Kadoin wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

The answer is to LITERALLY nerf healing. The reason heals were buffed was because dots were also buffed. Now dots are WORSE than what it was before the buff. So the only logical answer is to nerf healing by at least %20-30.

Remember to say "HoTs" and not healing.

It won't matter anyway when HoTs will continue to be overtuned even after nerfs as long as you get more in than damage in, and thanks to a certain staff and DW combination that is possible on every build in the game and will continue to do so.

There's so many ways to either reduce, negate, or absorb damage and heal that a flat nerf will do nothing but nerf some specs, leave others untouched, make balance worse and then we'll see more crying in the forums when said specs all run to full damage builds.

True. Burst healing seems to be ok, and defile counters it pretty well

visionality wrote: »

Much easier solution: connect tankyness to movement speed. The tankier a character becomes, the slower he moves. ALWAYS. While walking, while running, while mistforming around a rock. Make it DECIDEDLY slower, not just 1%.
(I would be willing to overlook riding, though.)

As soon as tankyness has a real price, ppl will start thinking whether they prefer being hard to kill to being hard to catch and builds will start normalizing.

I somewhat agree but think that’d punish medium builds. Melee need to be a bit faster to land attacks.

Try a magplar with speed keeping ritual up. It’s hilarious what results you can get mix and matching traditional class gear on different classes.

If there’s inherent speed to gear it should be med > light > heavy.

akdave0 wrote: »

Maybe create a character class that is killing you. The saying goes, "if you can beat em', join em." This day and age it seems, if you cant beat em, cry rather than get better or adapt.

Somewhat true, but there are imbalances. The people who don’t see it are those who play the most powerful classes are think they’re a hell of a lot better players then they are.

Most sorcs are a good example of this, never played another class and have no clue what they’re talking about.

If you want to ‘git gud’ the best thing you can do for yourself is play a magblade for a while. You’ll have to learn how to light attack weave to be anything but hopeless.

Then switch to another class that’s doing well like templar, DK, sorc, etc... and you’ll absolutely rock people.

That’s what I did and it works well. Next time you die check out your death log and you’ll see how few pvpers even light attack weave. I mean, these are also people who think they’re good. It’s pretty ridiculous.

Expert wrote: »

Since everyone falls back on TLDR, or OP died by this or that. or a nerf this thread.

Lets see your constructive criticism

Want specifics? Okay, healing power has increased a lot lately. Defile options has been nerfed a lot in the past, and now we have a gap of immortality when it comes to trying to outplay the strong healing power it has. Maybe templars... maybe you'll just get offended. Tanks happen to live through because of strong healing power, it's easier to stack resistances than it is to stack penetration. Change my mind.

Cheers

I think a lot of the behaviors you're explaining revolve around Onslaught.
Onslaught ignores all resistance and penetration at the same time entirely.
The options to counter/mitigate this; maim, damage reduction effects, healing, blocking, or out DPS.
No one was interested in the out DPS route last patch, but that doesn't mean DOTs didn't actually need to be adjusted.
Crucially though, against your average player you won't survive a full all out flurry of attacks following an onslaught without healing.

I think the issue might just boil down to how self healing is managed vs. target healing vs. target or self healing effects.
Right now it's incredibly easy to have excellent DPS and slot 1 healing ability and actually get better output than your avg. healer because of how spell damage and max magicka effect healing.
The real issue becomes when your HPS is higher than your opponents DPS, and your DPS is higher than your opponents HPS because at that point there's really no point in fighting the decision is already made.

Notice the new foods with health recovery but oh wait...not for stam characters.
In the PvE world you get kicked from dungeons if you cue a vet dungeon for healing not as a Templar just an FYI.
It's very unusual to see consistent and predominate mindsets like this when there isn't actually some truth to it.
With consistent nerfs to damage eventually at some point avg. HPS > avg. DPS.

I think resistance values are actually correct, the stat density difference can be attributed to minimum stat numbers.
You can't actually get your damage tool tip to 0, therefore; resistance must be padded to account for the base stats which is why there's a stat density difference.
I haven't looked at critical resistance specifically but I'd rather see critical penetration before changes to crit resistance.
There's a hard counter to stacking resistance though and it completely invalidates an entire function of combat.
Also I think part of the resistance stackings is people burnt out and not wanting to change their builds again.

I've tried to look objectively for other causes but every route seems to come back to Templars & healing to be fair.
They need to close the gap between DOTs and Healing, but for the most part avg. DPS should probably exceed avg. HPS because the alternative doesn't sustain a competitive environment.
Honestly the only reason I never bothered making a Templar was because I thought they'd be adjusted by this point.

What if instead of a nerf across the board there was a battle spirit update? The update would lower defenses over a certain threshold like a hard cap just for PvP outside of PvE. Then nerfing HoTs per skill bases because some classes really crutch on them and some don't need them as much.