Shadowy Disguise
Hi,
I have a question on shadowy disguise.
When I use a skill like Veiled Strike it seems to crit only if I attack from behind.
It also only crits when I open the fight. If I use Shadowy Disguise during battle it hardly never crits with any attack.
The tooltip does not mention anything about positioning and that you have to be out of combat to make the crit happen.
Is this intended to be like that?
Edited by flo_wb16_ESO on April 12, 2014 6:49AM I have a question on shadowy disguise.
When I use a skill like Veiled Strike it seems to crit only if I attack from behind.
It also only crits when I open the fight. If I use Shadowy Disguise during battle it hardly never crits with any attack.
The tooltip does not mention anything about positioning and that you have to be out of combat to make the crit happen.
Is this intended to be like that?
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after testing more on this topic and using combat addons it looks like the crit is applied but the crit dmg multiplier does not work
So dmg is like a standard attack ...1 -
Xaei✭✭✭Wait, so it crits but you have a crit multiplier of 1 no matter what your actual multiplier is?0
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Hm seems the crit multiplier is much higher when doing an opener from out of combat. With 165 weapon Dmg in stealth I crit for around 1.5k with veiled strike. In combat where weapon dmg goes down to 150 I only crit for raround 500 with shadowy disguised activated and using veiled strike.0
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Galeon✭✭Stealth seems to have a different crit multiplier then invisibility. Using the Conceiled Weapon morph from stealth I usually crit for around 1200, using Conceiled Weapon after Shadowy Disguise I only crit for around 400.
But the more important thing is that Conceiled Weapon will still stun the target when used from invisibility (if the target is stunnable).0 -
R0M2K✭✭✭✭I stopped using this skill at all
- 2.5 secs is too short
- when invis ends you should be in shealth mode, wich is not the case
- Lower dmg than shealth
Yet another pointless skill for Nightblade.3 -
Duration becomes a bit longer by skilling last passive of shadow but I agree with staying in stealth after using that or at least getting the stealth dmg buff.
There seems to be not much love for this kind of playstyle 0 -
ryands60✭@flo_wb16_ESO, @R0M2K: You simply need to press your hide button while under the effects of shadowy disguise and you will remain in a stealth state when the effects end. You guys are thinking it should be like WOW to much where vanish puts you in stealth, when really the way it currently works is quite effective.
The way I run it when I feel like being a stealth ganker - open with ambush and/or suprise attack depending how close to the target I can get (always from behind), proceed to smash face - then shadowy disguise, sprint away for 2 seconds, drop into hide and chill out on a rock or behind a tree while his friends wonder what just happened. Where you will run into issues is if a mage buddy has magelight up, or if a friend of the target has piercing mark - both of which make hide completely useless.
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Drathmar✭I agree after some time of using it that it is bad, for a few reasons:
1) It costs way to much to ever be used how you would want to use it in longer fights (pop it to use veiled/concealed weapon for stun).
2) You cannot chain an attack after it immediately there is a slight 1 second delay.
3) The damage bonus from invisibility seems to be a lot less than from normal stealth. Which I can see why since invisibility is possible in combat.
The only use for it is the stun from concealed weapon which you still get from normal stealth anyway. You just aren't able to stun in the middle of combat.
That and in PvP I can see it being very useful with dark cloak.0 -
GwaynLoki✭✭✭I stopped using this skill at all
- 2.5 secs is too short
- when invis ends you should be in shealth mode, wich is not the case
- Lower dmg than shealth
Yet another pointless skill for Nightblade.
Except that with the passives you can gain additional stamina regeneration, gain increased armor and spell resistance and even set up a Veiled Strike attack that does crit damage and stuns. And it allows you to drop aggro for some time and heal up. Other than that it's indeed pointless.Edited by GwaynLoki on April 16, 2014 9:01AM0 -
killedbyping✭✭✭✭When you start the fight from sneaking, you have an Ambush bonus dmg, not crit or something.
Ambush basicaly give 3x damage multiplier to any attack or skill you use and stun for a short duration. Not sure if ambush can proc a Crit at the same time so dmg would go up to x5.
When you use Shadow Disguise you only get your regular crit bonus multi which is about 2x -/+ depending on your critical strike rating.
Shadow Disguise sure give you a 100% chance to crit bonus. You can clearly see that your attack was critical if you use combat log.
Howere, critical bonus multi seems to be x1 so you actualy do regular dmg.
P.S. Does anyone ever saw any regular attack critical ? I'm pretty sure the problem is not Shadow Disguise, but the crit multiplier being broken in general for any types of attack or skills.Edited by killedbyping on April 16, 2014 11:35AM0 -
Daendur✭✭✭
- Critical strike hits for 150% of normal attack (so basically if you hit for 100 dmg you'll crit for 150).
- Shadowy disguise will grant you that critical + a stun if you use Veiled Strike + shadow barrier and all other stealth related skills.
- Attacking when crouched (not detected) with back positioning (with a real large angle ~180°) will grant you an additional damage bonus.
I think the in-combat stealth is really powerfull, not sure about the morph,; a 100% critical is strong but removing 4 dots seems to be pretty strong too.0 -
killedbyping✭✭✭✭
- Critical strike hits for 150% of normal attack (so basically if you hit for 100 dmg you'll crit for 150).
- Shadowy disguise will grant you that critical + a stun if you use Veiled Strike + shadow barrier and all other stealth related skills.
- Attacking when crouched (not detected) with back positioning (with a real large angle ~180°) will grant you an additional damage bonus.
I think the in-combat stealth is really powerfull, not sure about the morph,; a 100% critical is strong but removing 4 dots seems to be pretty strong too.
Pleae do not misslead people.
Critical strike gives bonus compared to your critical rating, not 150%.
Attacking when crouched (while sneaking) called Ambush and give straight 3x bonus damage to any attack or skill. Your position against target DO NOT play any role there.
If your skills which improve undetected range allow you to do so, you can actualy Ambush enemy right in his face.
For example, if you use 2H you can hit opponent from 2 times larger distance compared to DW. Or oyu can use Uppercut while sneaking which can be used from 3x larger distance compared to DW.
Edited by killedbyping on April 16, 2014 12:47PM0 -
Daendur✭✭✭killedbyping wrote: »
- Critical strike hits for 150% of normal attack (so basically if you hit for 100 dmg you'll crit for 150).
- Shadowy disguise will grant you that critical + a stun if you use Veiled Strike + shadow barrier and all other stealth related skills.
- Attacking when crouched (not detected) with back positioning (with a real large angle ~180°) will grant you an additional damage bonus.
I think the in-combat stealth is really powerfull, not sure about the morph,; a 100% critical is strong but removing 4 dots seems to be pretty strong too.
Pleae do not misslead people.
Critical strike gives bonus compared to your critical rating, not 150%.
Attacking when crouched (while sneaking) called Ambush and give straight 3x bonus damage to any attack or skill. Your position against target DO NOT play any role there.
If your skills which improve undetected range allow you to do so, you can actualy Ambush enemy right in his face.
For example, if you use 2H you can hit opponent from 2 times larger distance compared to DW. Or oyu can use Uppercut while sneaking which can be used from 3x larger distance compared to DW.
150% is what i found to be the basical critical damage (obviously a +critical damage will raise this value).
when i Ambush a target from the front, i don't see the big damage, even if i use stealth while approaching to not be detected.0 -
killedbyping✭✭✭✭
150% is what i found to be the basical critical damage (obviously a +critical damage will raise this value).
when i Ambush a target from the front, i don't see the big damage, even if i use stealth while approaching to not be detected.
Then you doing it wrong.
Ambush is what i do all the time when soloing and i also use combat log to watch my damage. Ambush do work from ANY direction.
Edited by killedbyping on April 16, 2014 1:10PM0 -
Daendur✭✭✭Can you ambush with bow ? Maybe with Snipe ?
btw when i'll log in i'll do some more tests. tyEdited by Daendur on April 16, 2014 1:14PM0 -
Gisgo✭✭✭✭✭Im playing an NB too and from what i see a "crit attack" and a "sneak attack" arent exactly the same thing.
The sneak attack only works from back or the side and its MUCH stronger than a regular crit.
Sneak attack does stack with both veiled strike and teleport strike (and relative morphs).
Being invisible through shadowy disguise grants you a crit hit, but to score a "sneak attack" you still need to be in the correct position.Edited by Gisgo on April 16, 2014 1:16PM0 -
Reavan✭✭✭Heh.. Right guys stealth mechanics.
Ill add in something the ambush 3x bonus applies from sneak always unless the target is facing you.
Disguise just boosts your crit chance, this is why the ambush opener does more damage..0 -
Drathmar✭Heh.. Right guys stealth mechanics.
Ill add in something the ambush 3x bonus applies from sneak always unless the target is facing you.
Disguise just boosts your crit chance, this is why the ambush opener does more damage..
Would that mean best way to open would be:
Ambush from stealth, disguise, surprise attack/concealed weapon then?
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Ecco✭✭✭Yes, open with hide, Ambush, Disguise, Surprise Attack, then I use Impale to finish them off for the magicka regen.0
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Daendur✭✭✭just tested:
crouched from back = 420 dmg (critical)
crouched from front = 215 dmg (no crit)
So ambush damage modifier works when hitting from behind.0 -
EsORising✭✭✭I stopped using this skill at all
- 2.5 secs is too short
- when invis ends you should be in shealth mode, wich is not the case
- Lower dmg than shealth
Yet another pointless skill for Nightblade.
Shadowy disguise adds 0.4 of a second with 2 skillpoints in dark veil..which is pretty much nothing.
You can stun with Veiled strike after using shadowy diguise but that still not worth 480mp x2 = 960mp for a stun. There are easier ways to stun people.
HOWEVER, I still use shadowy disguise becauses when you come out of stealth you have 1750ish armor and spell resistance after coming out of stealth for 4sec if you have shadowy barrier and dark veil passive 2/2. That 1750 def and spell def is nice espically since medium armor is so squishy.
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