Not a quitting thread [updated]

sudaki_eso · November 2019

CaffeinatedMayhem wrote: »

I know far more people with health issues like me who play this game, than those who do "good" DPS.

There you have your solution, team up and open a guild. Run the content with the people who play the game for fun and dont take it too serous like you do. I know its not easy to find a fitting guild...

AlienSlof · November 2019

Same boat here too - oldie with a duff left hand after a stroke years ago. Been burnt by elitists a few times, but no more. Now I just play with groups of friends who want me there regardless of dps scores. I'm actually a better healer than dd anyway. No one in those groups judges me or pushes me out for not hitting 50+k or wearing 'stormproof' title.

I played Quake 3 at high level in international tourneys, but that was pre-stroke. I can't do that ay more, my reflexes are just not there as they were. ESO wth my buddies is now my speed.

The_Old_Goat · November 2019

[quote="Sure, whatever. I'll be decorating my homes, because that's all I'm good for.[/quote]

This is not even remotely true! Sorry that I glossed over this part of your post last night. Also if you want help decorating your homes, I'm down for that too! Please at the very least, send me a friend request if you're on PC/NA(@Jer70).

xxthir13enxx · November 2019

https://youtu.be/nCYbRmSlW-M

Titansteele · November 2019

We have people pulling 10K DPS running through vet DLC dungeons and even some vet trials.

I think you just need to find the right guild. Elitists do exist but in my experience there are more helpful people than otherwise.

StabbityDoom · November 2019

CaffeinatedMayhem wrote: »

Today is a very sad day, yet again I have to sit quietly by while some elitist lectures on why I *should* be able to do 50k DPS, and why you can't clear a vet trial with only 20k DPS.

Sorry, I have a connective tissues disease, carpal tunnel, and other issues. I use a controller because I can't play with keyboard anymore. Yes, I've seen that some people can animation cancel with gamepadUI... well, I can't. Doesn't matter how many hours I spend at a target dummy, I've never been able to animation cancel reliably. Not to meniotn it takes me a week to run run vMA, because my hands get tired and stop working. I'm worthless the day after a vet trial, my hands are shaky.

So I'm not leaving the game this time, but it's really sad that I'm limited to housing and normal dungeons. I mean, no one will take someone with 20k into a vet dungeon, much less a vet DLC. Well, my tank will because I'm not an elitist, but whatever, why would you listen to a scrub like me.

I know far more people with health issues like me who play this game, than those who do "good" DPS.

I hope this post starts a discussion. I'm sure a lot of it will be calling me names, whatever, it's not like the mods care. I hope a dev sees this and feels bad about leaving animation cancelling. This game is great, but all the adults with health issues, arthritis, carpal tunnel, or just plain old slower reflexes can't do a lot of things, because we don't do "good" DPS. Or healing, or tanking.

Gaming isn't just for the kids anymore, but games haven't caught up with the fact that all gamers aren't kids.

No, I don't have a "right" to play content I paid for. Of course, everything should be SUPER HARD because only the BEST deserve to play. Right?

Sure, whatever. I'll be decorating my homes, because that's all I'm good for.

CM, I too have a whole host of medical issues that make it impossible for me to do well in this game [RA, chronic pain, etc]. That's why I call myself the streaming potato. But here's the thing - other than VMA, which I personally don't think is possible for someone with disabilities such as us (and I've just accepted that), I think there will always be kind people who understand your limitations and help you through. Ask @JHartEllis sometime, he helps with DDA and would take you through stuff knowing your limitations. There are others. If this is what you want to do, you will absolutely find people who care who will help. Put out the call on discord and I bet people will say yes. I'd offer but I'm allergic to dungeons.

I have often thought about "story mode" mmos where we could god mode things, and basically that's what I look for in solo games these days for the very reason of, I want to know the game content but physically can no longer do it. We are a new generation of gamers who people have not taken account of, but in the years to come, I hope that someone will realize their gamers are aging and need some sort of assistance.

Kahnak · November 2019

CaffeinatedMayhem wrote: »

Today is a very sad day, yet again I have to sit quietly by while some elitist lectures on why I *should* be able to do 50k DPS, and why you can't clear a vet trial with only 20k DPS.

Sorry, I have a connective tissues disease, carpal tunnel, and other issues. I use a controller because I can't play with keyboard anymore. Yes, I've seen that some people can animation cancel with gamepadUI... well, I can't. Doesn't matter how many hours I spend at a target dummy, I've never been able to animation cancel reliably. Not to meniotn it takes me a week to run run vMA, because my hands get tired and stop working. I'm worthless the day after a vet trial, my hands are shaky.

So I'm not leaving the game this time, but it's really sad that I'm limited to housing and normal dungeons. I mean, no one will take someone with 20k into a vet dungeon, much less a vet DLC. Well, my tank will because I'm not an elitist, but whatever, why would you listen to a scrub like me.

I know far more people with health issues like me who play this game, than those who do "good" DPS.

I hope this post starts a discussion. I'm sure a lot of it will be calling me names, whatever, it's not like the mods care. I hope a dev sees this and feels bad about leaving animation cancelling. This game is great, but all the adults with health issues, arthritis, carpal tunnel, or just plain old slower reflexes can't do a lot of things, because we don't do "good" DPS. Or healing, or tanking.

Gaming isn't just for the kids anymore, but games haven't caught up with the fact that all gamers aren't kids.

No, I don't have a "right" to play content I paid for. Of course, everything should be SUPER HARD because only the BEST deserve to play. Right?

Sure, whatever. I'll be decorating my homes, because that's all I'm good for.

I know others have already made this point, but just to emphasize. 40k is the minimum GROUP DPS for vet dungeons in general - this includes tank, healer and both DPS. If you are consistently getting around 20k, you are officially doing your part. Anyone expecting more than that in a game where 60% of the player base can't do 30k DPS is doing so for expediency and is being unreasonable. This is even true for a lot of vet DLC where the mechanics are generally more important and the boss AI actively works against groups simply trying to push through with high DPS or outright prohibits it. Additionally, if there is a group forming that includes a DPS that is doing 50k, you shouldn't also be required to meet 50k - the group will already be doing well over the minimum for the dungeon to run smoothly. As someone who can do that amount of DPS, what the other DPS is doing is pretty irrelevant for the average vet dungeon. Even if it wasn't, I know I'm not the only one who has been healing or tanking in a PUG group where I would pay real life money to have both DPS doing 20k. Don't be discouraged.

AhPook_Is_Here · November 2019

Just going to toss a few things out, first I don't think a game pad is easier on your tendons than a mouse and keyboard, but whatever you do, stretch and take some time to move around. Next, get yourself a good macro program, or program your mouse and keyboard to automate repetitive tasks for you like weaving and animation canceling. If you don't have hardware designed for this, get an application like auto-hotkey.

As for the rest, who cares what other people think of you, your time on this planet is all you have, so get some kicks out of it before it's gone. Fairness and justice aren't really interesting concepts to the gods, other than the irony they create for amusing stories. You shouldn't expect those things from life or from a game. Don't let people grind you, get adventurous, start a pogram targeting elitist mmo gamers or something, just don't be boring because the gods hate boring, and your dream won't please them, and when they awaken you will be forgotten.

mentalyentil · November 2019

For what it’s worth using a controller is just fine if you’re feeling bad about using one. I also have friends much better than I am that use one too. I have only ever used a controller and have never once been hampered by it - every vet hard mode trial complete as a filthy controller pleb so you’re fine.

I do get carried everywhere I go but it’s cool.

Hippie4927 · November 2019

AhPook_Is_Here wrote: »

Just going to toss a few things out, first I don't think a game pad is easier on your tendons than a mouse and keyboard, but whatever you do, stretch and take some time to move around. Next, get yourself a good macro program, or program your mouse and keyboard to automate repetitive tasks for you like weaving and animation canceling. If you don't have hardware designed for this, get an application like auto-hotkey.

As for the rest, who cares what other people think of you, your time on this planet is all you have, so get some kicks out of it before it's gone. Fairness and justice aren't really interesting concepts to the gods, other than the irony they create for amusing stories. You shouldn't expect those things from life or from a game. Don't let people grind you, get adventurous, start a pogram targeting elitist mmo gamers or something, just don't be boring because the gods hate boring, and your dream won't please them, and when they awaken you will be forgotten.

The OP stated that they have carpal tunnel syndrome. I can attest to the fact that with carpal's the mouse (not so much the keyboard) is hell on the hand. My hand stiffens around the mouse and I can't use my fingers until I drop the mouse and shakeout my hand. It's impossible to use the mouse when you can't move your fingers. This doesn't happen to me with the controller.

Carpal's has nothing to do with the tendons........it affects the nerves in the hand.

ChefZero · November 2019

@CaffeinatedMayhem You could use macros for LA weaving for example. And don't worry about people saying you will get banned for it. I know many players using macros for years and none received a bann. And if you would get a bann I promise to start a petition for you.

pklemming · November 2019

You really need to let us know what server you play on.If it is EU, we would love to have you in Homestead. Most of us are older. Some of us have additional issues (although being old brings its own anyway). We do dungeons, chat, do vet stuff and don't really care what your DPS shows.

CaffeinatedMayhem · November 2019

pklemming wrote: »

You really need to let us know what server you play on.If it is EU, we would love to have you in Homestead. Most of us are older. Some of us have additional issues (although being old brings its own anyway). We do dungeons, chat, do vet stuff and don't really care what your DPS shows.

Thanks, but I'm on PC/NA.

vamp_emily · November 2019

I don't find vet dungeons that hard but you will definitely not find me in a VET DLC dungeon and I don't do Vet trials.

Does the OP really need to DPS? I find DPS challenging at times, so I just play a healer unless people request me to dps. I think healing would be less stressful/demanding for people that have disabilities or other issues.

Zephard · November 2019

I think it's funny to see the baiting trolls come in the thread and put words in your mouth. You never mentioned you wanted leaderboard, or be elite.

Truely, my advice is you find guilds that run vet content as a organized group (not progressive leaderboard chasing), and know what to expect.
Like many here have suggested. Probably if you want to get into several guilds so it's not just one.

There are plenty out there who enjoy doing the harder content for the mechanics and do it just fine with all you have described. Not going to say you switch roles cause it sounds you are good enough.

Though for me, I play all 3 roles, and waiting for my lovely wife to enjoy PvP cause I want to play with siege equipment.

ssewallb14_ESO · November 2019

The vet Spindleclutch Bloodspawn DPS check requires around 20k group DPS. The base game vet dungeons were tuned for fairly low DPS, the idea that you need 50k for anything other than vet trials is pretty hilarious.

poietin · November 2019

BooPerScOOper wrote: »

SenpaiNFT wrote: »

Hmm, so what you’re saying, is because someone wants to play piano even though they don’t have fingers, piano makers should remove keys to make it fair? Damn all those pianists and their fingers! Piano makers are so unfair for leaving keys that require fingers to use!

strawman
You misrepresented someone's argument to make it easier to attack.

By exaggerating, misrepresenting, or just completely fabricating someone's argument, it's much easier to present your own position as being reasonable, but this kind of dishonesty serves to undermine honest rational debate.

But what OP is essentially complaining about is failing a piano audition for a city orchestra and blaming her medical condition for it. The passive aggressive entitlement is quite astounding.

ZOS_FalcoYamaoka · November 2019

Greetings,

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Oakmontowls_ESO · November 2019

Short of vet hm dlc trials, you can complete all content with little to no light attack weaving. It will require a lot of coordination and will most likely require the group to build tankier but it should be do able. The only thing high dps accomplishes, short of actual dps checks, is spending less time doing mechanics. As for builds, you should look at heavy attack builds.

CassandraGemini · November 2019

Oh, great, so now my post got removed for saying something against bullying? Awesome, ZoS, really. Especially since you also removed my answer to the OP, so here goes again.

@CaffeinatedMayhem Was trying to say that I now understand why you want to do vet. I somehow was under the impression before that it was more of a general thing, about the story/lore and the setting of the dungeon or something like that. But it was, after all, about the challenge. In that case, don't give up because of some condescending elitists that belittle you for no reason. They're out there, you can't help that. I know it can be hard to find the right guild for yourself, but once you do, you'll have so much more fun with the group content. And I'm sure you can do most vet stuff just fine.

Casul · November 2019

Ok I'm probably gonna get burned at the stake for this but oh well.

To OP, if you are only hitting 20k then the issue is your build. The sets that exist currently allow 25k+ with little to no effort. I feel if you optimize things better you would see better results despite the conditions you are dealing with (no disrespect I wish you luck in the endeavor)

As far a DPS requirement for content I would say if you can maintain 35k then no one will complain if you are shooting for vet trail progression groups going for clears (not score runs mind you). Of course you could search for like minded individuals and the stipulations would likely be easier to obtain.

MrGhosty · November 2019

I'm gonna throw this out as a general message for anyone. I am always looking for fun people to play with, I'm typically a bit lone wolfy but I am presently running dungeons on a regular basis and doing other things. If you're looking for a low pressure grouping situation feel free to give me a shout.

If you're interested just drop me a message on here, I'm on PC NA.

SirLeeMinion · November 2019

Kahnak wrote: »

I know others have already made this point, but just to emphasize. 40k is the minimum GROUP DPS for vet dungeons in general..

It's a good bit lower for non DLC Vet dungeons, especially the I's and named dungeons like Direfrost, Volenfell, etc... Running these solo, I've looked back on my combat metrics summary and regularly seen under 20K DPS on the final boss fight. For the II's and certainly for the DLC vets, you are likely right.

For those who just want to story-mode normal dungeons and poke around opening boxes by themselves: You'll likely need help acquiring leeching plate from Imp. City Prison, but once you do, combine it with Bahraha's curse and a monster set you bought in Cyrodiil from the golden vendor, (Iceheart, for instance). With that setup you can slow boat solo through an awful lot of group content. Consider trying the armor combination for free and easy on the PTS before you invest much in the build on live.

Kahnak · November 2019

SirLeeMinion wrote: »

Kahnak wrote: »

I know others have already made this point, but just to emphasize. 40k is the minimum GROUP DPS for vet dungeons in general..

It's a good bit lower for non DLC Vet dungeons, especially the I's and named dungeons like Direfrost, Volenfell, etc... Running these solo, I've looked back on my combat metrics summary and regularly seen under 20K DPS on the final boss fight. For the II's and certainly for the DLC vets, you are likely right.

For those who just want to story-mode normal dungeons and poke around opening boxes by themselves: You'll likely need help acquiring leeching plate from Imp. City Prison, but once you do, combine it with Bahraha's curse and a monster set you bought in Cyrodiil from the golden vendor, (Iceheart, for instance). With that setup you can slow boat solo through an awful lot of group content. Consider trying the armor combination for free and easy on the PTS before you invest much in the build on live.

I'm not quite sure what purpose this 'well actually' is supposed serve. Note the qualifier '...in general'.

"Running these solo, I've looked back on my combat metrics summary and regularly seen under 20K DPS on the final boss fight."

There are myriad reasons why you would end up with less than 20k at the end of a final boss fight that are completely unrelated to the DPS requirement. Additionally, I'm not sure why the OP would make this thread if he was super interested in soloing group content.

jircris11 · November 2019

CaffeinatedMayhem wrote: »

UPDATE: Thank you for all the kind replies and PMs! My guild list is full atm, but I have replied to many people privately. ESO has a great community, which is the main reason I don't want to leave the game.

Today is a very sad day, yet again I have to sit quietly by while some elitist lectures on why I *should* be able to do 50k DPS, and why you can't clear a vet trial with only 20k DPS.

Sorry, I have a connective tissues disease, carpal tunnel, and other issues. I use a controller because I can't play with keyboard anymore. Yes, I've seen that some people can animation cancel with gamepadUI... well, I can't. Doesn't matter how many hours I spend at a target dummy, I've never been able to animation cancel reliably. Not to meniotn it takes me a week to run run vMA, because my hands get tired and stop working. I'm worthless the day after a vet trial, my hands are shaky.

So I'm not leaving the game this time, but it's really sad that I'm limited to housing and normal dungeons. I mean, no one will take someone with 20k into a vet dungeon, much less a vet DLC. Well, my tank will because I'm not an elitist, but whatever, why would you listen to a scrub like me.

I know far more people with health issues like me who play this game, than those who do "good" DPS.

I hope this post starts a discussion. I'm sure a lot of it will be calling me names, whatever, it's not like the mods care. I hope a dev sees this and feels bad about leaving animation cancelling. This game is great, but all the adults with health issues, arthritis, carpal tunnel, or just plain old slower reflexes can't do a lot of things, because we don't do "good" DPS. Or healing, or tanking.

Gaming isn't just for the kids anymore, but games haven't caught up with the fact that all gamers aren't kids.

No, I don't have a "right" to play content I paid for. Of course, everything should be SUPER HARD because only the BEST deserve to play. Right?

Sure, whatever. I'll be decorating my homes, because that's all I'm good for.

I HATE elitist, let me play how I want. Sure it wont be top dps but if it works it works. I deal with a lot of them being in a trial guild. But mist are put in their place as I have more over all mmo experience then them. Most ppl like that had wow as a first mmo where gear score ruined end game.

Araneae6537 · November 2019

I find healing to be more rewarding and less stressful than DPS and only DPS harder content with people I know. I don’t know what my numbers are, but less than yours I’d be willing to bet. I haven’t gotten the timing of light attack weaving yet and end up clicking frantically and cramping my hands for no gain!

But I think you would do just fine OP in vet dungeons (vet trials are beyond me yet so I cannot speak to that) as DPS if you enjoy that most.

I’m sorry that you’ve had bad experiences. Most people I’ve run dungeons with, even PUGging, are fine as long as the group is able to get through the content.

Morgha_Kul wrote: »

I'll point out one thing I didn't see mentioned. Yes, people CAN join groups who will carry them through the content, but that's not why most people play. They don't want someone else doing it FOR them, they want to participate and be valuable to the group.

I'm in much the same boat as far as dps. In fact, my dps sits somewhere around 5k. I can't contribute much of anything to a group in a normal dungeon, let alone a veteran one. I'd love to do that content, but I'm just not going to be able to, and I've no interest in being carried through it (especially because I'll want to look around and explore, read the books, take some screenshots, etc.).

If you’re on PC NA, send me a note (@Araneae6537) and I can connect you with the Slow Dungeon Discord group (don’t use voice chat much, but useful to form groups, etc.). Some are experienced but others are not and the point is to take our time doing normal dungeons, talk to NPCs, explore, read books, etc. as much as people want. You can also find the Discord info in the thread titled looking for group for story dungeons.

Grianasteri · November 2019

BuildMan wrote: »

Ok I'm probably gonna get burned at the stake for this but oh well.

To OP, if you are only hitting 20k then the issue is your build. The sets that exist currently allow 25k+ with little to no effort. I feel if you optimize things better you would see better results despite the conditions you are dealing with (no disrespect I wish you luck in the endeavor)

As far a DPS requirement for content I would say if you can maintain 35k then no one will complain if you are shooting for vet trail progression groups going for clears (not score runs mind you). Of course you could search for like minded individuals and the stipulations would likely be easier to obtain.

Yes you should get burned for such a comment.

For the average player, especially someone with Carpal Tunnel restricting the speed and consistency of their physical button pressing, just putting a build together to magically do 25k dps on a 3m or 6m dummy, is pie in the sky for a variety of reasons.

Perhaps if you have full CPs allocated correctly, a tried & tested build and rotation, can LA weave effectively, have gold or at least purple gear, and practice plenty... maybe. But that does not describe the average player in any way shape or form.

Kesstryl · November 2019

I also have carpal tunnel and can't dps properly. I tend to run healers and tanks in group content. I wonder if there are any guilds out there for slowies like us who have disabilities or are too old for fast reflexes that want to group up without pressure. Maybe some of us could start one?

MJallday · November 2019

You can enjoy this game without doing the vet and end game content.

Vet and endgame can br salty at the best of times anyway, so your probably better off!

Enjoy the normal delves, quests , daily’s and crafting .

I’m personally on a break from end game stuff and I’m doing the DLC fishing areas.

Zephard · November 2019

Vet and endgame can be salty? The game can be salty really?

Let me think about what people have told me lately, uh, you have to do at least X damage to do vet trials. If you are not doing X damage, then you shouldn't be doing vet trials.

As far as I know there is not a single trial that requires each individual to do a dps test. So as such, if you need Z amount of dps to kill the boss that would be the amount the group is doing, not individuals. So if one person is doing 80K and a 2nd person is doing 20K, then they average 50K. The only problems come when everyone is doing 15K.

What I find salty is the other players expecting to much from the equivalent of a pug, and wanting it to be on par for leaderboards.

The original poster wasn't asking for leaderboards. She is not requesting prog group.

To find a guild, of people who want to do vet content, to get the rewards that Z has decided to lock away behind said harder content, and have fun enjoying the content in an understanding way is what is needed.

A full group of only the handicap will make guild with mostly understanding folks, but a mix of high dps with those of handicapped capabilities will be a guild that can accomplish a lot more.

I know my limitations, I have adapted, and seek out those who can compensate, yet don't feel I am a loser who should go play other stuff. I don't feel I am carried. Cause I am doing my best, and am not playing this as a professional, but as a gamer.

Just like I don't tell people that they should only play tanks and healers, even though that is what I mostly do (cause I really enjoy the roles), because not everyone enjoys the role.