Unfortunately stuff like this has always been a part of pvp. Players who can’t hack it at 50 roll alts to pick on new players.

I don’t think there’s a way to stop it, just don’t do it yourself.

Some players only make new characters and once they get to 50 they delete them and start over.

Jierdanit wrote: »

CynicK wrote: »

Use overland sets I managed to get two for my characters or one or two overland from chests and psijic portals and sometimes one from the rewards for pvp they were not always at my level but I did not do bad in battlegrounds 5th piece bonuses where not great but was better than nothing, with some characters I used the coward's set and capture the relic and chaosball where great fun.
Well if you play in pc eu I can craft you something to even the field I am leveling a char from time to time and it is true that battlegrounds are full of people with at least bought skill lines and I also guess for their damage and resistance crafted sets.

How do you know that they have bought Skill lines? Since from what I know no one really does that.

Yes, people buy skill lines. Don't expect it to stop either as it puts more money in ZOS pockets.

Personally, never deleted a character once I have made one but talked to quite a few people who do only for under 50 BG's. Never delete sets used just recycle them.

A guildie made me crafted purple sets for pvp, and oh boy, the difference is astounding in performance. ZOS should probably improve scaling for people with lower quality gear, and maybe even give them 2 5 set bonuses if they don't currently have them, keeping whatever bonuses they do have. For example, I'm currently running naga shaman as one of my 5 sets, but say I didn't have that 5 set, and only had 3 pieces? I think to better the newbie experience they default to giving you the set bonuses for the pvp gear for your bonus pieces you don't have (in my example, filling in the 4 and 5 set bonuses, but you only get two of them for say, wizard's reposte impregnable armor) and while leveling, and make your gear at least blue/purp quality in terms of stats provided.

IDK what else they can do besides that though

Alomar wrote: »

After playing ESO lvl 50 pvp on and off since the first pvp beta test 9 months pre-launch; I can no longer stomach the lag, imbalance, and bugs. So a few guildies and I have spent the last 4 months only doing lvl 10-49 bg pvp. It's been a lot of fun, earned over 10m ap between 3 characters, and faced a lot of other premades that make matches competitive. The downside is the broken activity finder, which has led to us doing 1/100th of the amount of bg's in December as compared to other months. With the announcement of New World in April there won't be any reason left for pvpers to stick with ESO.

But in BGs over 50 there is no lag at all. I am pretty sure the reason they play under 50 is different

Alomar wrote: »

Bashev wrote: »

Alomar wrote: »

After playing ESO lvl 50 pvp on and off since the first pvp beta test 9 months pre-launch; I can no longer stomach the lag, imbalance, and bugs. So a few guildies and I have spent the last 4 months only doing lvl 10-49 bg pvp. It's been a lot of fun, earned over 10m ap between 3 characters, and faced a lot of other premades that make matches competitive. The downside is the broken activity finder, which has led to us doing 1/100th of the amount of bg's in December as compared to other months. With the announcement of New World in April there won't be any reason left for pvpers to stick with ESO.

But in BGs over 50 there is no lag at all. I am pretty sure the reason they play under 50 is different

Notice I said lvl 50 pvp, not lvl 50 bg's, reading comprehension is hard eh? There isn't a populated lvl 10-49 Cyrodiil alternative anymore due to the pvp community being so small.

@Alomar Sorry what?

Alomar wrote: »

[So a few guildies and I have spent the last 4 months only doing lvl 10-49 bg pvp.

How shall I understand this line of your comment?

Actually 3 types of players in <50 bgs--the third type are PVE and PVPers leveling new characters quickly and taking advantage of the xp and transmute stone bonuses.

I agree that there's no possible way to scale for the infinite variables. ESPECIALLY since the group finder can't even guarantee 4 players per team!

LinearParadox wrote: »

Alomar wrote: »

Nice opinion, quite an uninformed one at that.

Right, been playing since BETA, have 100s of hours in PvP alone, and carry games 9/10 times. Sure. "Uninformed".

Wanna explain how?
Wanna try to debate how a MagSorc pre-lvl 30 in Daedric Summoning is going to fair again one that's unlocked Ward? Or a Nightblade without cloak? How about a Stam char, any stam char... before unlocking Vigor vs after it.
What about someone using quest gear and random green-quality world drops vs someone that's spent resources to upgrade gear that they'll just out-level, just so they can beat up newbies?
How about someone with 300 hours in the game making alts vs someone on their first character stumbling into PvP without basic knowledge of how ability scaling works (because there's still nothing explaining that) vs someone with a proper understanding of it;
Someone with their stats scattered everywhere and no heal on their bar vs a PvP setup with focused scaling into either Stam or Mag.

There's no arguing this, and you know it. I imagine that's why you just left a snippy little remark rather than actually debating any of my points.
There are two types of people in <lvl50 PvP: Newbies, and experienced players that can't hack it in endgame and wanna be a big fish in a small pond by beating down the aforementioned newbies. Plain and simple.

Maybe you have hundreds of hours play time in PvP, was any of that time spent in lowbie PvP though? Because if it wasnt, its still perfectly ok to say you are uninformed, since i dont think he was refering to your overall knowledge of the game, but rather to your knowledge about PvP below lvl 50 (which is arguably quite different from other PvP).

So, yes it certainly is unbalanced if you have a player who just bought the game and got to lvl 10, who jumped into PvP as soon as he could, without any sets or proper skills, going up against someone who has been rerolling on lowbie for some time, has gear and has proper skills. On the other hand though, low level PvP is probably the most balanced you can get if u have similarly skilled players with similar gear lvls going up against one another.

The different power curves of different classes are of course relevant when it comes to a fight between to really low lvl newbies who dont have their chars farmed for low level pvp, but at this point you cant seriously suppose that that scenario is gonna happen that often, since by far the majority of low level players right now are rerollers, who mostly level their chars at least somewhat to be able to pvp properly.

In addition to the fact that its pretty unlikely that you really have to inexperienced players facing off against each other, you dont seem to know just how powerful the scaling below level 50 is, since actually a player who is experienced with below lvl 50 PvP would know that the scaling empowers a lower lvl char just so much more than higher lvl chars, which leads to lvl 10 characters arguably being stronger than chars on like lvl 45 on most occasions.

ChimpyChumpy wrote: »

People take pre 50 seriously? Aren't we all there for xp farming our new toons?

In a perfecr world yes, but some people premade lowbies to dominate.

Just don’t do that and I think things are okay. I feel guilty when I play lowby BGs, anyone with a lot of pvp experience probably feels the same. Just do your daily, or maybe a BG in between skyshard hunting and I don’t see anything wrong with it.

The devs can’t micromanage players too much. As stakeholders in the game I think people should take it upon themselves to give people a place to learn for the overall health of pvp in the game.

LinearParadox wrote: »

Alomar wrote: »

Nice opinion, quite an uninformed one at that.

Right, been playing since BETA, have 100s of hours in PvP alone, and carry games 9/10 times. Sure. "Uninformed".

Wanna explain how?
Wanna try to debate how a MagSorc pre-lvl 30 in Daedric Summoning is going to fair again one that's unlocked Ward? Or a Nightblade without cloak? How about a Stam char, any stam char... before unlocking Vigor vs after it.
What about someone using quest gear and random green-quality world drops vs someone that's spent resources to upgrade gear that they'll just out-level, just so they can beat up newbies?
How about someone with 300 hours in the game making alts vs someone on their first character stumbling into PvP without basic knowledge of how ability scaling works (because there's still nothing explaining that) vs someone with a proper understanding of it;
Someone with their stats scattered everywhere and no heal on their bar vs a PvP setup with focused scaling into either Stam or Mag.

There's no arguing this, and you know it. I imagine that's why you just left a snippy little remark rather than actually debating any of my points.
There are two types of people in <lvl50 PvP: Newbies, and experienced players that can't hack it in endgame and wanna be a big fish in a small pond by beating down the aforementioned newbies. Plain and simple.

If you feel the need to list pvp achievements then it's more than likely my use of the word uninformed was spot on. If you don’t know my name, then there’s no point listing mine as in this game alone they are 100x as long and impressive as yours. Refer to Jierdanat’s post to enlighten yourself. To add to that, lowbie bg pvp consists of just as many rerolls/twinks who prefer that style of pvp as it does newer players playing one game a day for their daily. Due to mmr, look into it mate, we play each other constantly. Within the past 4 months we’ve run into hundreds of players and dozens of similar premades; whether it be groups of 2-4. ESO pvp has always had an under 50 pvp community, just because you don’t understand something doesn’t make it epeen hate worthy.

Iskiab wrote: »

Qbiken wrote: »

Only thing I wish zos would do is to make it impossible to bring sub 50 characters to any PvP campaign other than Kyne or sub 50 Battlegrounds. I currently see so many players abusing the broken scaling mechanics making builds/setups that has better stats than a maxed out CP810 character. Either remove the scaling system completely in PvP or ban sub 50's from other places than Kyne or sub 50 BG's.

That’s hilarious, I didn’t know you could even do that.

The assault/support 10 passives are really powerful though, I don’t know how effective it would be.

The scaling is far more effective than the passives, so it certainly is a general advantage to have the low level scaling, the only downside is that you cant use all the gear you could use on a lvl 50 character, like for example monster sets.

Jierdanit wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

Qbiken wrote: »

Only thing I wish zos would do is to make it impossible to bring sub 50 characters to any PvP campaign other than Kyne or sub 50 Battlegrounds. I currently see so many players abusing the broken scaling mechanics making builds/setups that has better stats than a maxed out CP810 character. Either remove the scaling system completely in PvP or ban sub 50's from other places than Kyne or sub 50 BG's.

That’s hilarious, I didn’t know you could even do that.

The assault/support 10 passives are really powerful though, I don’t know how effective it would be.

The scaling is far more effective than the passives, so it certainly is a general advantage to have the low level scaling, the only downside is that you cant use all the gear you could use on a lvl 50 character, like for example monster sets.

Maybe for a DPS, but the support 10 passive is OP for healers.