Raisin wrote: »

Mate point No 6 is just gonna get you in trouble again. If you really want a proper discussion, etc. you need to cut that. You're just shooting yourself in the foot.

It's on it's way.

So much salt over having to adjust a play style. smh

The question is what's the solution? I agree with most of the points, but aside from fixing things that are just clearly broken, how would the game improve? They tried an 'overarching' story, but it was done poorly. How do they make certain play aspects less grindy? How do they write a good event that caters to their different player groups?
I definitely think that even for people who don't focus on questing or the like, a grand overarching story with actual impact done by players would be a dream. Most of us are still Elder Scrolls fans. I think one of the issues is that no matter what attachments people have, the lack of passion from ZOS' side is being reflected in the playerbase. It would be nice to have something people will actually get really excited about. Something where all types of players feel like they've contributed something to an event that happens in the game. Break the formula. A lot of people I believe are disappointed that nothing we do truly has a lasting effect on the game world. Obviously this seems like it's more quester-oriented, but in my opinion if this was coupled with a good piece of gameplay content, the atmosphere behind it would add to the enjoyment for endgame players as well.
Of course all of this rests on fixing the numerous messes they have going on. And it also rests on ZOS' finding an actual good balanced spot for combat that they can leave as is for just a bit (I'm all in favor of switching things up every once in a while, but as it is it just feels like a construction site that's never even been at a point of finished somehow).
But yeah. As cheesy as it all sounds, I really think at the core of this lies the need to make players feel engaged in the game again. Even those of us that are addicted aren't really playing from a point of passion anymore. TBH I think a lot of what I suggested rings of the way old-school MMOs felt... I appreciate ESO doing its own thing and don't want to change that, but we could use some of the feeling. It's a fantasy rpg. We want the grandeur. The MMO aspect should at least in some way make people feel like they are a part of something. Anyway, I think I'm just getting a bit dreamy here. In my head I just imagine this cool, long, on-going story where players have to complete all sorts of stuff (that has different difficulty levels/game styles) and it contributes to a big story line. Choices are made, not everything can be achieved, no one knows what's gonna happen. There's content that can't be repeated and learned and strangers have to accomplish things together. It's idealistic and unrealistic. But it shouldn't be. The point of an MMO should be that this kind of incredible experience can be made real. Why not, y'know? This is the point. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Obviously the main point here I that while we have our input as consumers, ideally ZOS should be employing experts that have better answers. People that know how to make a game engaging. But we can talk about it anyway.

And fix the fricking activity finder.

Points 1-6 are wrong.
It's supposed to say
OMG PAY TO WIN STUPID PLAYERS WAH WAH
OMG PAY TO WIN STUPID PLAYERS WAH WAH
OMG PAY TO WIN STUPID PLAYERS WAH WAH
OMG PAY TO WIN STUPID PLAYERS WAH WAH
OMG PAY TO WIN STUPID PLAYERS WAH WAH
OMG PAY TO WIN STUPID PLAYERS WAH WAH

Marolf wrote: »

Stratti wrote: »

TequilaFire wrote: »

So much salt over having to adjust a play style. smh

No don't misunderstand me, the play style has been adjusted it is more about the aggregate of all the problems turning this game downward. Now if it was WoW with seven million players then it would be ok, ESO has not got the player base to be acting this way and delivering this sort of malaise.

Last I read ESO had around 13 million players between consoles and PC.

Accounts played. 13 million accounts played.
That doesn't equal concurrent active players and doesn't take into account those players who have multiple accounts.

WoW for example, is still the biggest active MMO out there, and thier number is guessed at around 3 million. At thier height (in Wrath of the Lich King) they had about 11 million.

I see this 13 million number a lot. It doesn't mean ESO has 13 million players playing at once. Otherwise it would be hands down the most successful MMO in history, and you'd see other players/media hyping it as such, and not just on the forum, but from other franchises as well.

I'd put the active number of players between 1 million and 1 ¹/².
Again....active players, not just accounts created.

FFXIV and World of Warcraft have a bigger active playerbase than ESO. And those games have nowhere near 13 million players.

This list actually ranks them 3rd with around 500k active players, again, with WoW being 1 and FFXIV being 2.

https://bestreamer.com/gaming/most-played-mmorpg-2019/2/

Edit: This is just one of many lists that has ESO as the 3rd biggest MMO player-wise. This list here is an example. By all means, you can do your own research.

Just being realistic.

I thought the over-arching storyline this year was rather good & entertaining.

Not sure how you manage to do the dlc content so quickly - unless you are one of those who charge through any new content as fast as possible and then whinge about the lack of content.......