part of a dungeon, and the they drop in that dungeon., or you can buy them in the crown store or in guild stores if you dont want to farm for them?

But why should that preclude those motifs from being randomly found in someone's desk or nightstand? Stuff like that happens all the time. For example, I own a 1899 commemorative platter for the anniversary of battle at Fredericia, even though I've been born over half a century too late to buy it, and I've never been nowhere near Denmark. And yet, here it is, hanging above my desk, ready to be looted.

There should be a little unpredictability in the loot. Just a little bit. Everything should potentially drop from everywhere, just with an extremely small chance. It adds excitement.

Asardes · December 2019

The only motifs that drop in containers are:
Alliance styles blue books - frequent drop ~100-200 gold in guild traders
Barbaric/Daedric/Ancient Elf/Primal purple books - common drop ~1K gold in guild traders
Dwemer style pages - rare drop from dwemer containers (jugs, urns) - rare drop ~3-5K gold in guild traders
Ra Gada style pages - rare drop from locked chests found in Craglorn
Psijic style pages - from geysers in Summerset
Imperial style gold book - very rare drop ~75K in guild traders

The others drop either from doing daily quests or from the last boss in veteran dungeons or trials. Sometimes you can find the former in Psijic portals in the respective zone.

If they just made them drop everywhere they will destroy their value. They are already giving them almost for free during the Jubilee event in April/May and also some DLC anniversary events give double reward for dailies, so those motif drop will be doubled for a couple of weeks. By the end of the Jubilee my bank was bursting with motif pages, and some have still not recovered in price 7 months later because there's still a glut.

redlink1979 · December 2019

Bad rng, sorry.
Regading open world: I still get some motif pages from containers but i always check EVERY single container that's in my path: it's VERY time consuming but it can be VERY rewarding.
Motifs locked by veteran content are only these:

Coldsnap, Meridian, Sunspire, Honor Guard, Silver Dawn, Huntsman, Welkynar, Scallecaller, Fang Lair, Dreadhorn, Bloodforge, Mazzatun, Dro-m'Athra

13 out of the existing 79 (3 of those 79 are CS exclusives and players don't really need them - they aren't account to increase the chance of grating master writs as rewards from delivering daily writs).

The player's other option is traders - most of the mentioned above have been around long enough for their price no to be super high excepting the Welkynar.