Not a quitting thread [updated]

BooPerScOOper · November 2019

Zephard wrote: »

You get an Awesome

iiRenity · November 2019

As a healer, I could care less about your dps numbers, as long as you don't stand in the red. All I want for Christmas is for dps not to stand in the red.

Katahdin · November 2019

I fully understand where you're coming from.

The last nerfs to my DPS make me depressed and demoralized every night I play the game.

I worked so hard to improve my dps before the last nerfs and all of it is just gone, wiped out. But groups are still wanting 70K dps. Ill never get there because I am not a robot with microsecond precision timing.

Seriously contemplating unsubing and uninstalling because I'm just not enjoying it right now. I've started to hate it because the dps race is beginning to feel like a full time job. (And No, no one can have my stuff if I do. It will die with me)

You read that ZOS ? Ive been here and subbed since beta, spent more money on crowns than I care to admit and you're driving me out of the game. Is that what you really want? Yeah. You're really killing it.

richo262 · November 2019

At first I read this as somebody being critical on you for running a vet dungeon with 20k dps. I thought, that is a bit silly, 20k in a vet dungeon is fine. Monster sets drop there, you're going to have to run them for those, it is a bit rough to have a go at somebody for not hitting uber digits for a vet dungeon.

Then I re-read it and you said vet trials at the beginning.

Yeh, I'm going to be honest with you here. You are choosing to do the hardest content, on the hardest difficulty, and then complaining the game isn't open to all players. The purpose of the game having difficulty settings is so the players that want to push the most that is humanly possible don't get bored.

Unless you are chasing perfected gear, you have no benefit in running veteran trials over normal trials. There are no special monster sets on veteran.

20k DPS is impressive with your condition, and more than adequate for vet dungeons (some DLC dungeons may be difficult), 20k DPS is fine for all normal trials. 20k DPS is acceptable on Vet Crag Trials. 20k DPS is a carry on DLC Vet Trials.

You have paid for content, you have not paid for the right to succeed in all content in the game, I'm yet to do vHOF or vAS or vCR+3. There are trial groups out there that run progression runs where they don't intend to succeed but get as far as they can. The vet DLC trials can be an absolute nightmare to get through, requiring a well oiled team, full knowledge of mechanics, discord, right sets, loadouts. Some of the Vet Trials are not something anybody, fully abled of otherwise can simply pick up and wing it in a pug group scrounged together in Craglorn. They are intentionally built for the end gamers that take trials seriously. Why? Because there is a committed player base that dedicate a great deal of time to it, crunch the numbers, and slog it out repeatedly, failing often to try to beat that. If that was nerfed, these guys would simply beat it and move on. ZOS has placed their difficulty settings quite well it catering as many groups as possible.

Normal - Pug groups, item farming, hard enough to not be boring, easy enough to carry a few new players without consequence. Discord, full group co-ordination not entirely required.
Vet - No pugs (crags can be pugged with a high success rate), form a group, use discord, co-ordinate, train for it, beat it.
Vet HM - For people that enjoy inflicting pain on themselves.

tmbrinks · November 2019

Katahdin wrote: »

I fully understand where you're coming from.

The last nerfs to my DPS make me depressed and demoralized every night I play the game.

I worked so hard to improve my dps before the last nerfs and all of it is just gone, wiped out. But groups are still wanting 70K dps. Ill never get there because I am not a robot with microsecond precision timing.

Seriously contemplating unsubing and uninstalling because I'm just not enjoying it right now. I've started to hate it because the dps race is beginning to feel like a full time job. (And No, no one can have my stuff if I do. It will die with me)

You read that ZOS ? Ive been here and subbed since beta, spent more money on crowns than I care to admit and you're driving me out of the game. Is that what you really want? Yeah. You're really killing it.

If the game is making you "depressed and demoralized", please go play something else.

You can be upset about changes, but when it becomes depression, you gotta make a change.

(and if you were using those words only as emphasis, or exaggeration, then that's not cool either)

Zephard · November 2019

richo262 wrote: »

Unless you are chasing perfected gear, you have no benefit in running veteran trials over normal trials.

Uh, that is a reason. You stated it right there.

richo262 wrote: »

You have paid for content, you have not paid for the right to succeed in all content in the game

I agree with you.

richo262 wrote: »

There are trial groups out there that run progression runs where they don't intend to succeed but get as far as they can. The vet DLC trials can be an absolute nightmare to get through, requiring a well oiled team, full knowledge of mechanics, discord, right sets, loadouts. Some of the Vet Trials are not something anybody, fully abled of otherwise can simply pick up and wing it in a pug group scrounged together in Craglorn. They are intentionally built for the end gamers that take trials seriously. Why? Because there is a committed player base that dedicate a great deal of time to it, crunch the numbers, and slog it out repeatedly, failing often to try to beat that. If that was nerfed, these guys would simply beat it and move on. ZOS has placed their difficulty settings quite well it catering as many groups as possible.

Normal - Pug groups, item farming, hard enough to not be boring, easy enough to carry a few new players without consequence. Discord, full group co-ordination not entirely required.
Vet - No pugs (crags can be pugged with a high success rate), form a group, use discord, co-ordinate, train for it, beat it.
Vet HM - For people that enjoy inflicting pain on themselves.

This section is just awesome, really. Well written. And greatly suggested in this thread. Which was "get with a like minded guild that would make groups that could do this content".

Oreyn_Bearclaw · November 2019

First, all the sympathy in the world for your disability. That said, this post boils down to an Anti-Animation Canceling thread, which is the deadest horse you can possibly beat on these forums. This game has 3 difficulty levels for almost every piece of content for a reason. We can't balance the highest level of difficulty around people the physically struggle to play the game, or the end game raiding community would disappear. I hope you stick around, I hope you find a like minded group of friends to play at your level, and most importantly, I hope you continue to have fun with ESO.

Morgha_Kul · November 2019

I'm of the opinion that if you can't do content with a PUG, then it's too hard/poorly made. A specialized group should HELP, but not be REQUIRED.

Of course, that's just my opinion, but it's based on the idea that you want to make the game's content available to as many players as possible.

tmbrinks · November 2019

Morgha_Kul wrote: »

I'm of the opinion that if you can't do content with a PUG, then it's too hard/poorly made. A specialized group should HELP, but not be REQUIRED.

Of course, that's just my opinion, but it's based on the idea that you want to make the game's content available to as many players as possible.

all content is available to all players.

there are some *levels* of content that are not.

Unless you're saying that nSS (for example) is inaccessible to some people.

Most single player games have difficulty modes that you can adjust to your liking. To fit your skills, your abilities. It's the same here. It'd be a pretty boring game if *everybody* could do vSS HM... there has to be some challenge. But you aren't forbidden from never seeing Sunspire because you can't do HM... there's vet level, and even normal level you can do.

zyk · November 2019

Animation cancelling is not as impactful as people think it is.

You don't ever need to think about it to perform well. At the end of the day, it's just about timing. If you're not hitting something like 85%+ of elite DPS, your ability to animation cancel is not the problem. More likely factors are: physical and cognitive performance(dexterity, timing, focus, processing), build, understanding of the mechanics, computer performance, client optimization, etc.. Cancelling perfectly is the last thing you need to worry about. You can actually never worry about it: just time according to how the Cooldowns work.

A high skill ceiling is a good thing. The most interesting things in life have both depth and high ceilings in different forms. No one cares about activities with high floors and low ceilings. Tennis vs badminton. Baseball vs t-ball. Just because baseball has a high ceiling doesn't stop players of all skill levels from enjoying it. They just need to learn the rules and relevant skills.

It seems to me that a lot of people just have a problem facing the reality that there are people -- and a lot of them -- better at things than they are. When I worked in corporate analytics, I would see it all the time. The top performers were, you know, tryhard brown nosers who were presumably no fun at parties. Every single top performer was demonized by a tribe of chatty type-bs.

It's okay to be average at things. It's fine to completely suck at passtimes. Let the young competitive gamers enjoy their time the way they like to and find like minded players to enjoy things the way you like to. Performing to the ceiling is not required. Ignore the noise.

tomofhyrule · November 2019

I know what you mean. I play for fun, and I've always shied away from MMOs in the first place since I prefer single-player. I just really needed an Elder Scrolls fix since it's been a while since Skyrim.

I'm not good at this game. I don't have a perfect handle on the mechanics, I have no clue what my DPS is, I just want to have fun. And my builds are probably trash - one of my characters is a decent DPS (at least I think, since he can solo FGI), but my bowman usually gets killed at least once a Delve. But I do like giving them abilities that I think look cool, so I need to fix that...

But yeah, there are some dungeons I'd like to do, but I don't really know the first thing about getting groups together who also want to have fun or are willing to help out. I'm sure that guilds like that exist, but I'm too shy to start looking, and then I'd hate if I did join and then got busy with other things and couldn't be a productive member of the group...

Fortunately, most of the stuff I like is Crown Store so I do have a way of getting it...except I'd really like the Beast personality for my WW character, and I'm nowhere near good enough to run a vet dungeon at all, not the least of which running it three times making it harder.

Maybe once my main finishes the main quest, I'll consider looking for casual guilds that run vet dungeons. He's a tank (I also need to practice tanking since people are always complaining about how most people can't tank)...