StAmBlAdEs ArE S TiEr

khajiitNPC · November 2019

Stamblade is doing great. Hate to say it but it’s a learn to play issue. My set up 1v1 open world is doing great TTK is about the same. Yes the cast time on ultimates are garbage but it just takes a little bit of adjustment and you can still do the same thing. Don’t know why OP is having a hard time killing people. Next patch when the HoTs get adjusted we’ll be in an even better place. What exactly is OP struggling with?

Deathlord92 · November 2019

Aedaryl wrote: »

Omg so much baddies here.

Stamblade is S tier for solo PvP.

S tier doesn't mean easy-to-use but means top tier at a high level.

Stamblade is hard to play but top tier when mastered.

If you find your stamblade in solo PvP ineffective or not performing well, then it's a L2P issue.

khajiitNPC wrote: »

Stamblade is doing great. Hate to say it but it’s a learn to play issue. My set up 1v1 open world is doing great TTK is about the same. Yes the cast time on ultimates are garbage but it just takes a little bit of adjustment and you can still do the same thing. Don’t know why OP is having a hard time killing people. Next patch when the HoTs get adjusted we’ll be in an even better place. What exactly is OP struggling with?

All I ask for is our stun back on incap man I miss slamming down noobs with that stun now I’m left with this useless silence 😒

azjuwelz · November 2019

I knew this would be a fun thread to read. >:-)

I simply want the NB skills to reflect what they're named--"Incapacitating Strike" is so not.

Plus a marking for death that alerts your target is the dumbest thing ever.

Goregrinder · November 2019

DaNnYtHePcFrEaK wrote: »

They're all playing Star Wars because the combat in that game is 1000% better lol

Combat is meaningless if there are no other players to attack.

L_Nici · November 2019

The problem with NBs is that many not that good players use it and then permacloak out of fear to get beaten up. Its super annoying and wastes a lot of time for the defender. To snipe players out of cloak is just a sign for being a weak player.
Thats why similary bad players feel like NBs would be so unfair and OP, because they can't defend themself properly before the NB is cloaked again and like that we get the nerf cries (which in many cases lead to a nerf).

But defending against a cloakspamming NB is insanely easy for any experienced player, so the NB itself will feel like it would be a bad class. You can maybe Snipe some PvP beginners or even skilled players if you snipe desynch them, but of course that won't feel strong in an open battle.

The reality is, the NB is one of the most hard maybe even the hardest class to master and I personally have never been good with it, even though I have years of PvP experience. BUT in the moment where you have mastered the NB they are insanely strong. The best NBs I know don't even need to cloak (they mostly use the healing morph), because they are just good players, they use mobility over hiding, even the shade though that got nerfed a bit and avoid a lot of damage like that. Just like that a Stamblade is amazing in Solo PvP, you can kite very well, close to a stamsorc, with the difference that the Sorc will use its speed, while the NB uses Shade porting. You can use the area around you better than a stamsorc, since a Stamsorc has to go around a rock, while the NB can port through it, that buys you a lot of time and more time leads to more regen, with the healing morph of the cloak you can be up to full health before the enemies reached you.
There are NBs out there that tank way more than DKs and heal more than templars and still deal a good amount of damage, you just need to do it right.

IndianaJames7 · November 2019

Deathlord92 wrote: »

Aedaryl wrote: »

Omg so much baddies here.

Stamblade is S tier for solo PvP.

S tier doesn't mean easy-to-use but means top tier at a high level.

Stamblade is hard to play but top tier when mastered.

If you find your stamblade in solo PvP ineffective or not performing well, then it's a L2P issue.

khajiitNPC wrote: »

Stamblade is doing great. Hate to say it but it’s a learn to play issue. My set up 1v1 open world is doing great TTK is about the same. Yes the cast time on ultimates are garbage but it just takes a little bit of adjustment and you can still do the same thing. Don’t know why OP is having a hard time killing people. Next patch when the HoTs get adjusted we’ll be in an even better place. What exactly is OP struggling with?

All I ask for is our stun back on incap man I miss slamming down noobs with that stun now I’m left with this useless silence 😒

Stun would be better, but silence is acceptable imo. That silence was responsible for a good amount of hate tells I received from salty magplars hoping to get carried by their class during scalebreaker... dawnbreaker for Stam opponents and incap for mag opponents worked alright... its the cast times that really suck and should be reverted. Across the board tbh. No one likes cast times.

Deathlord92 · November 2019

IndianaJames7 wrote: »

Deathlord92 wrote: »

Aedaryl wrote: »

Omg so much baddies here.

Stamblade is S tier for solo PvP.

S tier doesn't mean easy-to-use but means top tier at a high level.

Stamblade is hard to play but top tier when mastered.

If you find your stamblade in solo PvP ineffective or not performing well, then it's a L2P issue.

khajiitNPC wrote: »

Stamblade is doing great. Hate to say it but it’s a learn to play issue. My set up 1v1 open world is doing great TTK is about the same. Yes the cast time on ultimates are garbage but it just takes a little bit of adjustment and you can still do the same thing. Don’t know why OP is having a hard time killing people. Next patch when the HoTs get adjusted we’ll be in an even better place. What exactly is OP struggling with?

All I ask for is our stun back on incap man I miss slamming down noobs with that stun now I’m left with this useless silence 😒

Stun would be better, but silence is acceptable imo. That silence was responsible for a good amount of hate tells I received from salty magplars hoping to get carried by their class during scalebreaker... dawnbreaker for Stam opponents and incap for mag opponents worked alright... its the cast times that really suck and should be reverted. Across the board tbh. No one likes cast times.

Actually cast times with incap is very nice I trick players so much with it animation cancel stops incap so when they think they dodge it i hit em straight away follow it up with bow.

DCZergNoob · November 2019

Aedaryl wrote: »

Omg so much baddies here.

Stamblade is S tier for solo PvP.

S tier doesn't mean easy-to-use but means top tier at a high level.

Stamblade is hard to play but top tier when mastered.

If you find your stamblade in solo PvP ineffective or not performing well, then it's a L2P issue.

No there not, there garbage & B tier at best Thinking otherwise is delusional & theres a reason why so many Stamblades these days are nothing but gankers

The OP has been maining stamblade for years and he told me stamblade has never felt so bad before , Then plays any other class and straight away knowns it outperforms stamnb

Stop being the typical forum 12 year old screaming l2p at everything

Dodge roll+ Cloak is literally the only thing they have , you get rid of cloak and all nightblades are useless

IndianaJames7 · November 2019

Deathlord92 wrote: »

IndianaJames7 wrote: »

Deathlord92 wrote: »

Aedaryl wrote: »

Omg so much baddies here.

Stamblade is S tier for solo PvP.

S tier doesn't mean easy-to-use but means top tier at a high level.

Stamblade is hard to play but top tier when mastered.

If you find your stamblade in solo PvP ineffective or not performing well, then it's a L2P issue.

khajiitNPC wrote: »

Stamblade is doing great. Hate to say it but it’s a learn to play issue. My set up 1v1 open world is doing great TTK is about the same. Yes the cast time on ultimates are garbage but it just takes a little bit of adjustment and you can still do the same thing. Don’t know why OP is having a hard time killing people. Next patch when the HoTs get adjusted we’ll be in an even better place. What exactly is OP struggling with?

All I ask for is our stun back on incap man I miss slamming down noobs with that stun now I’m left with this useless silence 😒

Stun would be better, but silence is acceptable imo. That silence was responsible for a good amount of hate tells I received from salty magplars hoping to get carried by their class during scalebreaker... dawnbreaker for Stam opponents and incap for mag opponents worked alright... its the cast times that really suck and should be reverted. Across the board tbh. No one likes cast times.

Actually cast times with incap is very nice I trick players so much with it animation cancel stops incap so when they think they dodge it i hit em straight away follow it up with bow.

Interesting, I will try that strategy myself next time I decide to give pvp another chance.

But it’s not just dodge roll that is causing incap to miss. The amount of lag in cyrodiil means that half the time it misses your target even if they don’t use dodge roll because the position your opponent appears to be when you activate it is no where close to the position they are actually in when it goes off.

I’ve literally opened with incap from cloak on unsuspecting targets who seemingly made no effort to avoid my attack from point blank range and had it just straight up miss on multiple occasions. Sure your jajanken fakeout might work now and then, but most of the time cast time is just going to add another hoop to jump through to get your ult to land.

For a class that primarily relies on burst and stealth, cast times provide neither. I don’t see any way in which this isn’t a massive nerf.

Unfadingsilence · November 2019

I'm here I'm here dont worry I have the full meta setup for stam NBs for CP and none CP glass cannon

https://youtu.be/xWXI2hcxE98

Unfadingsilence · November 2019

Kalante wrote: »

I can't even play the game but stamblades are still pretty strong, not as strong as before though.

Honestly I feel like they are just as strong as before and I have played a stam NB for 6 years and I have seen all the up's and... I'm pretty sure we only had one real big down and that's when they took away our only purge skill 😩

DCZergNoob · November 2019

Unfadingsilence wrote: »

I'm here I'm here dont worry I have the full meta setup for stam NBs for CP and none CP glass cannon

https://youtu.be/xWXI2hcxE98

nobody cares about your self advertising 4Weird

KillsAllElves · November 2019

Hahahahahahahaha l2p as usual

Unfadingsilence · November 2019

DCZergNoob wrote: »

Unfadingsilence wrote: »

I'm here I'm here dont worry I have the full meta setup for stam NBs for CP and none CP glass cannon

https://youtu.be/xWXI2hcxE98

nobody cares about your self advertising 4Weird

🤦‍♂️ "4Weird" what?🤷‍♂️

DCZergNoob · November 2019

lol

itscompton · November 2019

The_Old_Goat wrote: »

Why the *** random capitalization in your header?

Yeah, is the problem mental or physical?

Aedaryl · November 2019

DCZergNoob wrote: »

Aedaryl wrote: »

Omg so much baddies here.

Stamblade is S tier for solo PvP.

S tier doesn't mean easy-to-use but means top tier at a high level.

Stamblade is hard to play but top tier when mastered.

If you find your stamblade in solo PvP ineffective or not performing well, then it's a L2P issue.

No there not, there garbage & B tier at best Thinking otherwise is delusional & theres a reason why so many Stamblades these days are nothing but gankers

The OP has been maining stamblade for years and he told me stamblade has never felt so bad before , Then plays any other class and straight away knowns it outperforms stamnb

Stop being the typical forum 12 year old screaming l2p at everything

Dodge roll+ Cloak is literally the only thing they have , you get rid of cloak and all nightblades are useless

When people that truely play NB at a high lvl agree that the class is very good and so S tier in solo PvP, it's a for a reason.

Stamblade gameplay changed quite a bit recently, tell your friend to adapt.

The biggest gameplay change stamblade need to do to compete is dealing with easely predictable INC and incap cast time.

The solution to not be too predictable and so 100 countered by good player is to unslot ambush and fear from your bars.

You can land a less predictable incap/bow combo by stunning with off balance with little charged heavy attack.

If you play the old predictableblade with ambush + fear, you will not kill any half good player for sure.

It's a either L2P or L2Adapt.

Deathlord92 · November 2019

IndianaJames7 wrote: »

Deathlord92 wrote: »

IndianaJames7 wrote: »

Deathlord92 wrote: »

Aedaryl wrote: »

Omg so much baddies here.

Stamblade is S tier for solo PvP.

S tier doesn't mean easy-to-use but means top tier at a high level.

Stamblade is hard to play but top tier when mastered.

If you find your stamblade in solo PvP ineffective or not performing well, then it's a L2P issue.

khajiitNPC wrote: »

Stamblade is doing great. Hate to say it but it’s a learn to play issue. My set up 1v1 open world is doing great TTK is about the same. Yes the cast time on ultimates are garbage but it just takes a little bit of adjustment and you can still do the same thing. Don’t know why OP is having a hard time killing people. Next patch when the HoTs get adjusted we’ll be in an even better place. What exactly is OP struggling with?

All I ask for is our stun back on incap man I miss slamming down noobs with that stun now I’m left with this useless silence 😒

Stun would be better, but silence is acceptable imo. That silence was responsible for a good amount of hate tells I received from salty magplars hoping to get carried by their class during scalebreaker... dawnbreaker for Stam opponents and incap for mag opponents worked alright... its the cast times that really suck and should be reverted. Across the board tbh. No one likes cast times.

Actually cast times with incap is very nice I trick players so much with it animation cancel stops incap so when they think they dodge it i hit em straight away follow it up with bow.

Interesting, I will try that strategy myself next time I decide to give pvp another chance.

But it’s not just dodge roll that is causing incap to miss. The amount of lag in cyrodiil means that half the time it misses your target even if they don’t use dodge roll because the position your opponent appears to be when you activate it is no where close to the position they are actually in when it goes off.

I’ve literally opened with incap from cloak on unsuspecting targets who seemingly made no effort to avoid my attack from point blank range and had it just straight up miss on multiple occasions. Sure your jajanken fakeout might work now and then, but most of the time cast time is just going to add another hoop to jump through to get your ult to land.

For a class that primarily relies on burst and stealth, cast times provide neither. I don’t see any way in which this isn’t a massive nerf.

Your definitely right about the lag mate makes things impossible at times. Thought I’d share my little trick with incap because I use to hate cast times as well to I found out how effective fake incap was.

Vlad9425 · November 2019

It’ll be S tier when we get Fracture back on SA and Incap gets that idiotic cast time removed. Until then the people who don’t play NB and feel they are qualified to comment that the class is OP can go put their dumb opinion where the sun don’t shine.

Aedaryl · November 2019

Vlad9425 wrote: »

It’ll be S tier when we get Fracture back on SA and Incap gets that idiotic cast time removed. Until then the people who don’t play NB and feel they are qualified to comment that the class is OP can go put their dumb opinion where the sun don’t shine.

People don't say that NB is OP or need nerf.

Just that stamNB is top tier for solo PvP.

It's stupid to judge a class on what it was before. Every class is trash if you compare with the past.

What does matter is how the class performs right now with the other classes right now.

Cast time and silence on incap sucks, but stunning from off balance + no cast time bow make it work.

Also, with adapting your build by removing fear and ambush, you can gain some damage with skills like camo hunter for exemple.

You don't need major fracture to deal top tier damage with a NB.

nesakinter · November 2019

Sniker -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iIGBlNhC5UY

Susmitds -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TaEEqVO5Wqo

Look for yourself, you will find many more. NBs have some bad class skills sure but it is undeniable they are S tier for solo.

Tommy_The_Gun · November 2019

You know what is hilarious ? Ok, lets ignore a class name not to trigger people and just call it X-class.

So ONE player is somehow being able to use X-class how it should be used, despite numerous nerfs, when literally every other X-class player struggles and says that playing a class as it was meant to be played is no longer possible... Ok, sounds totally believable..

Judging by this logic, X-class is bad not because the class is bad, but somehow magically 99,99% people playing this class are bad players... mkay... again... sounds totally believable..

Moonsorrow · November 2019

Stamblade to me feels really good this patch, focusing a bit more on my magblade, but whenever i hop on my lil bosmer it is murder and mayhem time.

Like many, i dislike the cast time ultis. They are often just not working at lag reliably. So while i do have Incap on front, i am more often using Ballista like a proper Bowsmer.

Using Turn Evil instead of own class Fear, feels a bit lame but it just is better.

One tip to all stamblades who have troubles this patch, do not go full glass Cloaker, that new Streak feels like (i know the details of it) it has like massive circle area to every direction so it uncloaks you not matter how far at any side or front you are from sorcs pretty much heh, so knowing that reality.. build brawler that can sustain Rolling all the most dangerous parts of bursts instead of trusting to Cloak.

More people have Detect Pots too on one of their quick slots, so play with that fact and build accordingly.

My lil bosmer is a bit lame and too secretive to reveal her build, but @susmitds has awesome build out there and it is one of the best if not the best setup with options if the player using it is as classy as the build.

Personally i always end up playing my Stamblade like it was StamDK but with Rolling instead of block lol, no idea why but works for me i guess.. doing the illusive kite and shade thingy with Magblade.

Oh and spectral bow nice this patch. Burst potential really high this patch for Stamblade, been melting shield stacked sorcs in seconds. Just be the dominating one and finish your combos without starting to heal in middle of them if taking some hits, trust in the old "kill them faster than they kill me" code of the Blades.

technohic · November 2019

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

You know what is hilarious ? Ok, lets ignore a class name not to trigger people and just call it X-class.

So ONE player is somehow being able to use X-class how it should be used, despite numerous nerfs, when literally every other X-class player struggles and says that playing a class as it was meant to be played is no longer possible... Ok, sounds totally believable..

Judging by this logic, X-class is bad not because the class is bad, but somehow magically 99,99% people playing this class are bad players... mkay... again... sounds totally believable..

Well; a lot of bad players did jump on when NB was ridiculous; so....

Commancho · November 2019

Nice bait mate. Well done

Araviel2 · November 2019

I think they got put too high in that tier list.
Most of the guys who are good at playing stamblades are not just a little good, they are very good.
And when it comes to NB's that gap seems pretty big.

Tommy_The_Gun · November 2019

Araviel2 wrote: »

I think they got put too high in that tier list.
Most of the guys who are good at playing stamblades are not just a little good, they are very good.
And when it comes to NB's that gap seems pretty big.

Exactly. Because if a player is very good, then he/she will make even B or A tier to look like it is S+

hakan · November 2019

Yeah you can say that about every class. put an example of their best, then say "its gud you cant play lulw".

Moonsorrow · November 2019

Hmm.. i`m starting to think that people are assuming if something being "S tier" that it is supposed to be a "carry class" that even a beginner can play and dominate every other class?

I atleast think it means it has very high potential in the right hands.. so S tier player with S tier class is the most dangerous opponent in situations that the classes were ranked for.

*shrugs*

martinhpb16_ESO · November 2019

Aedaryl wrote: »

Omg so much baddies here.

Stamblade is S tier for solo PvP.

S tier doesn't mean easy-to-use but means top tier at a high level.

Stamblade is hard to play but top tier when mastered.

If you find your stamblade in solo PvP ineffective or not performing well, then it's a L2P issue.

Lets break that down

Stamblade is hard to play

Stamblade is top tier

But if you find it hard to play you need to l2p - so presumably player inadequacy, but if its top tier inst that supposed to be what it is?

Please link where it is officially written that NB is more difficult to play than other classes and can only be mastered by top tier players, I missed that one.

Is top tier something that can be learnt?

Ever heard of illusory truth?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cebFWOlx848