Will there be character transfers for Stadia?

LegacyDM · November 2019

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom

Really interested in what stadia brings to the table. I'm curious, will you guys be offering character transfers? Even if its a one time deal. Don't want to start over and really want to migrate to stadia.

nafensoriel · November 2019

Since stadia is PC based... what makes you think they require new servers?

Siohwenoeht · November 2019

Afaik, stadia just offers alternate access. It's not a separate server so no migration required.

LegacyDM · November 2019

nafensoriel wrote: »

Since stadia is PC based... what makes you think they require new servers?

Because Stadia is based on google data centers strategically located in different geographic locations to support close proximity to ISP's as edge nodes. I image that ZoS would port the server code over to a google data center/server farm.

Do you think everyone will just be accessing the servers directly from texas? No. The population will be accessing google data centers.

So. My question is will our character files be migrated to the new servers located in the google farms? If that is truly how it works...

Nyladreas · November 2019

I feel like stadia is going to be such a huge fail 😂 another overhyped service. You folks should stop getting so excited.

Saelent · November 2019

Stadia is a console system without the physical console, a separate account will be required.

For ESO transfers...according to something I read ages ago (so plz don’t ask me to find it) the ‘server templates’ or some such were blank when the account transfers were made to consoles originally, which is why any and all transfer requests get denied these days.

You will also have to pay full price for games and the release of Stadia does not include ESO immediately, would have to wait a while.
Also have to play with a controller as far as I have been able to find out and said controllers aren’t cheap.

LegacyDM · November 2019

Nyladreas wrote: »

I feel like stadia is going to be such a huge fail 😂 another overhyped service. You folks should stop getting so excited.

i don't think so. Google has the server capacity and the large ISPs have the bandwidth to stream as advertised. Why would it fail? If anything it would prevent hacking because no client side stuff would work and potentially decrease server lag. Since servers will be closer to you geographically.

Siohwenoeht · November 2019

LegacyDM wrote: »

nafensoriel wrote: »

Since stadia is PC based... what makes you think they require new servers?

Because Stadia is based on google data centers strategically located in different geographic locations to support close proximity to ISP's as edge nodes. I image that ZoS would port the server code over to a google data center/server farm.

Do you think everyone will just be accessing the servers directly from texas? No. The population will be accessing google data centers.

So. My question is will our character files be migrated to the new servers located in the google farms? If that is truly how it works...

Again, I'm almost 100% certain that's not how it works. The nodes are there to provide connection to the existing servers. You are essentially using Google computers as a virtual rig. The biggest reason to use this service is to mitigate the problems with having a lesser PC rig.

phaneub17_ESO · November 2019

It'll be the PC server, just without Addons.

LegacyDM · November 2019

Siohwenoeht wrote: »

LegacyDM wrote: »

nafensoriel wrote: »

Since stadia is PC based... what makes you think they require new servers?

Because Stadia is based on google data centers strategically located in different geographic locations to support close proximity to ISP's as edge nodes. I image that ZoS would port the server code over to a google data center/server farm.

Do you think everyone will just be accessing the servers directly from texas? No. The population will be accessing google data centers.

So. My question is will our character files be migrated to the new servers located in the google farms? If that is truly how it works...

Again, I'm almost 100% certain that's not how it works. The nodes are there to provide connection to the existing servers. You are essentially using Google computers as a virtual rig. The biggest reason to use this service is to mitigate the problems with having a lesser PC rig.

Could be right. Since this is releasing pretty soon, would be cool to get some details from ZoS on how it will work and if character transfers are not necessary.

bearbelly · November 2019

When will it be available on Stadia? Wasn't ESO one of the games that missed the cut for 2019 release?
And, then, I didn't see a date given for when it would be released. I'm assuming sometime in 2020...

I'm just curious, so I can have my popcorn ready.

Nyladreas · November 2019

LegacyDM wrote: »

Nyladreas wrote: »

I feel like stadia is going to be such a huge fail 😂 another overhyped service. You folks should stop getting so excited.

i don't think so. Google has the server capacity and the large ISPs have the bandwidth to stream as advertised. Why would it fail? If anything it would prevent hacking because no client side stuff would work and potentially decrease server lag. Since servers will be closer to you geographically.

Nah, I won't believe it until I see it. That's the only thing that may change my opinion. Also, Google =/= good service automatically. They've had a bunch of not small hiccups over the course of its existence.

Siohwenoeht · November 2019

@LegacyDM

Here is an article that kind of outlines how it works:
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidjagneaux/2019/11/12/elder-scrolls-online-launches-on-google-stadia-in-2020-featuring-cross-play-with-pcmac-players/amp/&ved=2ahUKEwjP6bGs0vLlAhUHY6wKHSdnATcQFjAOegQIAhAB&usg=AOvVaw3ZP5W7gUAQOiMqnqwfRFts&ampcf=1

They say it's the equivalent of using steam to login instead of the standard launcher.

nafensoriel · November 2019

LegacyDM wrote: »

nafensoriel wrote: »

Since stadia is PC based... what makes you think they require new servers?

Because Stadia is based on google data centers strategically located in different geographic locations to support close proximity to ISP's as edge nodes. I image that ZoS would port the server code over to a google data center/server farm.

Do you think everyone will just be accessing the servers directly from texas? No. The population will be accessing google data centers.

So. My question is will our character files be migrated to the new servers located in the google farms? If that is truly how it works...

That's... not what stadia is.

All Google has to do is host the PC client code on their servers and then stream that client to you. Your login in the same. The server is the same. The software is the same.

Why on God's green earth would you ever think anyone would be so monumentally stupid as to build a cloud platform and require all software to be exclusively made for it? That's a surefire way to watch the platform die in infancy.

/edit
To help clarify...
Right now you go:
ESO>YOU>ESO

With stadia you go:
ESO>Stadia>You>Stadia>ESO

If you really think it's going to reduce latency I have some swampland in Florida to sell you. Get it fast before high tide!
Latency is mostly determined by processing power and distance. You cant overwrite distance and any amount of processing added to the chain will cause more latency not less. At best Stadia will normalize latency at a higher but stable range. It won't reduce it unless your ISP has really really bad pathing.

oddbasket · November 2019

LegacyDM wrote: »

nafensoriel wrote: »

Since stadia is PC based... what makes you think they require new servers?

Because Stadia is based on google data centers strategically located in different geographic locations to support close proximity to ISP's as edge nodes. I image that ZoS would port the server code over to a google data center/server farm.

Do you think everyone will just be accessing the servers directly from texas? No. The population will be accessing google data centers.

So. My question is will our character files be migrated to the new servers located in the google farms? If that is truly how it works...

That just means Google servers store the client, you run Stadia to run the client on Google's server, and it connects you to the same ESO servers we have now.

Mitrenga · November 2019

I'm almost 100% sure that you will not be able to use addons, if you connect from Stadia. Besides, Stadia launch is far from good. Many features that have been promised, aren't there (this is actually a similarity with ZOS and Beth).

https://kotaku.com/google-confirms-all-the-stuff-stadia-wont-have-at-launc-1839839278
https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2019/11/only-12-games-will-be-available-on-google-stadia-in-time-for-nov-19-launch/

Lady_Linux · November 2019

Saelent wrote: »

Stadia is a console system without the physical console, a separate account will be required.

For ESO transfers...according to something I read ages ago (so plz don’t ask me to find it) the ‘server templates’ or some such were blank when the account transfers were made to consoles originally, which is why any and all transfer requests get denied these days.

You will also have to pay full price for games and the release of Stadia does not include ESO immediately, would have to wait a while.
Also have to play with a controller as far as I have been able to find out and said controllers aren’t cheap.

Stadia is not a console it is another streaming service like nvidias and many others. Please dont swallow all that marketing hype... it's bad for your digestion...

essi2 · November 2019

Some games, f.ex. Destiny 2, will have separate servers/instances and logins for Stadia users(bad idea).

Hopefully this is not the norm and just a flaccid attempt at having a 'killer app' for launch.

A separate ESO server for Stadia users would be a huge waste of resources.

EDIT: Looks like the plan for Destiny 2 is to eventually have Cross-Save and Google is open to Destiny 2 being Cross-Play.

idk · November 2019

nafensoriel wrote: »

Since stadia is PC based... what makes you think they require new servers?

Last I had read Matt Firor said there would be cross play but they had not determined if their would be cross save which is what OP is essentially wanting.

https://twinfinite.net/2019/08/elder-scrolls-online-stadia-switch/

Stadia will not be a panacea. Anyone playing on it will have to have large data usage available to them since at 1080P gaming via Stadia will consume 270GG in just 30 hours. Also, no word on addons or even the ability to access addons. If that is the case Stadia will be at a great disadvantage.

Have no idea why anyone playing on PC would want to ditch the computer and go Stadia. I do not see it offering anything.

If OP is asking about console to PC/Stadia transfers that is doubtful. Zos has expressed before they are not interested in copying accounts to a live server.

Edit: Forbes recently tried to get an updated no this matter and Zos confirmed again about the cross play but said they had no update on the cross save. If they had no update for that recent article it is doubtful they will have anything to say here.

Also, ESO will not be added to that platform until an undetermined date in 2020.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidjagneaux/2019/11/12/elder-scrolls-online-launches-on-google-stadia-in-2020-featuring-cross-play-with-pcmac-players/#36d5bcb96e59

idk · November 2019

LegacyDM wrote: »

nafensoriel wrote: »

Since stadia is PC based... what makes you think they require new servers?

Because Stadia is based on google data centers strategically located in different geographic locations to support close proximity to ISP's as edge nodes. I image that ZoS would port the server code over to a google data center/server farm.

Do you think everyone will just be accessing the servers directly from texas? No. The population will be accessing google data centers.

So. My question is will our character files be migrated to the new servers located in the google farms? If that is truly how it works...

Zos servers will remain in Texas. So you will be playing on Google servers via long distance to Zos servers. Zos will not be porting their code.

xXRickyBobby89Xx · January 2020

Stadia plays AMAZING. I’m absolutely in love with the unlimited storage. Not being restricted by a physical hard drive and having to delete games is game changing. Destiny 2 and NBA2k20 play better on the platform than on my PS4 Pro and my Xbox X. The Stadia levels the playing field for PVP games where latency can lead to unfair competition. I truly hope ZeniMax puts a full effort into making ESO successful on the Stadia because I feel like Stadia is the future and I love ESO.

wolfie1.0. · January 2020

xXRickyBobby89Xx wrote: »

Stadia plays AMAZING. I’m absolutely in love with the unlimited storage. Not being restricted by a physical hard drive and having to delete games is game changing. Destiny 2 and NBA2k20 play better on the platform than on my PS4 Pro and my Xbox X. The Stadia levels the playing field for PVP games where latency can lead to unfair competition. I truly hope ZeniMax puts a full effort into making ESO successful on the Stadia because I feel like Stadia is the future and I love ESO.

And exactly how many other people are you playing with?

Stadia style gaming may be the future, but Stadia might not live long enough to see it.

EmEm_Oh · January 2020

idk wrote: »

LegacyDM wrote: »

nafensoriel wrote: »

Since stadia is PC based... what makes you think they require new servers?

Because Stadia is based on google data centers strategically located in different geographic locations to support close proximity to ISP's as edge nodes. I image that ZoS would port the server code over to a google data center/server farm.

Do you think everyone will just be accessing the servers directly from texas? No. The population will be accessing google data centers.

So. My question is will our character files be migrated to the new servers located in the google farms? If that is truly how it works...

Zos servers will remain in Texas. So you will be playing on Google servers via long distance to Zos servers. Zos will not be porting their code.

GOOGLESO

Starlock · January 2020

wtlonewolf20 wrote: »

xXRickyBobby89Xx wrote: »

Stadia plays AMAZING. I’m absolutely in love with the unlimited storage. Not being restricted by a physical hard drive and having to delete games is game changing. Destiny 2 and NBA2k20 play better on the platform than on my PS4 Pro and my Xbox X. The Stadia levels the playing field for PVP games where latency can lead to unfair competition. I truly hope ZeniMax puts a full effort into making ESO successful on the Stadia because I feel like Stadia is the future and I love ESO.

And exactly how many other people are you playing with?

Stadia style gaming may be the future, but Stadia might not live long enough to see it.

That's probably a shill account. It necroed this thread and has all of two posts. I wouldn't take it seriously. All the more reliable commentators I've seen have noted that schmoggle schmadia is going to be completely irrelevant when next gen consoles release. Xbox is already going to be doing a far superior version of this and even better they understand that it needs to be optional to consumers, not forced.

svartorn · January 2020

Never trust Google to keep up a service they launch.

Too many failed projects.

AhPook_Is_Here · January 2020

LegacyDM wrote: »

Nyladreas wrote: »

I feel like stadia is going to be such a huge fail 😂 another overhyped service. You folks should stop getting so excited.

i don't think so. Google has the server capacity and the large ISPs have the bandwidth to stream as advertised. Why would it fail? If anything it would prevent hacking because no client side stuff would work and potentially decrease server lag. Since servers will be closer to you geographically.

And while all that is great, what's best is you will have almost a point to point connection the data center, its going to be like your WAN, to your ISP, to Google. I'd guess you'll be able to get 15-20ms pings if not better. I haven't bought into it yet, but all my consoles are obsolete, so that is the way I'm looking, and it would be nice in a year or two when my gaming machine is getting old i can just go full stadia, depending on peripheral support for things like HOTAS and VR systems.

quantumartist · May 2020

xXRickyBobby89Xx wrote: »

Stadia plays AMAZING. I’m absolutely in love with the unlimited storage. Not being restricted by a physical hard drive and having to delete games is game changing. Destiny 2 and NBA2k20 play better on the platform than on my PS4 Pro and my Xbox X. The Stadia levels the playing field for PVP games where latency can lead to unfair competition. I truly hope ZeniMax puts a full effort into making ESO successful on the Stadia because I feel like Stadia is the future and I love ESO.

100%! Got the stadia founders edition soon as I heard about it and I LOVE Stadia. Played quite a few different games on it, and it's just awesome. It runs full speed. There is no latency that I can perceive, and I'm playing first person shooters all the time. Before Covid hit, my wife and I would travel between the US and Canada frequently. I could play on my TV in either of our homes, or in random hotels... as long as I bring my Chromecast and controller I can pick up right where I left off! Like you said, I no longer need to pay for a monster game machine to see a gorgeous game like Red Dead Redemption in full 4k. Doesn't overheat my laptop or phone. Yes, you can even play on certain phones!

You're right also, streaming is the future and Google has the resources to make it happen. Whole industry is going this way whether the baseless haters like it or not.

This all said, all my ESO progress is on Xbox and I'm more than a little annoyed that I can't port my account over.

quantumartist · May 2020

Nyladreas wrote: »

I feel like stadia is going to be such a huge fail 😂 another overhyped service. You folks should stop getting so excited.

I feel you don't know what you're talking about and you should then go get a free trial for 2 months on Stadia. Otherwise you should just stop talking.