Dear Developers at ZOS, can we finally consider adding spears or another 2H crit based weapon?

Nyladreas · November 2019

Hello,

First off, I know that this topic has been open for years now, constantly appearing and disappearing from the front page of the forums. This only proves how much spears, pikes, tridents, halberds, poleaxes, scythes, voulges and other polearms really are desired. Just about any game that has polearms, I had a character with said polearms. The aesthetic is just different, and speaking of which, NOT many games have spears and polearms. You already have a great opportunity here.

We all know that currently, we have no 2-handed critical chance based weapon to support even larger build diversity. I understand that Two-Handed weapon skills would need their animations specifically fit for spears, in addition to the traditional weapons we already have, but I would think of it as something new, fresh and interesting. An additional 10% critical chance can make or break a build, and when I think about it, not only does it look badass and seamlessly fits certain races, but it would allow PvE and PvP players both to experiment a bit more and see how far can they really take their "unorthodox" max crit builds.

In the end, polearms are one of the oldest weapons known to mankind, and although primitive looking, they can be quite deadly whilst considered useless by many uneducated (which has been proven to be false by historians and reenactors many times in the past). It's almost a shame and a missed opportunity not to see those weapons in this world, especially with Argonian, Khajiit, Breton and Elven cultures as they are portrayed in the game.

They were in Morrowind, we as a community added them to other Elder Scrolls games. We love them and we NEED them.

Won't you please at least consider it? Many thanks to you. @ZOS_MattFiror @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_BrianWheeler (don't know who else to tag - suggestions welcome)

Sincerely,
A player that loves polearms.

Noxavian · November 2019

Nyladreas wrote: »

Hello,

First off, I know that this topic has been open for years now, constantly appearing and disappearing from the front page of the forums. This only proves how much spears, pikes, tridents, halberds, poleaxes, scythes, voulges and other polearms really are desired. Just about any game that has polearms, I had a character with said polearms. The aesthetic is just different, and speaking of which, NOT many games have spears and polearms. You already have a great opportunity here.

We all know that currently, we have no 2-handed critical chance based weapon to support even larger build diversity. I understand that Two-Handed weapon skills would need their animations specifically fit for spears, in addition to the traditional weapons we already have, but I would think of it as something new, fresh and interesting. An additional 10% critical chance can make or break a build, and when I think about it, not only does it look badass and seamlessly fits certain races, but it would allow PvE and PvP players both to experiment a bit more and see how far can they really take their "unorthodox" max crit builds.

In the end, polearms are one of the oldest weapons known to mankind, and although primitive looking, they can be quite deadly whilst considered useless by many uneducated (which has been proven to be false by historians and reenactors many times in the past). It's almost a shame and a missed opportunity not to see those weapons in this world, especially with Argonian, Khajiit, Breton and Elven cultures as they are portrayed in the game.

They were in Morrowind, we as a community added them to other Elder Scrolls games. We love them and we NEED them.

Won't you please at least consider it? Many thanks to you. @ZOS_MattFiror @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_BrianWheeler (don't know who else to tag - suggestions welcome)

Sincerely,
A player that loves polearms.

can we finally have another magicka weapon before another stam pls

Nyladreas · November 2019

Noxavian wrote: »

Nyladreas wrote: »

Hello,

First off, I know that this topic has been open for years now, constantly appearing and disappearing from the front page of the forums. This only proves how much spears, pikes, tridents, halberds, poleaxes, scythes, voulges and other polearms really are desired. Just about any game that has polearms, I had a character with said polearms. The aesthetic is just different, and speaking of which, NOT many games have spears and polearms. You already have a great opportunity here.

We all know that currently, we have no 2-handed critical chance based weapon to support even larger build diversity. I understand that Two-Handed weapon skills would need their animations specifically fit for spears, in addition to the traditional weapons we already have, but I would think of it as something new, fresh and interesting. An additional 10% critical chance can make or break a build, and when I think about it, not only does it look badass and seamlessly fits certain races, but it would allow PvE and PvP players both to experiment a bit more and see how far can they really take their "unorthodox" max crit builds.

In the end, polearms are one of the oldest weapons known to mankind, and although primitive looking, they can be quite deadly whilst considered useless by many uneducated (which has been proven to be false by historians and reenactors many times in the past). It's almost a shame and a missed opportunity not to see those weapons in this world, especially with Argonian, Khajiit, Breton and Elven cultures as they are portrayed in the game.

They were in Morrowind, we as a community added them to other Elder Scrolls games. We love them and we NEED them.

Won't you please at least consider it? Many thanks to you. @ZOS_MattFiror @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_BrianWheeler (don't know who else to tag - suggestions welcome)

Sincerely,
A player that loves polearms.

can we finally have another magicka weapon before another stam pls

I've already suggested that before elsweyr too. That one was met with next to no responses, but I completely agree. In fact, we should get BOTH a magicka weapon and polearms at the same time.

Dusk_Coven · November 2019

In Morrowind during one of the quests, an NPC uses quarterstaff-fighting techniques to dispatch another NPC. Looks great.
So the animations already exist and for spears too.

What if:
- change Staff to Stamina and make it a combination of spear/staff fighting
- introduce a toggle where any stamina weapon can be turned in to a Magicka weapon (i.e., restores Magicka on Heavy Attack, etcetera). When that happens it is treated the way magicka staves are in the game right now, using the Destruction or Restoration weapon skill lines. So yeah, those daggers toggled into Magicka will instead use the Destruction weapon skill line. And maybe when carrying a shield it is toggled into Restoration.

That would greatly expand the power fantasy/character concepts available.

Noxavian · November 2019

Nyladreas wrote: »

Noxavian wrote: »

Nyladreas wrote: »

Hello,

First off, I know that this topic has been open for years now, constantly appearing and disappearing from the front page of the forums. This only proves how much spears, pikes, tridents, halberds, poleaxes, scythes, voulges and other polearms really are desired. Just about any game that has polearms, I had a character with said polearms. The aesthetic is just different, and speaking of which, NOT many games have spears and polearms. You already have a great opportunity here.

We all know that currently, we have no 2-handed critical chance based weapon to support even larger build diversity. I understand that Two-Handed weapon skills would need their animations specifically fit for spears, in addition to the traditional weapons we already have, but I would think of it as something new, fresh and interesting. An additional 10% critical chance can make or break a build, and when I think about it, not only does it look badass and seamlessly fits certain races, but it would allow PvE and PvP players both to experiment a bit more and see how far can they really take their "unorthodox" max crit builds.

In the end, polearms are one of the oldest weapons known to mankind, and although primitive looking, they can be quite deadly whilst considered useless by many uneducated (which has been proven to be false by historians and reenactors many times in the past). It's almost a shame and a missed opportunity not to see those weapons in this world, especially with Argonian, Khajiit, Breton and Elven cultures as they are portrayed in the game.

They were in Morrowind, we as a community added them to other Elder Scrolls games. We love them and we NEED them.

Won't you please at least consider it? Many thanks to you. @ZOS_MattFiror @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_BrianWheeler (don't know who else to tag - suggestions welcome)

Sincerely,
A player that loves polearms.

can we finally have another magicka weapon before another stam pls

I've already suggested that before elsweyr too. That one was met with next to no responses, but I completely agree. In fact, we should get BOTH a magicka weapon and polearms at the same time.

See now this I can get behind! Im just really against them adding a stam weapon with no new magicka weapon tbh. I reaaaaaaally need an alternative to staves. It's getting kinda old not being able to swap it up.

Ascarl · November 2019

I would rather add *** sword, hand-and-a-half sword, katana style weapon. Like a two handed sword but shorter. It makes sense to have less weapon damage but higher crit than a two handed sword like a dagger has less weapon damage but higher crit than a sword due to it s shorter blade.
Further it would be easier to implement as it could use the same animations etc.

idk · November 2019

Considering there are three stamina weapon lines designed for damage and only one for magicka I would think the more likely next weapon line will be magicka based.

Lisutaris · November 2019

Can we finally have a functioning and playable game ?

Nyladreas · November 2019

idk wrote: »

Considering there are three stamina weapon lines designed for damage and only one for magicka I would think the more likely next weapon line will be magicka based.

I'm not asking for a skilline, I'm asking for a weapon type.

But I agree. There needs to be another magicka weapon variant.

Iccotak · January 2020

What a little irritating is that you see NPCs using Spears. The animations exist so please use them

If one of the worries is players losing the motif achievement I have a 2 possible solutions

1. Have it so anyone that read the whole book (like the motif books from crown store) automatically get the spear page.

2. If #1 can't be done: Make obtaining all Spear motif pages an entirely separate achievement.

UntilValhalla13 · January 2020

I just don't see it ever happening until the game is fully functioning. They would then have to go back and add them for every set in the game. Same thing with 1 hand/rune, or whatever it is.

Any time they remotely try to fix anything, they inadvertently break three things completely unrelated to it. Imagine if they ADDED an entirely new weapon type to the game. It would probably break open the space/time continuum as we know it.

D3N7157 · January 2020

you know stamina has 4 weapon skillines that are all damage oriented and magicka has only one right?

Iccotak · January 2020

@D3N7157
It doesn't have to be one or the other
possible they could one day add both

OtarTheMad · January 2020

Hard to have a spear weapon line. I mean the skills would basically just mirror Templar abilities.

logarifmik · January 2020

Vote for pole arms!

DarkPicture · January 2020

New weapons like spear never gonna happen becasue zos need to do a lot of motifs, monster weapons and other outfit styles for 1 weapon... too much effort.

1h and rune makes onle sense because its only sword so styles already exist for this one.

Nyladreas · January 2020

Browart wrote: »

New weapons like spear never gonna happen becasue zos need to do a lot of motifs, monster weapons and other outfit styles for 1 weapon... too much effort.

1h and rune makes onle sense because its only sword so styles already exist for this one.

Dude just glue a dagger from each style on a stick. Ez pz.

Tommy_The_Gun · January 2020

Noxavian wrote: »

Nyladreas wrote: »

Hello,

First off, I know that this topic has been open for years now, constantly appearing and disappearing from the front page of the forums. This only proves how much spears, pikes, tridents, halberds, poleaxes, scythes, voulges and other polearms really are desired. Just about any game that has polearms, I had a character with said polearms. The aesthetic is just different, and speaking of which, NOT many games have spears and polearms. You already have a great opportunity here.

We all know that currently, we have no 2-handed critical chance based weapon to support even larger build diversity. I understand that Two-Handed weapon skills would need their animations specifically fit for spears, in addition to the traditional weapons we already have, but I would think of it as something new, fresh and interesting. An additional 10% critical chance can make or break a build, and when I think about it, not only does it look badass and seamlessly fits certain races, but it would allow PvE and PvP players both to experiment a bit more and see how far can they really take their "unorthodox" max crit builds.

In the end, polearms are one of the oldest weapons known to mankind, and although primitive looking, they can be quite deadly whilst considered useless by many uneducated (which has been proven to be false by historians and reenactors many times in the past). It's almost a shame and a missed opportunity not to see those weapons in this world, especially with Argonian, Khajiit, Breton and Elven cultures as they are portrayed in the game.

They were in Morrowind, we as a community added them to other Elder Scrolls games. We love them and we NEED them.

Won't you please at least consider it? Many thanks to you. @ZOS_MattFiror @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_BrianWheeler (don't know who else to tag - suggestions welcome)

Sincerely,
A player that loves polearms.

can we finally have another magicka weapon before another stam pls

We can have them both at the same time...
- "Polearms" weapon skill line.
- 2 types of 2h weapons, crafted at woodworking station - Combat Staff (monk style weapon) and Spear.
- Hybrid weapon skill line, all skills & ult will have stamina & magicka morphs.
- Passives will make Spear better suited for stamina and Combat staff for magicka.

MajBludd · January 2020

This was my one and only hope for the new chapter.

tomofhyrule · January 2020

Man I'd love to see some spears show back up in an Elder Scrolls game. Nobody used them in Morrowind since the game design basically forced you to play Long Blade with the number of artifacts it had, and you needed to be at least proficient with Short Blade and Blunt by the end. At least Spears gave Endurance there so they weren't entirely decorative.

But I'd love to see Spears since Zelda: Breath of the Wild included them and made them look awesome again. I know we've got over 80 different styles/motifs already, so it's a lot of catch up for the modelling team to do, but just imagining the way a spear would look in each style would be amazing. After all, we've got some styles that stay more primitive (pointy stick), some that are more Japanese (naginata), some that look classically European (halberds)... I feel we could get loads of spears/pikes/glaives/tridents and make them all look great.

I'd throw the Spear motif in with the Staffs motif page - i think that's the easiest, so if you have the staves unlocked, you've also got the spears.

RavenSworn · January 2020

Nyladreas wrote: »

Hello,

First off, I know that this topic has been open for years now, constantly appearing and disappearing from the front page of the forums. This only proves how much spears, pikes, tridents, halberds, poleaxes, scythes, voulges and other polearms really are desired. Just about any game that has polearms, I had a character with said polearms. The aesthetic is just different, and speaking of which, NOT many games have spears and polearms. You already have a great opportunity here.

We all know that currently, we have no 2-handed critical chance based weapon to support even larger build diversity. I understand that Two-Handed weapon skills would need their animations specifically fit for spears, in addition to the traditional weapons we already have, but I would think of it as something new, fresh and interesting. An additional 10% critical chance can make or break a build, and when I think about it, not only does it look badass and seamlessly fits certain races, but it would allow PvE and PvP players both to experiment a bit more and see how far can they really take their "unorthodox" max crit builds.

In the end, polearms are one of the oldest weapons known to mankind, and although primitive looking, they can be quite deadly whilst considered useless by many uneducated (which has been proven to be false by historians and reenactors many times in the past). It's almost a shame and a missed opportunity not to see those weapons in this world, especially with Argonian, Khajiit, Breton and Elven cultures as they are portrayed in the game.

They were in Morrowind, we as a community added them to other Elder Scrolls games. We love them and we NEED them.

Won't you please at least consider it? Many thanks to you. @ZOS_MattFiror @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_BrianWheeler (don't know who else to tag - suggestions welcome)

Sincerely,
A player that loves polearms.

I like where your heart is but honestly... I want to see a melee magicka weapon first before adding another stamina weapon that is just gonna clutter alot more in terms of balancing and such. We already have stamina melee and ranged weapons. We have magicka ranged weapons. We NEED a magicka melee weapon.

TheFM · January 2020

Nyladreas wrote: »

Hello,

First off, I know that this topic has been open for years now, constantly appearing and disappearing from the front page of the forums. This only proves how much spears, pikes, tridents, halberds, poleaxes, scythes, voulges and other polearms really are desired. Just about any game that has polearms, I had a character with said polearms. The aesthetic is just different, and speaking of which, NOT many games have spears and polearms. You already have a great opportunity here.

We all know that currently, we have no 2-handed critical chance based weapon to support even larger build diversity. I understand that Two-Handed weapon skills would need their animations specifically fit for spears, in addition to the traditional weapons we already have, but I would think of it as something new, fresh and interesting. An additional 10% critical chance can make or break a build, and when I think about it, not only does it look badass and seamlessly fits certain races, but it would allow PvE and PvP players both to experiment a bit more and see how far can they really take their "unorthodox" max crit builds.

In the end, polearms are one of the oldest weapons known to mankind, and although primitive looking, they can be quite deadly whilst considered useless by many uneducated (which has been proven to be false by historians and reenactors many times in the past). It's almost a shame and a missed opportunity not to see those weapons in this world, especially with Argonian, Khajiit, Breton and Elven cultures as they are portrayed in the game.

They were in Morrowind, we as a community added them to other Elder Scrolls games. We love them and we NEED them.

Won't you please at least consider it? Many thanks to you. @ZOS_MattFiror @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_BrianWheeler (don't know who else to tag - suggestions welcome)

Sincerely,
A player that loves polearms.

No more Stam weapons until we get a melee magicka weapon. U already have four weapons, we have 1.

Grianasteri · January 2020

No thanks.

We need a new magica weapon with its own skill line, not spears or 2H.

Stam already has 4 dedicated skill lines and a variety of weapon types to choose from, with different status affects.

Mag has ONE skill line (dps), with ONE type of weapon (yes with 3 types but its still the same weapon). Mag is in dire need of a new weapon skill line. The most obvious being to make use of Runes, Tomes, Scrolls, open handed etc.

RavenSworn · January 2020

TheFM wrote: »

Nyladreas wrote: »

Hello,

First off, I know that this topic has been open for years now, constantly appearing and disappearing from the front page of the forums. This only proves how much spears, pikes, tridents, halberds, poleaxes, scythes, voulges and other polearms really are desired. Just about any game that has polearms, I had a character with said polearms. The aesthetic is just different, and speaking of which, NOT many games have spears and polearms. You already have a great opportunity here.

We all know that currently, we have no 2-handed critical chance based weapon to support even larger build diversity. I understand that Two-Handed weapon skills would need their animations specifically fit for spears, in addition to the traditional weapons we already have, but I would think of it as something new, fresh and interesting. An additional 10% critical chance can make or break a build, and when I think about it, not only does it look badass and seamlessly fits certain races, but it would allow PvE and PvP players both to experiment a bit more and see how far can they really take their "unorthodox" max crit builds.

In the end, polearms are one of the oldest weapons known to mankind, and although primitive looking, they can be quite deadly whilst considered useless by many uneducated (which has been proven to be false by historians and reenactors many times in the past). It's almost a shame and a missed opportunity not to see those weapons in this world, especially with Argonian, Khajiit, Breton and Elven cultures as they are portrayed in the game.

They were in Morrowind, we as a community added them to other Elder Scrolls games. We love them and we NEED them.

Won't you please at least consider it? Many thanks to you. @ZOS_MattFiror @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_BrianWheeler (don't know who else to tag - suggestions welcome)

Sincerely,
A player that loves polearms.

No more Stam weapons until we get a melee magicka weapon. U already have four weapons, we have 1.

2 actually, restoration staff and destruction staff are two different skill lines. But I digress, yes to melee magicka weapon.

nafensoriel · January 2020

Nyladreas wrote: »

/snip

And just like last time... the reason you will never see a new weapon is that to make a new weapon you have to have an art team create a new model for every single motif in every single style.

What you see as "just a spear" is actually several tens of thousands of spears.

Casul · January 2020

Yeah Spears would be nice. I would love to see a stance style ult as a toggle, basically an defensive stance with spear and shield. And offensive stance with 2h spear. The abilities would change accordingly. Also let's just be done with weapon requirements and make LA and HA scale with highest stat and do corresponding damage as well as restore corresponding stat on HA.

Nyladreas · January 2020

TheFM wrote: »

Nyladreas wrote: »

Hello,

First off, I know that this topic has been open for years now, constantly appearing and disappearing from the front page of the forums. This only proves how much spears, pikes, tridents, halberds, poleaxes, scythes, voulges and other polearms really are desired. Just about any game that has polearms, I had a character with said polearms. The aesthetic is just different, and speaking of which, NOT many games have spears and polearms. You already have a great opportunity here.

We all know that currently, we have no 2-handed critical chance based weapon to support even larger build diversity. I understand that Two-Handed weapon skills would need their animations specifically fit for spears, in addition to the traditional weapons we already have, but I would think of it as something new, fresh and interesting. An additional 10% critical chance can make or break a build, and when I think about it, not only does it look badass and seamlessly fits certain races, but it would allow PvE and PvP players both to experiment a bit more and see how far can they really take their "unorthodox" max crit builds.

In the end, polearms are one of the oldest weapons known to mankind, and although primitive looking, they can be quite deadly whilst considered useless by many uneducated (which has been proven to be false by historians and reenactors many times in the past). It's almost a shame and a missed opportunity not to see those weapons in this world, especially with Argonian, Khajiit, Breton and Elven cultures as they are portrayed in the game.

They were in Morrowind, we as a community added them to other Elder Scrolls games. We love them and we NEED them.

Won't you please at least consider it? Many thanks to you. @ZOS_MattFiror @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_BrianWheeler (don't know who else to tag - suggestions welcome)

Sincerely,
A player that loves polearms.

No more Stam weapons until we get a melee magicka weapon. U already have four weapons, we have 1.

I support both. I had separate threads for both weapons.

Nyladreas · January 2020

nafensoriel wrote: »

Nyladreas wrote: »

/snip

And just like last time... the reason you will never see a new weapon is that to make a new weapon you have to have an art team create a new model for every single motif in every single style.

What you see as "just a spear" is actually several tens of thousands of spears.

Read above

just honestly take a dagger and stretch the model in its handle, the textures aren't hard either. The animations might take more work than creating motifs honestly.

Kadoin · January 2020

Yes, please, so my crit based hybrid can spam executioner and radiant destruction easier to kill people in 2 seconds. I think it will be even more balanced if it adds both weapon and spell crit and a little more than DW passive because 2H.

I definitely do not have an agenda.

danara · January 2020

Nyladreas wrote: »

idk wrote: »

Considering there are three stamina weapon lines designed for damage and only one for magicka I would think the more likely next weapon line will be magicka based.

I'm not asking for a skilline, I'm asking for a weapon type. But I agree. There needs to be another magicka weapon variant.

So if you are not asking for a weapon skill line, what you are asking for is a skin, did i miss something?

Nyladreas · January 2020

danara wrote: »

Nyladreas wrote: »

idk wrote: »

Considering there are three stamina weapon lines designed for damage and only one for magicka I would think the more likely next weapon line will be magicka based.

I'm not asking for a skilline, I'm asking for a weapon type. But I agree. There needs to be another magicka weapon variant.

So if you are not asking for a weapon skill line, what you are asking for is a skin, did i miss something?

Pretty much, the way I wanted it was getting another 2hand type, just so the void for the crit bonus would be filled and we could run around with spears. That's pretty much it. Althought an entire skill line WOULD of course be better, but there's still that infamous 1H+Rune we need to get first.