I don't get why people say that es6 will be the death of eso

GrimTheReaper45 · November 2019

Eso will be gone long before Tes6 even launches if the devs dont fix performance.

All TES6 is going to do is harm Bethesda's reputation further in the eyes of its core audience. Hate to be that cynical about it, I suppose they could get there act together but I doubt it. Think that Zeni Media has become real involved with Beth studios and zos in recent years. Even If they do I dont think there going to have time to make it as good as it needs to be.

As much as we all complain about eso, its CARRYING zeni media and its subsidiaries as a whole right now. Last hit was like doom? Rage 2 did bad, Woldenstien was a flop, 76 was a trainwreck. They have NOTHING this year. Star field is almost guaranteed doa. There isnt much hyper for it, even in the beth fan boi audience. Like when that was the last trailer the e3 it was relieved everyone was disappointed it wasnt tes6. That is the audience that was gunna buy starfield. 1/3 of them are gone after 76, the other 2/3's are going to be super hesitant about buying it and are gunna wait for reviews. Everyone remotely involved in the gaming is gunna pick that apart, every bug, every bad texture or line of dialog, the engine, frame rate. Its all under a microscope. Point being beth is definitely hurting money wise with no sign of it getting better until Tes6 and there not going to want to delay that to make sure it comes out polished.

CiliPadi · November 2019

Just you watch TES6 will be laden with microtransactions or go the same direction as Fallout 76. I have no big hopes for it. Really.

Glurin · November 2019

Like many others, Fallout 76 killed my enthusiasm for TES6. Killed it, wrapped it in plastic, encased it in concrete and dumped it off a tall bridge into a deep and murky river. All that's left is for Bethesda to announce that the publisher for TES6 will be EA.

Bethesda's gonna have to really knock this one out of the park just to begin rebuilding the good will they've lost.

rpa · November 2019

I expect TES6 will be an always online single player game with ingame shop, lots of DLC, and paid mods (all free mods thru official server only because monetization). With large landscape, thinly spread bland content and massive abundance of bugs.

Asardes · November 2019

AFAIK Doom, Wolfenstein and Rage series are only published by Bethesda. They are developed by a (now) sister company, ID. The first 2 began in the early 1990s when ID was independent. Zenimax bought it a few years ago.

Bekkael · November 2019

3 years ago, I would have absolutely agreed. I would have also eagerly preordered TES6 in the shiniest collector edition available, but not anymore. BGS were never perfect (horse armor anyone?), but they were still making amazing games I could lose myself in and adventure for countless hours. Until they changed to the same model as EA and Activison, and all the other bloodsucking corporate models that have proceeded to drain every drop of joy out of gaming as a hobby.

I mean, I bought a flippin’ Xbox 360 JUST to play Oblivion when it released! I know I’m not the only one either, because when you make amazing games, people will forgive your buggy faults and fix your crap for you! Which is exactly what the community has done for Bethesda, over and over again. I admired the studio and devs and bought everything they put out, but after watching them for the past couple years, and with the whole 76 debacle, there’s not a snowball’s chance in hell that I will buy a game made by Bethesda now. I never thought it would come to that, but it definitely has. I think many fans have come to the realization that if they ever do release TES6, it won’t even be worth playing, much less buying. Probably lots of people will still blindly buy, but not me. It definitely feels like it’s the end of an era.

So, it’s strange, because I came to ESO (my first and only MMO if you don’t count my brief foray into Destiny) because I loved single player TES. I’ve stayed for these 3 years because ESO is awesome. When things aren’t broken, and the devs aren’t hitting everything in sight with the nerf bat, this is a wonderful, incredible experience of a game. Yes, there are some things about it I don’t absolutely love, but there’s so much more about it I do love that those things don’t matter much. Now, as to whether I continue my sub in the new year, that depends on if ZOS can fix things back to at least pre-Elsweyr, performance wise. But I don’t think I will ever fully leave. Not until they turn off the servers and shut the game down for good.

TL;DR - This former single player only TES superfan is staying right here in ESO-land. Darien still needs me, and I just made a new character last night. There’s horse training to do and lots of crafting writs in her future. 🥰😛😉

OtarTheMad · November 2019

I used to say TES6 will kill this game but with the release date looking like 2021-2022 or even further I can't say that anymore. Bethesda has had some big flops recently (just take FO76 out behind the shed and end it, I mean seriously) and if Starfield flops too (keep in mind that is said to be next game NOT tes6) That will be a huge blow for them. I will probably play TES6 but I am not as hyped about it as I once was because the date just keeps getting pushed out.

MCBIZZLE300 · November 2019

I'm not hyped for tes6 at all and probably won't get it, Unless it uses a complete new game engine itl be tes-76. A complete disaster in other words.

xenowarrior92eb17_ESO · November 2019

the way Bethesda handles things...ES6...I think F76 at launch will be GOTY in comparison

RinaldoGandolphi · November 2019

The reason why most folks think ESO will end when the TES6 comes out is because of market cannibalization

To sum it up:

'In marketing strategy, cannibalization refers to a reduction in sales volume, sales revenue, or market share of one product as a result of the introduction of a new product by the same producer."

Its poor marketing, and its poor business to release a new TES Title while currently having another TES title running as the focus. Bethesda/Zenimax Media stand to LOSE MONEY, LOTS OF MONEY by not having TES6 as the exclusive TES title. The only reason TES Blades and Legends are going is because they have nothing to do with ESO or the single player titles. They are more mobile/card games, they are focused at a completely different audience. Blades and Legends are more companion games than anything else.

I would be very surprised to see ESO still being around when TES6 launches. This is part of why Firor said they were "free and clear for awhile" last year. You figure 2022-2023 release for TES6 (Since it will come after Starfield), and ZOS has been working on a new game for a few years now, this makes sense.

Pete Hines and Co. are not going to cannibalize their market by leaving both ESO and TES6 at the same time...They stand to lose too much money from this. This would be like Chevy discontinuing the Chevy Cruze, yet continuing to sell them for a few years directly competing with their new car line at a reduced price, they simply won't do that. they will sell and clear out their Cruze inventory before debuting the new car to replace the Cruze.

Honestly, I don't know why more people are not more excited about ZOS new game. This will be the game where they learn from their mistakes with ESO, things will improve, performance issues probably won't be a problem in the new game because they have accounted for it and were able to re-write things from the ground up. Furthermore, don't forget that Matt Firor was a key part of Mythic Games and Dark Age of Camelot, Im sure the guy has a lot of good fundamental ideas that he couldn't implement in ESO. the fact they are creating a brand new game, and won't be saddled with TES lore could prove to very lucrative and a very fund experience.

Firor and Co have been working on ESO since 2007, thats 12 years...by 2021 thats 14 years...burnout is real, and simply put ZOS will have earned the right to sunset ESO and work on something else after working on ESO for over a decade...thats an eternity...these folks are artists, making games is an art form, they deserve a chance to flex their creative muscle...just think....works of art like Horizon Zero Dawn would have never happened had those devs been pigeonholed holed into the same thing everyday.

ZOS has a pretty bright future, ESO won't be the end for them nor define them, the future holds a lot of excitement for them, and you should be excited to on their next offering.

Cavedog · November 2019

The death of ESO will be the lag, fps drops and censorship on the forms when anyone discusses these perennial issues.

valkyrie93 · November 2019

RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »

The reason why most folks think ESO will end when the TES6 comes out is because of market cannibalization

To sum it up:

'In marketing strategy, cannibalization refers to a reduction in sales volume, sales revenue, or market share of one product as a result of the introduction of a new product by the same producer."

Its poor marketing, and its poor business to release a new TES Title while currently having another TES title running as the focus. Bethesda/Zenimax Media stand to LOSE MONEY, LOTS OF MONEY by not having TES6 as the exclusive TES title. The only reason TES Blades and Legends are going is because they have nothing to do with ESO or the single player titles. They are more mobile/card games, they are focused at a completely different audience. Blades and Legends are more companion games than anything else.

I would be very surprised to see ESO still being around when TES6 launches. This is part of why Firor said they were "free and clear for awhile" last year. You figure 2022-2023 release for TES6 (Since it will come after Starfield), and ZOS has been working on a new game for a few years now, this makes sense.

Pete Hines and Co. are not going to cannibalize their market by leaving both ESO and TES6 at the same time...They stand to lose too much money from this. This would be like Chevy discontinuing the Chevy Cruze, yet continuing to sell them for a few years directly competing with their new car line at a reduced price, they simply won't do that. they will sell and clear out their Cruze inventory before debuting the new car to replace the Cruze.

Honestly, I don't know why more people are not more excited about ZOS new game. This will be the game where they learn from their mistakes with ESO, things will improve, performance issues probably won't be a problem in the new game because they have accounted for it and were able to re-write things from the ground up. Furthermore, don't forget that Matt Firor was a key part of Mythic Games and Dark Age of Camelot, Im sure the guy has a lot of good fundamental ideas that he couldn't implement in ESO. the fact they are creating a brand new game, and won't be saddled with TES lore could prove to very lucrative and a very fund experience.

Firor and Co have been working on ESO since 2007, thats 12 years...by 2021 thats 14 years...burnout is real, and simply put ZOS will have earned the right to sunset ESO and work on something else after working on ESO for over a decade...thats an eternity...these folks are artists, making games is an art form, they deserve a chance to flex their creative muscle...just think....works of art like Horizon Zero Dawn would have never happened had those devs been pigeonholed holed into the same thing everyday.

ZOS has a pretty bright future, ESO won't be the end for them nor define them, the future holds a lot of excitement for them, and you should be excited to on their next offering.

This was probably the most realistic and reasonable sounding comment I've seen on this topic actually. I think you might be right but no one knows exactly what will happen. Can't say I'll look forward to ZOS new game though since I have a strong attachment to eso, at least right now, so will be really sad to see it end. Thanks for taking the time to write that

siddique · November 2019

Eso is it's own death. Their "balance" unlike the in-game skill isn't stopping at 1 percent health.

craybest · November 2019

don't you know? everything is the death of ESO (and other MMOs)
I play ESO, GW2, BDO, and DCUO, and you know what they all have in common? forums filled with people saying the game is dying. guess what? all MMOs are slowly dying, from the moment they're created. just not yet.

Finedaible · November 2019

Cavedog wrote: »

The death of ESO will be the lag, fps drops and censorship on the forms when anyone discusses these perennial issues.

You can add excessive 'micro'-transactions to that list. The continued emphasis on the crown store (cash shop) and gamble crates will eventually take over the gameplay and create a bad image for the game. Cash shop is already offering skill-line unlocks to remediate lackluster skill line progression.

svartorn · November 2019

I'll be able to play ES6 when ESO servers are down.

Which will no doubt be 7 days a week.

Sandman929 · November 2019

ZOS will be the death of ESO. There is incredible potential coupled with neglect, indifference and short-sighted greed.

Gythral · November 2019

More like ESO (and Fallout 76) will be the death of ES6, due to the stigma attached to the recent unresolved failings...

JumpmanLane · November 2019

bmnoble wrote: »

Elder Scrolls 6 will likely divert the attention of a lot of players only playing ESO for the story who will vanish/become much less active for a month or six then come back once they have explored every part of Elder Scrolls 6 until the first DLC and popular mods start appearing, then they will vanish again.

Just think of how many hours some people have put into Skyrim if the new Elder Scrolls lives up to that as a good sequel, you will get a lot of people only logging into ESO for the daily log rewards/daily writs for quite some time.

What will be the death of ESO is performance issues.

Skyrim has unfixed bugs in it TO THIS DAY! Lol. For REAL!

karekiz · November 2019

I 100% believe Fallout 76 was testing grounds for future Elder Scrolls title. It was just such a random entry into the series and seemed like a test bed of ideas.

CiliPadi · November 2019

karekiz wrote: »

I 100% believe Fallout 76 was testing grounds for future Elder Scrolls title. It was just such a random entry into the series and seemed like a test bed of ideas.

Test bed of BAD ideas ;-P

JumpmanLane · November 2019

Well for me, I’m enjoying ESO. I’ll play ES:6 of course. I’m just not playing ES:6 at launch. Really, until I can mod it til it crashes I’m good. Tho I do look forward to ES:6, I’m sticking with ESO.

jazsper77 · November 2019

As helpful to other players and patient with ZOS shortcomings, This community is very naive when it comes to ESO. Whether it’s population decline,poor performance,bugs/glitches, terrible communication.

40% of the players of ESO are only playing this because it’s TES/Skyrim. PERIOD , not because it’s a mmo

40% are playing it because of the lack of MMOs on console

15% are bot acts

5% are free to play accounts.

Any other thinking besides the about is Rainbows and Unicorns 🦄

We all have invested a lot into this game and get a lot less in return from ZOS.

But to think this game will survive as long as WOW or Grow as Big as Warframe or not take a HUGE player drop when the TES6 drops is wishful thinking.

Kiralyn2000 · November 2019

Gilvoth wrote: »

love elderscrolls series, but i want to see other real life people playing around me instead of just being solo with dumb NPC's.

Honestly, I much prefer dumb NPCs to the even-dumber random real life people running around doing silly things.

jazsper77 wrote: »

But to think this game will survive as long as WOW or Grow as Big as Warframe or not take a HUGE player drop when the TES6 drops is wishful thinking.

I'm sure players will drop when TES6 comes out - and then they'll come back when they're 'done' with TES6 & something new comes out for ESO. Just like they drop when <any other popular game> comes out. You think that the only other games ESO players care about are TES games?
(and the kind of people who will never be 'done' with TES6, and who sink 1000's of hours into Morrowind, Oblivion, Skyrim, etc? They're still playing those other games, sinking 1000's of hours into them.)

I "leave" this game for other things all the time. And, because it's a no-sub-required game, I come back for events, zone releases, sales....

Alomar · November 2019

This game is no longer developed for hardcore players who favor features like raids (trials) or other largescale pve & pvp content. For years development has been small increments of dungeons, tiny default pve (delve, world boss, quests, discovery) zones, and chapters that are just a larger scale of increased amounts of default pve. The players this content caters to are casual pve'ers and roleplayers. That happens to be a very similar overlap with demographics who play single player rpg's, as many of these players do very little multiplayer while playing ESO.

I think the decision to push ES6 so far down the development pipeline for Bethesda was directly linked to keeping ESO as the "place to be" for the long-lasting modding/replaying ES games community.

Starlock · November 2019

Glurin wrote: »

Like many others, Fallout 76 killed my enthusiasm for TES6. Killed it, wrapped it in plastic, encased it in concrete and dumped it off a tall bridge into a deep and murky river. All that's left is for Bethesda to announce that the publisher for TES6 will be EA.

Bethesda's gonna have to really knock this one out of the park just to begin rebuilding the good will they've lost.

What's sad is that it wouldn't actually be that hard to start rebuilding all the goodwill NOW. They choose not to because, just like in ESO, there are plenty of idiots who just do not recognize they are being conned. Sorry... I shouldn't frame it that way. It isn't a matter of idiocy. The monetization is predatory and exploits human psychology. Many of the folks who support this stuff are unwitting victims who don't grasp how their behavior is making video games worse for all of us (including themselves). And it's not that we don't want to see our beloved franchises be profitable. We do. But we also want to see them be good fun instead of sleazy microtransaction rackets. Bringing mobile, free-to-play monetization into proper video games has been the worst development of this console generation by a landslide.

ChunkyCat · December 2019

This will be the death of ESO:

https://youtu.be/Na4MWetfN8Q

May 26, 2020

craybest · December 2019

i don't know, open world sandbox games can be cool, but when it's just build things and destroy things others builds, it's not either my or many other's kind of game. I like MMOs to cooperate with others in slaying big monsters and doing fun quests with good stories, not spend hours crafting or whatever. but to each their own.

Finedaible · December 2019

ChunkyCat wrote: »

This will be the death of ESO:

https://youtu.be/Na4MWetfN8Q

May 26, 2020

Yours is a bit of a necro-post, but it looks intriguing. If it doesn't have the same sleazy monetization schemes and gamble crates as ESO, I'd give it a chance.

ecru · December 2019

es6 will probably be delayed years beyond it's release "date"