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How To: Fix Dungeon Finder
Indoril_Nerevar
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https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/502963/to-play-with-randoms-wasting-your-time#latest
There is a massively viral problem with Public Dungeons.
Very many players are complaining about their time being wasted.
This can be for a number of reasons, although most often times it is because other players are trolling, deliberately wasting your time or generally incompetent for the dungeon, making it complicated and boring for experienced and casual players. This is my suggestion:
DUNGEON TIMER
Each dungeon will have a specific, fair alotted amount of time to complete. Depending on your time completed, you can earn extra rewards.
Example:
40 Minutes would be "Bronze Rewards"
20 Minutes would be "Silver Rewards"
15 minutes would be "Gold Rewards"
PLAYER CARDS
This can be seen by activating the "wheel options", the same way when you attempt to trade players and such or by checking Group Roster in Menu.
On a Player Card, you can view their ratings and completions of other dungeons. You will see the name of the dungeons they have done, and by clicking over that dungeon name, you will view their ratings on that dungeon.
Ratings on the player card are based on Timer Completion, X Amount of Times Run, and Points Given from doing such.
Players will be given points, tallies, or stars to depict their rating.
Example:
A player wheels thru anothers Player Card. They see a list of dungeons they have done. They click on Fungal Grotto to view their rating
SAME LEVEL QUE
This is pretty straight forward and needs little explanation.
Simply allow players that are generally equivalent in Champion Points/Level to group together for Public Dungeon Finder. If we want to play with, guide or assist lower levels, than we will group up with them seperately from Group Finder.
DROP RATES
This is also very straight forward and easy to explain.
Simply allow us to choose the items we would like to obtain from the dungeons we do.
This can be done with crates, per Boss.
Each boss that has been killed in a dungeon will drop a "Loot Crate".
A player can search the Loot Crate and choose any 1 item with a random trait, from that dungeon - instead of relying on RNG for a gamemode that already gambles your time and interest due to these afore mentioned issues.
Now, try to imagine Dungeon Finder.
*You get a Ready Check for your dungeon que*
*You look at the players who are in the Ready Check and view the Player Cards*
*You see they are experienced with great ratings, and you know they are around your level*
*You join the dungeon and try to complete it under the alotted times to get better bonus rewards*
*If people start standing around or trolling you, you can leave instead of getting a bad rating*
*If and when players leave, the Timer still continues and the "Trolls" are left with bad ratings if they do not leave, as well. Players can no longer be kicked. Instead, you can leave*
*Lastly, every mini boss and final boss you defeat will drop a Loot Crate for you to choose a specific item to farm from the Dungeon*
Edited by Indoril_Nerevar on November 23, 2019 2:04PM There is a massively viral problem with Public Dungeons.
Very many players are complaining about their time being wasted.
This can be for a number of reasons, although most often times it is because other players are trolling, deliberately wasting your time or generally incompetent for the dungeon, making it complicated and boring for experienced and casual players. This is my suggestion:
(1) Put a Timer on Completing Dungeons. This MEANS you choose the Timer BEFORE you run the dungeon.
(2) Create a "Player Card" with points/ranks/tally (optional)
(3) Make Gear and Drops Selectable, NOT Random
(4) Rewards for Time Completed
(5) Dungeon Que Will Only Pair Up Players That Are Around The Same Level
@ZOS_JesC
(2) Create a "Player Card" with points/ranks/tally (optional)
(3) Make Gear and Drops Selectable, NOT Random
(4) Rewards for Time Completed
(5) Dungeon Que Will Only Pair Up Players That Are Around The Same Level
@ZOS_JesC
DUNGEON TIMER
Each dungeon will have a specific, fair alotted amount of time to complete. Depending on your time completed, you can earn extra rewards.
Example:
40 Minutes would be "Bronze Rewards"
20 Minutes would be "Silver Rewards"
15 minutes would be "Gold Rewards"
PLAYER CARDS
This can be seen by activating the "wheel options", the same way when you attempt to trade players and such or by checking Group Roster in Menu.
On a Player Card, you can view their ratings and completions of other dungeons. You will see the name of the dungeons they have done, and by clicking over that dungeon name, you will view their ratings on that dungeon.
Ratings on the player card are based on Timer Completion, X Amount of Times Run, and Points Given from doing such.
Players will be given points, tallies, or stars to depict their rating.
Example:
A player wheels thru anothers Player Card. They see a list of dungeons they have done. They click on Fungal Grotto to view their rating
Player Name
Fungal Grotto II
Gold Timer: 50☆
Silver Timer: 22☆
Bronze Timer: 0☆
Failed: 8
Times Run: 80
Left Group: 3
Fungal Grotto II
Gold Timer: 50☆
Silver Timer: 22☆
Bronze Timer: 0☆
Failed: 8
Times Run: 80
Left Group: 3
SAME LEVEL QUE
This is pretty straight forward and needs little explanation.
Simply allow players that are generally equivalent in Champion Points/Level to group together for Public Dungeon Finder. If we want to play with, guide or assist lower levels, than we will group up with them seperately from Group Finder.
DROP RATES
This is also very straight forward and easy to explain.
Simply allow us to choose the items we would like to obtain from the dungeons we do.
This can be done with crates, per Boss.
Each boss that has been killed in a dungeon will drop a "Loot Crate".
A player can search the Loot Crate and choose any 1 item with a random trait, from that dungeon - instead of relying on RNG for a gamemode that already gambles your time and interest due to these afore mentioned issues.
Now, try to imagine Dungeon Finder.
*You get a Ready Check for your dungeon que*
*You look at the players who are in the Ready Check and view the Player Cards*
*You see they are experienced with great ratings, and you know they are around your level*
*You join the dungeon and try to complete it under the alotted times to get better bonus rewards*
*If people start standing around or trolling you, you can leave instead of getting a bad rating*
*If and when players leave, the Timer still continues and the "Trolls" are left with bad ratings if they do not leave, as well. Players can no longer be kicked. Instead, you can leave*
*Lastly, every mini boss and final boss you defeat will drop a Loot Crate for you to choose a specific item to farm from the Dungeon*
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Alienoutlaw✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭group with friends/guildies
use an egg timer
pat each other on the back for a job well done
dungeons finder cleared of the elitist and fixed for everyone else4 -
Indoril_Nerevar✭✭✭Alienoutlaw wrote: »group with friends/guildies
use an egg timer
pat each other on the back for a job well done
dungeons finder cleared of the elitist and fixed for everyone else
If a pat on the back and a meaningless timer is what satisfies you for completing a dungeon, than I suppose leaving it as it is now is just fine for you, but fixing it to my suggestion would be better
Thank you for the bump!Edited by Indoril_Nerevar on November 23, 2019 1:34PM0 -
FierceSam✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭One thing that I hate more than anything is some tossy git running off ahead of me in a dungeon, obsessed by their own fantasticness killing everything and thinking that this is what being in a group is all about. Fun for them? Doubtful. Fun for me? Absolutely not.
This idea is among some of the least appealing ways of addressing this issue.8 -
Indoril_Nerevar✭✭✭One thing that I hate more than anything is some tossy git running off ahead of me in a dungeon, obsessed by their own fantasticness killing everything and thinking that this is what being in a group is all about. Fun for them? Doubtful. Fun for me? Absolutely not.
This idea is among some of the least appealing ways of addressing this issue.
Explain. Because evidently, it is a choice as the thread will show. You do not have to group up with Gold Tier Groups that run these quickly. You can view player cards to see the kind of players you are with or perhaps, want to group with
It also opens up a lot more friend and guild recruitment opportunity.Edited by Indoril_Nerevar on November 23, 2019 1:43PM0 -
Indoril_Nerevar✭✭✭This idea is bad.
Surpirsed you haven't added a reputation system to it though.
Thanks. I'm also not surprised you provided no details for your reason and acted out like that. . Besides, a Player Card is a reputation, by the way😎
I have good intentions. You're wasting your time trying to bug me Thank you for the bump! Edited by Indoril_Nerevar on November 23, 2019 1:45PM0 -
Nairinhe✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Dungeon Que Will Only Pair Up Players That Are Around The Same Level
So MMR, and we all know how nice and useful MMR is
Also abandoning dungeon because of one troll instead of kicking that troll? Wtf, honestly.3 -
Indoril_Nerevar✭✭✭Dungeon Que Will Only Pair Up Players That Are Around The Same Level
So MMR, and we all know how nice and useful MMR is
Also abandoning dungeon because of one troll instead of kicking that troll? Wtf, honestly.
When a player is kicked, it is against their will or choice. Anyone can leave, without a penalty. Trying to aim for little player inluence on the matter.
When players leave, with rewards like this? Its likely because the group was trolling them. Not vice versa because of the benefit.
Because the way we are grouped, is different. I understand where you are coming from. Just try reading it over and over. If you have ideas, just spill 'em Edited by Indoril_Nerevar on November 23, 2019 1:49PM0 -
Varana✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭I hate people rushing through dungeons.
You should be required to be in there for a certain minimum amount of time.
And bonus points should be given if
- you listen to all the dialogue
- you take a beautiful screenshot
- you perform at least three appropriate emotes.
Not really serious, but I really hate people rushing through dungeons.
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Alienoutlaw✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Indoril_Nerevar wrote: »Alienoutlaw wrote: »group with friends/guildies
use an egg timer
pat each other on the back for a job well done
dungeons finder cleared of the elitist and fixed for everyone else
If a pat on the back and a meaningless timer is what satisfies you for completing a dungeon, than I suppose leaving it as it is now is just fine for you, but fixing it to my suggestion would be better
Thank you for the bump!
but is that not what you just asked for? or did i leave off the ego stroke?
if this is the attitude you have when running random dungeons then i am not surprised there are many threads complaining about ppl running off or ppl being kicked by ppl like you
Terrible idea Awful attitude4 -
Indoril_Nerevar✭✭✭I hate people rushing through dungeons.
You should be required to be in there for a certain minimum amount of time.
And bonus points should be given if
- you listen to all the dialogue
- you take a beautiful screenshot
- you perform at least three appropriate emotes.
Not really serious, but I really hate people rushing through dungeons.
Hey!
Some decent ideas there 0 -
srfrogg23✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Ugh... no. The dungeon medal system in Wildstar turned their dungeons into a toxic trash heap. As soon as it became apparent that a gold rating was no longer achievable, people nerd-raged their vile nastiness all over the place and then quit in the middle of the dungeon. It was stupid.
The only thing that system does is make the tryhards more obnoxious than usual. It has no place in ESO.Edited by srfrogg23 on November 23, 2019 1:58PM9 -
srfrogg23✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Indoril_Nerevar wrote: »Ugh... no. The dungeon medal system in Wildstar turned their dungeons into a toxic trash heap. As soon as it became apparent that a gold rating was no longer achievable, people nerd-raged their vile nastiness all over the place and then quit in the middle of the dungeon. It was stupid.
The only thing that system does is make the tryhards more obnoxious than usual. It has no place in ESO.
You literally said nothing.
Explain "Nerd Raged their vile nastiness" 😅 for me, please.
And I would recommend you don't play with players who have those ratings, derp! Read the thread!😇
You think you've come up with a "new" or "unique" idea, but I can assure you that every single one of the suggestions that you have posted over the last several weeks would have exactly the opposite effect of what you are going for. Which is why you get so much push-back from other posters.
How do the rest of us know this? It's because we have seen them in action. The ideas that you're so dead set on pushing on the rest of us don't work. You're not a misunderstood genius. Trust me.7 -
karekiz✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭OP just ask for devs to remove Dungeon finder for Vet content. At least Vet DLC <since those are the ones that matter honestly>.Edited by karekiz on November 23, 2019 6:52PM0 -
WeerW3ir✭✭✭✭✭
✭Or just completly cut the dungeon finder. test the game if its running better without it. if yes. re add it with completly rewritten code. (no stackoverflow and such.) add back the spawn instantly into the dungeon once you accepted it.
and now the MAIN PART
separate the tool into.: veteran, mormal, basegame, all
make it possible to random a group into arenas, and trials.
and set the timer very low. so if a player is in a loading screen since long. make it autokick and search for new mate.0 -
idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Indoril_Nerevar wrote: »Alienoutlaw wrote: »group with friends/guildies
use an egg timer
pat each other on the back for a job well done
dungeons finder cleared of the elitist and fixed for everyone else
If a pat on the back and a meaningless timer is what satisfies you for completing a dungeon, than I suppose leaving it as it is now is just fine for you, but fixing it to my suggestion would be better
Thank you for the bump!
Your suggestion would lead to three things and none of them would be considered a fix..- Longer queue times while people scroll through their options.
- More toxicity concerning the GF because people will get upset because others are not going fast enough or to fast.
- Segregation of players
It is an ill thought idea. If someone wants a particular type of group, regardless of it being for going slow to listen to the story or for a speed run, they should form their own group.
It makes no sense to ask for a random group then complain because you got a random group. That is exactly what the OP in the thread Indoril linked did.2 -
kojou✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I am in general not a fan of this either...
I would prefer not to have group finder contain a epeen ruler or time based rewards.
I like the fact that it is a simple tool for helping people fill groups and I think it should stay that way. Sure you will occasionally get obnoxious trolls and such, but in my case that has been the exception not the rule.Playing since beta...0 -
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