Kel wrote: »

Artorias24 wrote: »

Nordic__Knights wrote: »

😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 should i say more ? Ok i will 😆 😆 😆 😆 nb is by far the easy class to kill if player aint in the top 2% of the skill cap for the class and cloak is so easy to draw them out of that ifs funny. Oh wait you DONT want to use any of the skills that dose it you just want ZOS to remove the skill you cant find the skill to remove YOURSELF 😆 😆 😆 😆 i hardly say this as its not nice but LEARN TO PLAY !!!!!!!!! Lots of others have gave you the TOOLS to do so its your choice to use them or not

No one is asking to remove it. We are asking for adjustments cause cloak is quite overloaded with benefits and ni drawbacks

Its sole benefit is defense. No one has ever killed you with cloak. The drawback is high magicka cost, especially for stamblade.
If you do catch one, they usually die in two hits. That's the risk/reward of playing nightblade.

Stop asking for nerfs...and I mean in general.
The poster who said "everyone wants to be the rock and force everyone else to be the scissors" is the most accurate thing I've read yet to describe you nerf advocates.

Learn
To
Play

If you can't slot a potion when needed for this case, not only are you lazy, but you deserve to be farmed for AP....

Artorias24 wrote: »

Kel wrote: »

Artorias24 wrote: »

Nordic__Knights wrote: »

😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 should i say more ? Ok i will 😆 😆 😆 😆 nb is by far the easy class to kill if player aint in the top 2% of the skill cap for the class and cloak is so easy to draw them out of that ifs funny. Oh wait you DONT want to use any of the skills that dose it you just want ZOS to remove the skill you cant find the skill to remove YOURSELF 😆 😆 😆 😆 i hardly say this as its not nice but LEARN TO PLAY !!!!!!!!! Lots of others have gave you the TOOLS to do so its your choice to use them or not

No one is asking to remove it. We are asking for adjustments cause cloak is quite overloaded with benefits and ni drawbacks

Its sole benefit is defense. No one has ever killed you with cloak. The drawback is high magicka cost, especially for stamblade.
If you do catch one, they usually die in two hits. That's the risk/reward of playing nightblade.

Stop asking for nerfs...and I mean in general.
The poster who said "everyone wants to be the rock and force everyone else to be the scissors" is the most accurate thing I've read yet to describe you nerf advocates.

Learn
To
Play

If you can't slot a potion when needed for this case, not only are you lazy, but you deserve to be farmed for AP....

Then come PC EU and "Farm" me. I wish you good luck

Kel wrote: »

Artorias24 wrote: »

Kel wrote: »

Artorias24 wrote: »

Kel wrote: »

Artorias24 wrote: »

Nordic__Knights wrote: »

😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 should i say more ? Ok i will 😆 😆 😆 😆 nb is by far the easy class to kill if player aint in the top 2% of the skill cap for the class and cloak is so easy to draw them out of that ifs funny. Oh wait you DONT want to use any of the skills that dose it you just want ZOS to remove the skill you cant find the skill to remove YOURSELF 😆 😆 😆 😆 i hardly say this as its not nice but LEARN TO PLAY !!!!!!!!! Lots of others have gave you the TOOLS to do so its your choice to use them or not

No one is asking to remove it. We are asking for adjustments cause cloak is quite overloaded with benefits and ni drawbacks

Its sole benefit is defense. No one has ever killed you with cloak. The drawback is high magicka cost, especially for stamblade.
If you do catch one, they usually die in two hits. That's the risk/reward of playing nightblade.

Stop asking for nerfs...and I mean in general.
The poster who said "everyone wants to be the rock and force everyone else to be the scissors" is the most accurate thing I've read yet to describe you nerf advocates.

Learn
To
Play

If you can't slot a potion when needed for this case, not only are you lazy, but you deserve to be farmed for AP....

Then come PC EU and "Farm" me. I wish you good luck

If you weren't easy to farm, you wouldn't be in this post complaining about something so easy to counter. 🤷‍♂️

Hardly they kill me, they are just annoying waiting until someone is busy with 2-3 melee players and then spamming their snipes from save range at you and popping rapid+cloak as soon as you look at them. They can fire 2 snipes from cloak until they are revealed for a second and just insta cloak again when they at least have some kind of brain.

Same goes for those perma streakers that escape into oblivion when they get hit by one light attack. Only to come Back when you are busy fighting other and attack you again.

I dont get this corwardly behavior in cyro that gets promoted by thinks like cloak and streak. Players running away as soon as numbers are equal but dont mind a 20v2 with a well timed tbag at the end.

So, again, you have no issues with it, but you want to fundamentally change a key component of an entire class.......because it's a minor inconvenience to you?
Don't think so. You protest far too much.

"Players running away as soon as numbers are equal but dont mind a 20v2 with a well timed tbag at the end."

Congratulations, you've just described about 80% of players in Cyrodiil, regardless of class.
A warden does this as much as a nightblade. This literally proves nothing.

Artorias24 wrote: »

Kel wrote: »

Artorias24 wrote: »

Kel wrote: »

Artorias24 wrote: »

Kel wrote: »

Artorias24 wrote: »

Nordic__Knights wrote: »

😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 should i say more ? Ok i will 😆 😆 😆 😆 nb is by far the easy class to kill if player aint in the top 2% of the skill cap for the class and cloak is so easy to draw them out of that ifs funny. Oh wait you DONT want to use any of the skills that dose it you just want ZOS to remove the skill you cant find the skill to remove YOURSELF 😆 😆 😆 😆 i hardly say this as its not nice but LEARN TO PLAY !!!!!!!!! Lots of others have gave you the TOOLS to do so its your choice to use them or not

No one is asking to remove it. We are asking for adjustments cause cloak is quite overloaded with benefits and ni drawbacks

Its sole benefit is defense. No one has ever killed you with cloak. The drawback is high magicka cost, especially for stamblade.
If you do catch one, they usually die in two hits. That's the risk/reward of playing nightblade.

Stop asking for nerfs...and I mean in general.
The poster who said "everyone wants to be the rock and force everyone else to be the scissors" is the most accurate thing I've read yet to describe you nerf advocates.

Learn
To
Play

If you can't slot a potion when needed for this case, not only are you lazy, but you deserve to be farmed for AP....

Then come PC EU and "Farm" me. I wish you good luck

If you weren't easy to farm, you wouldn't be in this post complaining about something so easy to counter. 🤷‍♂️

Hardly they kill me, they are just annoying waiting until someone is busy with 2-3 melee players and then spamming their snipes from save range at you and popping rapid+cloak as soon as you look at them. They can fire 2 snipes from cloak until they are revealed for a second and just insta cloak again when they at least have some kind of brain.

Same goes for those perma streakers that escape into oblivion when they get hit by one light attack. Only to come Back when you are busy fighting other and attack you again.

I dont get this corwardly behavior in cyro that gets promoted by thinks like cloak and streak. Players running away as soon as numbers are equal but dont mind a 20v2 with a well timed tbag at the end.

So, again, you have no issues with it, but you want to fundamentally change a key component of an entire class.......because it's a minor inconvenience to you?
Don't think so. You protest far too much.

"Players running away as soon as numbers are equal but dont mind a 20v2 with a well timed tbag at the end."

Congratulations, you've just described about 80% of players in Cyrodiil, regardless of class.
A warden does this as much as a nightblade. This literally proves nothing.

I just Said that cloak (in my opinion) promoted this playstyle cause its so easy so escape a fight with just one button. And you can get healed in cloak while surpressing all pre applied dots, getting a garantued crit, proc your major ward passivly and escape without the enemy to even see you.

Kel wrote: »

Artorias24 wrote: »

Kel wrote: »

Artorias24 wrote: »

Kel wrote: »

Artorias24 wrote: »

Kel wrote: »

Artorias24 wrote: »

Nordic__Knights wrote: »

😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 should i say more ? Ok i will 😆 😆 😆 😆 nb is by far the easy class to kill if player aint in the top 2% of the skill cap for the class and cloak is so easy to draw them out of that ifs funny. Oh wait you DONT want to use any of the skills that dose it you just want ZOS to remove the skill you cant find the skill to remove YOURSELF 😆 😆 😆 😆 i hardly say this as its not nice but LEARN TO PLAY !!!!!!!!! Lots of others have gave you the TOOLS to do so its your choice to use them or not

No one is asking to remove it. We are asking for adjustments cause cloak is quite overloaded with benefits and ni drawbacks

Its sole benefit is defense. No one has ever killed you with cloak. The drawback is high magicka cost, especially for stamblade.
If you do catch one, they usually die in two hits. That's the risk/reward of playing nightblade.

Stop asking for nerfs...and I mean in general.
The poster who said "everyone wants to be the rock and force everyone else to be the scissors" is the most accurate thing I've read yet to describe you nerf advocates.

Learn
To
Play

If you can't slot a potion when needed for this case, not only are you lazy, but you deserve to be farmed for AP....

Then come PC EU and "Farm" me. I wish you good luck

If you weren't easy to farm, you wouldn't be in this post complaining about something so easy to counter. 🤷‍♂️

Hardly they kill me, they are just annoying waiting until someone is busy with 2-3 melee players and then spamming their snipes from save range at you and popping rapid+cloak as soon as you look at them. They can fire 2 snipes from cloak until they are revealed for a second and just insta cloak again when they at least have some kind of brain.

Same goes for those perma streakers that escape into oblivion when they get hit by one light attack. Only to come Back when you are busy fighting other and attack you again.

I dont get this corwardly behavior in cyro that gets promoted by thinks like cloak and streak. Players running away as soon as numbers are equal but dont mind a 20v2 with a well timed tbag at the end.

So, again, you have no issues with it, but you want to fundamentally change a key component of an entire class.......because it's a minor inconvenience to you?
Don't think so. You protest far too much.

"Players running away as soon as numbers are equal but dont mind a 20v2 with a well timed tbag at the end."

Congratulations, you've just described about 80% of players in Cyrodiil, regardless of class.
A warden does this as much as a nightblade. This literally proves nothing.

I just Said that cloak (in my opinion) promoted this playstyle cause its so easy so escape a fight with just one button. And you can get healed in cloak while surpressing all pre applied dots, getting a garantued crit, proc your major ward passivly and escape without the enemy to even see you.

You can also easily escape and heal in Mist Form, something used by alot (most?) magicka templars. And yet, not too many posts complaining about Mist Form. And Mist Form is available to all players.

Again, what you're asking for is to take away the defense of a class just because it's a inconvenience for you.
Everyone has the ability to heal themselves in this game. Asking to strip down one class speaks volumes of your inability to adjust to that class.

And all this nonsense because you can't be arsed to slot a simple potion when you see a player slip into cloak.

Let me tell you something. If you catch a nightblade out with a detect pot, you've just ensured that any nightblade with a brain won't be back to "slightly annoy" you any longer. They know you'll catch them out. It's really that easy.
So back to my original point...if you can't do something as simple as use a potion, you deserve to get "annoyed".

Nerfs are not the answer. Counter-play is. I cannot take nerf posts or nerf advocates seriously when a ton of counters already exist and the argument against using said counters basically comes down to "But I don't want to"....🤷‍♂️

Artorias24 wrote: »

Kel wrote: »

Artorias24 wrote: »

Kel wrote: »

Artorias24 wrote: »

Kel wrote: »

Artorias24 wrote: »

Kel wrote: »

Artorias24 wrote: »

Nordic__Knights wrote: »

😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 should i say more ? Ok i will 😆 😆 😆 😆 nb is by far the easy class to kill if player aint in the top 2% of the skill cap for the class and cloak is so easy to draw them out of that ifs funny. Oh wait you DONT want to use any of the skills that dose it you just want ZOS to remove the skill you cant find the skill to remove YOURSELF 😆 😆 😆 😆 i hardly say this as its not nice but LEARN TO PLAY !!!!!!!!! Lots of others have gave you the TOOLS to do so its your choice to use them or not

No one is asking to remove it. We are asking for adjustments cause cloak is quite overloaded with benefits and ni drawbacks

Its sole benefit is defense. No one has ever killed you with cloak. The drawback is high magicka cost, especially for stamblade.
If you do catch one, they usually die in two hits. That's the risk/reward of playing nightblade.

Stop asking for nerfs...and I mean in general.
The poster who said "everyone wants to be the rock and force everyone else to be the scissors" is the most accurate thing I've read yet to describe you nerf advocates.

Learn
To
Play

If you can't slot a potion when needed for this case, not only are you lazy, but you deserve to be farmed for AP....

Then come PC EU and "Farm" me. I wish you good luck

If you weren't easy to farm, you wouldn't be in this post complaining about something so easy to counter. 🤷‍♂️

Hardly they kill me, they are just annoying waiting until someone is busy with 2-3 melee players and then spamming their snipes from save range at you and popping rapid+cloak as soon as you look at them. They can fire 2 snipes from cloak until they are revealed for a second and just insta cloak again when they at least have some kind of brain.

Same goes for those perma streakers that escape into oblivion when they get hit by one light attack. Only to come Back when you are busy fighting other and attack you again.

I dont get this corwardly behavior in cyro that gets promoted by thinks like cloak and streak. Players running away as soon as numbers are equal but dont mind a 20v2 with a well timed tbag at the end.

So, again, you have no issues with it, but you want to fundamentally change a key component of an entire class.......because it's a minor inconvenience to you?
Don't think so. You protest far too much.

"Players running away as soon as numbers are equal but dont mind a 20v2 with a well timed tbag at the end."

Congratulations, you've just described about 80% of players in Cyrodiil, regardless of class.
A warden does this as much as a nightblade. This literally proves nothing.

I just Said that cloak (in my opinion) promoted this playstyle cause its so easy so escape a fight with just one button. And you can get healed in cloak while surpressing all pre applied dots, getting a garantued crit, proc your major ward passivly and escape without the enemy to even see you.

You can also easily escape and heal in Mist Form, something used by alot (most?) magicka templars. And yet, not too many posts complaining about Mist Form. And Mist Form is available to all players.

Again, what you're asking for is to take away the defense of a class just because it's a inconvenience for you.
Everyone has the ability to heal themselves in this game. Asking to strip down one class speaks volumes of your inability to adjust to that class.

And all this nonsense because you can't be arsed to slot a simple potion when you see a player slip into cloak.

Let me tell you something. If you catch a nightblade out with a detect pot, you've just ensured that any nightblade with a brain won't be back to "slightly annoy" you any longer. They know you'll catch them out. It's really that easy.
So back to my original point...if you can't do something as simple as use a potion, you deserve to get "annoyed".

Nerfs are not the answer. Counter-play is. I cannot take nerf posts or nerf advocates seriously when a ton of counters already exist and the argument against using said counters basically comes down to "But I don't want to"....🤷‍♂️

Ofc detect potion CAN be good when your potion isnt on cooldown and you manage to kill the Nightblade in the given time Window where He cant cloak. While stamblade has still many ways to defend themselfs until detect duration is over and you need to wait the rest of the potion cooldown again.

Kel wrote: »

Artorias24 wrote: »

Kel wrote: »

Artorias24 wrote: »

Kel wrote: »

Artorias24 wrote: »

Kel wrote: »

Artorias24 wrote: »

Kel wrote: »

Artorias24 wrote: »

Nordic__Knights wrote: »

😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 should i say more ? Ok i will 😆 😆 😆 😆 nb is by far the easy class to kill if player aint in the top 2% of the skill cap for the class and cloak is so easy to draw them out of that ifs funny. Oh wait you DONT want to use any of the skills that dose it you just want ZOS to remove the skill you cant find the skill to remove YOURSELF 😆 😆 😆 😆 i hardly say this as its not nice but LEARN TO PLAY !!!!!!!!! Lots of others have gave you the TOOLS to do so its your choice to use them or not

No one is asking to remove it. We are asking for adjustments cause cloak is quite overloaded with benefits and ni drawbacks

Its sole benefit is defense. No one has ever killed you with cloak. The drawback is high magicka cost, especially for stamblade.
If you do catch one, they usually die in two hits. That's the risk/reward of playing nightblade.

Stop asking for nerfs...and I mean in general.
The poster who said "everyone wants to be the rock and force everyone else to be the scissors" is the most accurate thing I've read yet to describe you nerf advocates.

Learn
To
Play

If you can't slot a potion when needed for this case, not only are you lazy, but you deserve to be farmed for AP....

Then come PC EU and "Farm" me. I wish you good luck

If you weren't easy to farm, you wouldn't be in this post complaining about something so easy to counter. 🤷‍♂️

Hardly they kill me, they are just annoying waiting until someone is busy with 2-3 melee players and then spamming their snipes from save range at you and popping rapid+cloak as soon as you look at them. They can fire 2 snipes from cloak until they are revealed for a second and just insta cloak again when they at least have some kind of brain.

Same goes for those perma streakers that escape into oblivion when they get hit by one light attack. Only to come Back when you are busy fighting other and attack you again.

I dont get this corwardly behavior in cyro that gets promoted by thinks like cloak and streak. Players running away as soon as numbers are equal but dont mind a 20v2 with a well timed tbag at the end.

So, again, you have no issues with it, but you want to fundamentally change a key component of an entire class.......because it's a minor inconvenience to you?
Don't think so. You protest far too much.

"Players running away as soon as numbers are equal but dont mind a 20v2 with a well timed tbag at the end."

Congratulations, you've just described about 80% of players in Cyrodiil, regardless of class.
A warden does this as much as a nightblade. This literally proves nothing.

I just Said that cloak (in my opinion) promoted this playstyle cause its so easy so escape a fight with just one button. And you can get healed in cloak while surpressing all pre applied dots, getting a garantued crit, proc your major ward passivly and escape without the enemy to even see you.

You can also easily escape and heal in Mist Form, something used by alot (most?) magicka templars. And yet, not too many posts complaining about Mist Form. And Mist Form is available to all players.

Again, what you're asking for is to take away the defense of a class just because it's a inconvenience for you.
Everyone has the ability to heal themselves in this game. Asking to strip down one class speaks volumes of your inability to adjust to that class.

And all this nonsense because you can't be arsed to slot a simple potion when you see a player slip into cloak.

Let me tell you something. If you catch a nightblade out with a detect pot, you've just ensured that any nightblade with a brain won't be back to "slightly annoy" you any longer. They know you'll catch them out. It's really that easy.
So back to my original point...if you can't do something as simple as use a potion, you deserve to get "annoyed".

Nerfs are not the answer. Counter-play is. I cannot take nerf posts or nerf advocates seriously when a ton of counters already exist and the argument against using said counters basically comes down to "But I don't want to"....🤷‍♂️

Ofc detect potion CAN be good when your potion isnt on cooldown and you manage to kill the Nightblade in the given time Window where He cant cloak. While stamblade has still many ways to defend themselfs until detect duration is over and you need to wait the rest of the potion cooldown again.

So, once again, your reasoning for not using the simplest counter (detect pot) is simply "I don't want to". If a nightblade is as reliant on cloak as you suggest, a pots duration is plenty of time to deal with them. Only squishy blades over-rely on cloak. If you can't kill one once you strip them of cloak, I'd take a seriously hard look at your build.
L2P
I think I'm done here.

Nerftheforums wrote: »

Kel wrote: »

Artorias24 wrote: »

Mayrael wrote: »

Artorias24 wrote: »

Mayrael wrote: »

Artorias24 wrote: »

Mayrael wrote: »

Artorias24 wrote: »

Vlad9425 wrote: »

Your agenda against nightblades is getting really old, why don’t you pop a detect potion or use an AOE or expect hunter / magelight like every half decent player does in the game to pull nightblades out of Cloak and stop making these dumb threads.

Let me just check your named counter... When you pop a detect potion you will lose a lot of important buffs and no one garantues that your potion isnt on cooldown when you need it. While cloak can be used without cooldown.

Not every class and build has access to aoe spammables. Stamina Warden has sub but with 3 seconds delay. Stamina necro needs to target the Nightblade to cast its aoe and blastbones can also be countered by cloak.

Expert hunter eats a whole skill slot for a buff that stamwarden gets from other, way superior skills (Green Lotus and bird of prey) and stamnecro is using crit potions and has its bar stuffed with more important skills.

Magelight gets used, yes but its hardly working. I even saw Nightblades cloaking right in front of me while magelight was active. And given the awful Performance in cyro the server often fails to recognize that the Nightblade was still in reveal range of the cast....

Pff... It's just like saying I'd like to be able to counter streaking away sorc but I don't want to use gap closers because I can't find space for it on my bars or I can't invest into speed because I l'd lose a lot of important buffs...

And about counters to cloak being weak. You would like to be able to disable cloak 100% of a time leaving NB no counter to your counter. If you think that counters to cloak should be "I win button" because you can permanently disable NBs main defense then I want same skills or potions to completely disable shields, bolt escape, heals, block etc. etc. Each of those defensive mechanics have counters that are not 100% effective, same with cloak.

YOU NEED TO LEARN HOW TO USE THOSE COUNTERS. PERIOD.

I kill NBs on regular basis and can tell you one thing. There is nothing easier to kill than cloaking magblade when you have detection potion up. Stamblades are harder because they can roll through this, but it's just a matter of experience, you need to know when to use counter.

You were saying that you go full combo with DBoS and NBs fades into cloak when in execute range... If you would use counter to cloak like expert hunter, mage light or detection potion before using DBoS NB not only wouldn't be able to disappear, but he would also waste GCD and magicka on trying to get into cloak at the first time, giving you option to use execute.

That's just L2P issue, you need to learn to predict your enemy moves and be one step ahead of them. That's all. You have needed tools, you just need to learn how to use them.

I already Said that expert hunter doesnt make any sense on a stamina warden cause there are better skills. Cloak itself just offers too much without drawbacks...

I could say same the same about any decent skill BoL/Streak, RAT, Betty/Bull netch, Ritual etc. etc. You still claim that you won't use counters to cloak because these are waste of slot/cool down while every single one good PvPer uses them. You really don't see anything wrong here? And what are nicks of your toons? I have good memory when it goes to good players I've met, maybe we have fought eachother?

I actually dont know any good stamina warden who would pick evil hunter over green lotus. Only Advantage evil hunter gives is the reveal of nightblades while you loose so much other important stuff...

For example my stamina Warden is Named Vordt and my Account name is Gnozo.

Most Nightblade are indeed killable for me cause i can handle it. But experienced ones that know how to cloak and Shadowimage are really really hard to kill. I am not talking about magblades, i am talking about stamblades

TBH I don't think I have 1v1 with you, but I have some 1v1s with U like B, Scream, Strepsels (on his DK), Frost Banana Reaper on his sorc and all of those fights ended in draws (CP charm), I know players better then them (or with better builds) who were able to kill me on build I was using back then like Clodth, Taksiit, Heresya. I haven't dueled with Jack, Visual or Dusk but I have heard they are one of the bests. Now how we will read it? As cloak being OP? Because I use cloak very very rarely in 1v1s, its my escape tool when outnumbered... Or maybe we should acuse some of my opponents skills as OP because I couldn't kill them or they were able to kill me?

I could say that ritual does to much, it cleanses negative effects, it gives minor mending and snare through passives, it heals you and your allies and it can even deal damage in huge aoe area making cloak completly useless in this area, but I don't, because you can counter it in few ways or even take advantage of it.

Same as you can take advantage of NB who relies to much on cloak. Good NB will always have backup plan if cloak fails which is pretty common scenario, but most NBs are completly defenseless when you take cloak from them. You need to choose what is more important for you, being able to counter cloak or have your "more important buffs" up. Same as others need to decide will they use gapclosers to counter streak, onslaught to counter high resistance builds etc. etc. Yes Evil Hunter may be redundant on Stam Warden but detection potions are not, you can switch them during combat. Potions are also more flexible, personaly Its the only counter I need against NBs.

Scream ye, i know those ppl. Visual and his tryhard Squad always hunting us and uploading a video of it when they clap us once Out of 10. Its cute while scream always dies First. Jack and Dusk are indeed really good players and visual too while i dont like his mentality tho.

Just in my point of view is that cloak is good against many things while those counters are only good against cloak and lack in every other aspect. Sure you can use detect pots but you will loose 7k stam, major endurance or other things that will be not avaible for 47(?) Seconds just to get a Window to hunt that Nightblade. And remember, i still talk about stamblades. And this detect doesnt last the full potion duration, not even half. Cloak is a very strong defensive and offensive tool that (in my opinion) is too strong in its current state. I dont fail to kill cloakers or getting one shotted by them as most ppl fail to recognize. Just the skill itself i find really strong with all what it brings.

There are tons of stronger defensive skills in this game.

I'm not seeing you advocating for a reduction in Shimmering Shield use. Templar Rune's. DK's numerous defensive abilities. Vampire Mist form. Sorc shield's....etc.

Very selective of you.

And don't get me started on the fact that he doesn't consider shadow image and streak an issue, while cloak yes.
Sniper spammers skilled nbs tho.

Mayrael wrote: »

Artorias24 wrote: »

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I am kinda done with players unable to read and just say "l2p". I explained why detect potion is very situational. Huge cooldown, detect effect doesnt last full duration etc. But whatever, you read what you want and throw "l2p" Here and there. Have a nice day then. [...]

I think i mentioned shadow imagine and also the combination of both of them. Just read. And i also mentioned perma streakers. But just read whatever you want. I am just waiting for the next "l2p".

Mist form should disable all heals, also rally heal. If rally heals in mist form its simply a Bug. Mist form surpresses hots.

Its just my personal opinion that cloak is overloaded with good stuff that i pointed out a lot of Times.

And I explained that you can't expect to have one perfect counter that works always without any drawbacks.

Mayrael wrote: »

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Edit:
Oh and you constantly ignore that I am using detection potions to, which means I am sacrificing my other buffs I get from potions also but I find it is better solution when you fight NB because it gives me more in this fight. It is situational!, you can't ask to have one counter to rule them all! It's up to you what and when you use. If you refuse to use aviable counters it's your fault, not cloak.

Edit2:
Think of it like this. You trade off your stam for being able to disable your opponent main defense for 15s. What would give you more. Lets say 7k stamina and 3,5k HP and 20% regens on those or you being able to disable main defense of your enemy and lets say additional immovable or increased weapon critical (secondary effect on such potion)? When it goes to me it is clear which is better.