If you are still playing this game, are you excited...or afraid

GhostofDatthaw · December 2019

i quit playing earlier this year, and then i see this......https://www.zenimaxonline.com/careers

idk what to think about this.....sooooooooooooooooooo many jobs

I know this has been posted in other threads, but I think it is important enough to get its own thread.

GhostofDatthaw · December 2019

And these are not mid level jobs..... Some of them are leads...... Big leads

MajBludd · December 2019

Yeah, that can be seen as the glass half full or empty.

Did people say screw this and leave or did people get fired?
If they left on their own accord, why did they leave?

Asardes · December 2019

If they're hiring they're far from giving up on the game, and let it "die" as many are imagining for years on this forum.

Nairinhe · December 2019

They are mostly for some new game, AFAIK

Nemesis7884 · December 2019

I am afraid to be excited....and that excites me

Ohtimbar · December 2019

They’re hiring for multiple games, hence the glut of openings. It’s a normal part of the business, thus I have no feelings about it.

VaranisArano · December 2019

ESO seems to have a pattern down for new content: one year-long theme, 4 tangentially related dungeons, a Chapter, and a story DLC. Their major need is to address performance, not shake up the development cycle.

As for ZOS' new game, I'm adopting a "wait and see" approach. If it looks like it's going to be adopting the same monetization/grinding approach as ESO, I may not bother.

GhostofDatthaw · December 2019

Ohtimbar wrote: »

They’re hiring for multiple games, hence the glut of openings. It’s a normal part of the business, thus I have no feelings about it.

I get this point of view, but let's also think of it this way. If eso did not lose alot of devs, then why state "for eso and other projects" they say other projects like its a side note. If they were developing new games and wanted devs they would just say "devs needed for new game" and then have like "costume artist" listed for eso job.

Granted none of us know the inner workings of how they operate but I think to say "they are hiring for other projects" and leave it at that is a little...well I'll just say don't be am ostrish

GhostofDatthaw · December 2019

And also you could think of it this way, no one at zos is gone, they are looking for other leads to help tag team major issues before moving on to the other project, kinda like a test run to see what they can do? This is best case lol but still to say just "normal business move" and leave it at that is not the point of this thread

tgrippa · December 2019

ZOS is making a new MMO, I doubt any of the new hires are additional resources for ESO.

If they were going to assign resources from their new IP to ESO, it would only be if the resource had completed their tasks already and had spare capacity, and in that scenario the studio would simply give them further work on the new IP.

ESO will unfortunately have to make do with the already scaled down lean resources that it has. Don’t expect anything different to what ZOS has shown us over the past few years.

GhostofDatthaw · December 2019

tgrippa wrote: »

ZOS is making a new MMO, I doubt any of the new hires are additional resources for ESO.

Again then why state it exactly like this "Hiring for ESO and other projects

If there was not a significant amount of eso spots open then why even state it, why not just say "hiring for new game"

Jesus it gets annoying saying the same thing.

and FYI this is the regular employment page.. https://jobs.zenimax.com/jobs .. shows many more positions open, so to say those are just all the opening at zos atm for other games is a laugh

JumpmanLane · December 2019

Anybody got any idea what the new mmo will be. Can’t be fallout. Lol. I hate mmos and only play this because it’s ES. I’d have played 76 if it was more like this and not ...well... what it is hehehehe

LukosCreyden · December 2019

ZoS are developing a new project. Chances are, staff working on ESO will ALSO work on this new project. As in, they will do both. So, in order to continue using proven workers, they will also hire new people, to assist with this new project and ALSO with ESO.
I don't know if they are making separate teams for these games but if they are, it would also make sense to move some people over and hire new people to cover for them.

tgrippa · December 2019

GhostofDatthaw wrote: »

tgrippa wrote: »

ZOS is making a new MMO, I doubt any of the new hires are additional resources for ESO.

Again then why state it exactly like this "Hiring for ESO and other projects

If there was not a significant amount of eso spots open then why even state it, why not just say "hiring for new game"

Jesus it gets annoying saying the same thing.

and FYI this is the regular employment page.. https://jobs.zenimax.com/jobs .. shows many more positions open, so to say those are just all the opening at zos atm for other games is a laugh

Maybe someone quit and is being replaced.

Also it is not uncommon for software studios to hire for pieces of work and then end their contract with the resource once the piece has been completed. It is entirely possible someone is being hired for 6 months to work on something and their contract will not be renewed once said work is complete.

Don’t take everything at face value. ZOS’ workforce is very fluid and is likely to fluctuate throughout the year depending on the tasks they have in their workflow. New hires happen all the time and generally is not indicative of additional resources and new investment.

If they are permanently increasing the size of their team, I will be incredibly happy and will expect much-needed improvements and fixes. But going by their previous record, which is the only evidence we have, the chance of that happening is incredibly slim, sadly.

Ohtimbar · December 2019

GhostofDatthaw wrote: »

Ohtimbar wrote: »

They’re hiring for multiple games, hence the glut of openings. It’s a normal part of the business, thus I have no feelings about it.

I get this point of view, but let's also think of it this way. If eso did not lose alot of devs, then why state "for eso and other projects" they say other projects like its a side note. If they were developing new games and wanted devs they would just say "devs needed for new game" and then have like "costume artist" listed for eso job.

Granted none of us know the inner workings of how they operate but I think to say "they are hiring for other projects" and leave it at that is a little...well I'll just say don't be am ostrish

The overwhelming majority of availabilities are for “our next AAA game”. They’re new positions, not cover for sudden vacancies. I’m sure some people have left, they always do, everywhere. Churn is normal in AAA game dev. Honestly, it’s the new normal almost everywhere. A large portion is contract based, and the roster of contract workers changes with the winds.

As for the eso and other projects bit, it’s just a simple statement of fact, nothing more.

GhostofDatthaw · December 2019

tgrippa wrote: »

GhostofDatthaw wrote: »

tgrippa wrote: »

ZOS is making a new MMO, I doubt any of the new hires are additional resources for ESO.

Again then why state it exactly like this "Hiring for ESO and other projects

If there was not a significant amount of eso spots open then why even state it, why not just say "hiring for new game"

Jesus it gets annoying saying the same thing.

and FYI this is the regular employment page.. https://jobs.zenimax.com/jobs .. shows many more positions open, so to say those are just all the opening at zos atm for other games is a laugh

Maybe someone quit and is being replaced.

Also it is not uncommon for software studios to hire for pieces of work and then end their contract with the resource once the piece has been completed. It is entirely possible someone is being hired for 6 months to work on something and their contract will not be renewed once said work is complete.

Don’t take everything at face value. ZOS workforce is very fluid and is likely to fluctuate throughout the year depending on the tasks they have in their workflow. New hires happen all the time and generally is not indicative of additional resources and new investment.

Still though, is a big shift in people and resources good for a game with so many problems? Maybe they are bringing in people to fix them?... Maybe they are not and leaving the next team with a big mess? Maybe they are abandoning eso like some people even think.

A big shift in personel doesn't seem good to me. And again I can't get over the fact that they felt the need to include "eso and other projects" with such a big list of important positions. Like if they did not need a lead gameplay, server, and the couple others for eso why not isolate that and say hiring these for a new game.

tgrippa · December 2019

GhostofDatthaw wrote: »

tgrippa wrote: »

GhostofDatthaw wrote: »

tgrippa wrote: »

ZOS is making a new MMO, I doubt any of the new hires are additional resources for ESO.

Again then why state it exactly like this "Hiring for ESO and other projects

If there was not a significant amount of eso spots open then why even state it, why not just say "hiring for new game"

Jesus it gets annoying saying the same thing.

and FYI this is the regular employment page.. https://jobs.zenimax.com/jobs .. shows many more positions open, so to say those are just all the opening at zos atm for other games is a laugh

Maybe someone quit and is being replaced.

Also it is not uncommon for software studios to hire for pieces of work and then end their contract with the resource once the piece has been completed. It is entirely possible someone is being hired for 6 months to work on something and their contract will not be renewed once said work is complete.

Don’t take everything at face value. ZOS workforce is very fluid and is likely to fluctuate throughout the year depending on the tasks they have in their workflow. New hires happen all the time and generally is not indicative of additional resources and new investment.

Still though, is a big shift in people and resources good for a game with so many problems? Maybe they are bringing in people to fix them?... Maybe they are not and leaving the next team with a big mess? Maybe they are abandoning eso like some people even think.

A big shift in personel doesn't seem good to me. And again I can't get over the fact that they felt the need to include "eso and other projects" with such a big list of important positions. Like if they did not need a lead gameplay, server, and the couple others for eso why not isolate that and say hiring these for a new game.

With project management in software development it is very much the norm and designed to work successfully. People now generally have limited time contracts when they are hired in the industry. I do not think it is a good thing but it saves the studio money and in theory should not have an impact on the game.

IMO, ZOS needs to invest more in quality control, i.e. testing and bug fixes, and needs this resource to be permanent. With that, our experience will improve, at the moment it’s like playing a game that is still partially in beta phase.

Mitrenga · December 2019

I hope Zenimax appoints the ESO PC EU server team with the handling of the server operations of the new game. Their amazing work should be rewarded and a new crew should take over the PC EU server operations, as promoting a new game is very important and an experienced server team would contribute better.

cyclonus11 · December 2019

Asardes · December 2019

From my experience big companies generally shift people around, depending on work load on different projects. So even if they have a whole new game coming up, there will be enough resources for older projects that need work from time to time.

technohic · December 2019

I think those are for a new game. Either way; doesn't phase me. What phases me is bad performance and excessive calls for nerfs after so many things have already been nerfed.

Next patch is make or break for the game. More poor performance and less fun that we have seen lately and there just isnt much reason to continue. Barely is now.

BlueRaven · December 2019

I am worried.

Beyond basic technical issues they can’t seem to fix, basic game functions like combat seems to be a part time job for the people in charge of it. We wait months for an update and the actual meaningful changes that are presented feel rushed, not well thought out, and small, like they were imagined on that mornings commute.

Veinblood1965 · December 2019

Maybe they were sacked and replaced with llamas?

Tandor · December 2019

GhostofDatthaw wrote: »

tgrippa wrote: »

ZOS is making a new MMO, I doubt any of the new hires are additional resources for ESO.

Again then why state it exactly like this "Hiring for ESO and other projects

If there was not a significant amount of eso spots open then why even state it, why not just say "hiring for new game"

Jesus it gets annoying saying the same thing.

and FYI this is the regular employment page.. https://jobs.zenimax.com/jobs .. shows many more positions open, so to say those are just all the opening at zos atm for other games is a laugh

Yes, and it gets annoying seeing the same pointless discussion being launched in a duplicate thread. As you say, the hirings are for ESO and other projects, so why would anyone get either excited or afraid?

scorpius2k1 · December 2019

- Optimist -
More people are needed so they are expanding their existing team to support the growth to improve things, this is good news!

- Pessimist -
So many people quit due to neglect and incompetence, the game is in danger and they need more people to replace them before it dies.

- Realist -
The company is growing and has several projects.

I'm a mix of all 3 of those at this point

ThePedge · December 2019

Depends, if the next patch is a NB identity patch to pull us from the depths, then im excited. Look how overturned Warden and Templar are now.

Afraid, if we get nothing.

Endgame is dead and PvP dying quickly. Cancelled sub for now, just won't do my crafting writs.

Curious_Death · December 2019

After few vSS i think that game is gonna die coz of nerfs ... too easy to get cap... too hard for casuals... i have 12 heroes and all maxed + all classes in both stam/mag!

I can do everything (*** vMA poison... show me zos how u doing it!-it's pure luck based) but casuals ... can't.
And 12 man trial cannot be carried solo... so that's why nerfs making game unplayable.

When ppl leave pve... they try pvp! and there nerfs + bugs+lags making them leave tamriel.
I have alot of friends that left game and log in every 2-7 days to check whats happening and that's all - some of them join only weekend PVP campaign...

Idk why ZOS release new content... when old content is still not fixed... however lowering number of eso+ members maybe open their eyes.

I 've got all dlc now for gold... cancelled eso+ and wont pay 1$ untill vMA get good, PVP get good, and servers get good.

GhostofDatthaw · December 2019

Tandor wrote: »

GhostofDatthaw wrote: »

tgrippa wrote: »

ZOS is making a new MMO, I doubt any of the new hires are additional resources for ESO.

Again then why state it exactly like this "Hiring for ESO and other projects

If there was not a significant amount of eso spots open then why even state it, why not just say "hiring for new game"

Jesus it gets annoying saying the same thing.

and FYI this is the regular employment page.. https://jobs.zenimax.com/jobs .. shows many more positions open, so to say those are just all the opening at zos atm for other games is a laugh

Yes, and it gets annoying seeing the same pointless discussion being launched in a duplicate thread. As you say, the hirings are for ESO and other projects, so why would anyone get either excited or afraid?

About as pointless as you saying "I'm indifferent" on a thread about opinions?

Kiralyn2000 · December 2019

Ohtimbar wrote: »

They’re hiring for multiple games, hence the glut of openings. It’s a normal part of the business, thus I have no feelings about it.

This.

Also, big companies with huge teams? There's always someone coming or going.

Getting overdramatic (whether 'excited' or 'afraid') about games seems like a waste of energy to me.

scorpius2k1 wrote: »

Is the glass half full, half empty, or twice as big as it needs to be?

vamp_emily · December 2019

As dramatic as ESO players get, I'm shocked I'm not seeing players druel over.

ZeniMax Online Studios is looking for a Lead Server Engineer for The Elder Scrolls Online to lead server development for a team of engineers. This position will also work closely with game designers to implement and iterate on game features.

As for me, I don't get ESO excited any more.