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There are players that struggle with the current overland difficulty...
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Vhozek✭✭✭✭✭
✭I made my own video to compete with yours. You can see in the video it is very easy die if you play like a potato.
https://youtu.be/PJ4VlfEmLJ4
https://youtu.be/PJ4VlfEmLJ4
Even potatos know templars have a heal.𝗡𝗼𝘁 𝘀𝗼𝗿𝗿𝘆, 𝗺𝗼𝗱𝘀. 𝗙𝗿𝗲𝗲 𝗕𝗶𝗿𝗱 𝘄𝗮𝘀 𝗽𝗹𝗮𝘆𝗶𝗻𝗴.2 -
OG_Kaveman✭✭✭✭✭Long time ago it was easy to die in the starter areas of a mmorpg. Not anymore. My guess is Im old fashioned.
Most MMOs have mobs with set levels so certain enemies in a starting area can end up being significantly stronger than you which helps add challenge. This game all enemies scale to your level.
more like you scale down from the mobs level as you level. a level 1 player actually gets huge buffs to their stats. if you take a level 50+ player with no skill points/champion points spent, armor on, no food buff, no pots, etc, etc, that level 50+ player will be much weaker then a player at level 1. mobs dont change at all, they always have the same stats.3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Some of us struggle because we have sub-optimal connection. Satellite.... it's not "real broadband" - though I do have to say that HughesNet is MAGNITUDES better than wildblue.1 -
Vhozek✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes, lets start to narrow it down to the lowest common denominator so we can make a case against difficult overland content.
Think of the people with no arms.𝗡𝗼𝘁 𝘀𝗼𝗿𝗿𝘆, 𝗺𝗼𝗱𝘀. 𝗙𝗿𝗲𝗲 𝗕𝗶𝗿𝗱 𝘄𝗮𝘀 𝗽𝗹𝗮𝘆𝗶𝗻𝗴.3 -
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✭✭OG_Kaveman wrote: »Long time ago it was easy to die in the starter areas of a mmorpg. Not anymore. My guess is Im old fashioned.
Most MMOs have mobs with set levels so certain enemies in a starting area can end up being significantly stronger than you which helps add challenge. This game all enemies scale to your level.
more like you scale down from the mobs level as you level. a level 1 player actually gets huge buffs to their stats. if you take a level 50+ player with no skill points/champion points spent, armor on, no food buff, no pots, etc, etc, that level 50+ player will be much weaker then a player at level 1. mobs dont change at all, they always have the same stats.
Yep. The hardest the game gets is from level 50cp1- 50cp160. You feel every bit of the mobs already being at cp160.
Overall it's probably designed this way so that for a brand new player it gets more challenging the further you level. Along the way you learn how to gain back that power loss through sets, item quality, enchants, pots, etc.
Bottom line, the levelling system is designed for brand spanking new players, not vets that are alt-oholics. I think it's actually one of the better design choices in the game, especially since player churn, not player retention seems to be priority. Gotta ease new players in if you are going to count on always having a high percentage of new players.Edited by Siohwenoeht on November 16, 2019 4:32AM"It is a lovely language, but it takes a very long time saying anything in it, because we do not say anything in it, unless it is worth taking a long time to say, and to listen to." - Treebeard2 -
nickl413✭✭✭✭Yes, lets start to narrow it down to the lowest common denominator so we can make a case against difficult overland content.
Think of the people with no arms.
There are actually legally blind people that play this game. While people with physical disabilites that limit their game performance may be in the extreme minority, they do exist. I have to wonder why you feel that they and everyone else should have no way of scaling down the difficulty, instead of keeping things how they are now where you can strap some level 1 gear on your 810cp toon, disable cp, blind fold your self, play with the touch pad, or whatever you gotta do to make things more difficult?Edited by nickl413 on November 16, 2019 4:32AM2 -
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i didnt miss anything and i wasnt responding to you.
i was speaking to another player and agreeing with his comment in support openly on a forum that allows for feedback like mine.
i agree that other players struggle with content that is easy for others. and i agree that thats ok because this is fair and i also support he idea that this game should Not change just because a few find it easy.
not everyone finds eso easy and not everyone finds it hard.5 -
Vhozek✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes, lets start to narrow it down to the lowest common denominator so we can make a case against difficult overland content.
Think of the people with no arms.
There are actually legally blind people that play this game. While people with physical disabilites that limit their game performance may be in the extreme minority, they do exist. I have to wonder why you feel that they and everyone else should have no way of scaling down the difficulty, instead of keeping things how they are now where you can strap some level 1 gear on your 810cp toon, disable cp, blind fold your self, play with the touch pad, or whatever you gotta do to make things more difficult?
"legally blind"
Yeah, I've heard that term before. They don't just say "blind" for a reason.
I'm legally blind.𝗡𝗼𝘁 𝘀𝗼𝗿𝗿𝘆, 𝗺𝗼𝗱𝘀. 𝗙𝗿𝗲𝗲 𝗕𝗶𝗿𝗱 𝘄𝗮𝘀 𝗽𝗹𝗮𝘆𝗶𝗻𝗴.0 -
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The video shows you fighting ONE enemy. Make a video of you fighting a mob with the same weapon, armor, no CP, etc.
People are allowed to play their own way, at their own pace, and who are you to judge? When I first started, I guess you would have judged me. But it was my first MMO and I was clueless. I have been playing for almost 6 years now and when I see someone struggling, I don't judge them, I help them.PC/NA/EP ✌️7 -
nickl413✭✭✭✭Yes, lets start to narrow it down to the lowest common denominator so we can make a case against difficult overland content.
Think of the people with no arms.
There are actually legally blind people that play this game. While people with physical disabilites that limit their game performance may be in the extreme minority, they do exist. I have to wonder why you feel that they and everyone else should have no way of scaling down the difficulty, instead of keeping things how they are now where you can strap some level 1 gear on your 810cp toon, disable cp, blind fold your self, play with the touch pad, or whatever you gotta do to make things more difficult?
"legally blind"
Yeah, I've heard that term before. They don't just say "blind" for a reason.
I'm legally blind.
As he ignores the main body of the post.....3 -
Vhozek✭✭✭✭✭
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i didnt miss anything and i wasnt responding to you.
i was speaking to another player and agreeing with his comment in support openly on a forum that allows for feedback like mine.
i agree that other players struggle with content that is easy for others. and i agree that thats ok because this is fair and i also support he idea that this game should Not change just because a few find it easy.
not everyone finds eso easy and not everyone finds it hard.
But you don't even have to be good to get through the game. You stop being new at 1 hour.𝗡𝗼𝘁 𝘀𝗼𝗿𝗿𝘆, 𝗺𝗼𝗱𝘀. 𝗙𝗿𝗲𝗲 𝗕𝗶𝗿𝗱 𝘄𝗮𝘀 𝗽𝗹𝗮𝘆𝗶𝗻𝗴.0 -
nickl413✭✭✭✭
i didnt miss anything and i wasnt responding to you.
i was speaking to another player and agreeing with his comment in support openly on a forum that allows for feedback like mine.
i agree that other players struggle with content that is easy for others. and i agree that thats ok because this is fair and i also support he idea that this game should Not change just because a few find it easy.
not everyone finds eso easy and not everyone finds it hard.
But you don't even have to be good to get through the game. You stop being new at 1 hour.
Now you're just being absurd.14 -
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✭✭✭✭✭My character has thwarted the plans of a multitude of deities and destroyed entire armies. She should be able to glance at a whole herd of skeever and have them drop over dead.
Take your level thirty character out in level three gear with no CP and things can get fun.
I would like overland content to be more difficult but I understand why it is not. Understanding that I think ZoS should introduce food and potions in the game that debuff your stats significantly. That way each player could decide how difficult they want the content to be. No added rewards for debuffs just the joy of having a challenge. Different foods would affect different things.and then the parrot said, "must be the water mines green too."5 -
Vhozek✭✭✭✭✭
✭Hippie4927 wrote: »
The video shows you fighting ONE enemy. Make a video of you fighting a mob with the same weapon, armor, no CP, etc.
People are allowed to play their own way, at their own pace, and who are you to judge? When I first started, I guess you would have judged me. But it was my first MMO and I was clueless. I have been playing for almost 6 years now and when I see someone struggling, I don't judge them, I help them.
Yes, I don't judge people either when they need help. I help them. But that won't stop me from finding it funny how you will stop needing help killing things after 1 hour. You really do stop being a new player really fast.
People are allowed to play at their own pace except not really because when you try to slow things down everything still dies with no consequences to you except maybe if you're dumb enough to fight multiple enemies or a world boss so early. This is also my first MMO and the first time I played it I was saying how it's just like Skyrim where you just swing your sword until you win.𝗡𝗼𝘁 𝘀𝗼𝗿𝗿𝘆, 𝗺𝗼𝗱𝘀. 𝗙𝗿𝗲𝗲 𝗕𝗶𝗿𝗱 𝘄𝗮𝘀 𝗽𝗹𝗮𝘆𝗶𝗻𝗴.0 -
Vhozek✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes, lets start to narrow it down to the lowest common denominator so we can make a case against difficult overland content.
Think of the people with no arms.
There are actually legally blind people that play this game. While people with physical disabilites that limit their game performance may be in the extreme minority, they do exist. I have to wonder why you feel that they and everyone else should have no way of scaling down the difficulty, instead of keeping things how they are now where you can strap some level 1 gear on your 810cp toon, disable cp, blind fold your self, play with the touch pad, or whatever you gotta do to make things more difficult?
"legally blind"
Yeah, I've heard that term before. They don't just say "blind" for a reason.
I'm legally blind.
As he ignores the main body of the post.....
Is it worth discussing? You're telling me that physically limiting myself is worth discussing.
Should I tape sausages to my fingers too?𝗡𝗼𝘁 𝘀𝗼𝗿𝗿𝘆, 𝗺𝗼𝗱𝘀. 𝗙𝗿𝗲𝗲 𝗕𝗶𝗿𝗱 𝘄𝗮𝘀 𝗽𝗹𝗮𝘆𝗶𝗻𝗴.0 -
Vhozek✭✭✭✭✭
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i didnt miss anything and i wasnt responding to you.
i was speaking to another player and agreeing with his comment in support openly on a forum that allows for feedback like mine.
i agree that other players struggle with content that is easy for others. and i agree that thats ok because this is fair and i also support he idea that this game should Not change just because a few find it easy.
not everyone finds eso easy and not everyone finds it hard.
But you don't even have to be good to get through the game. You stop being new at 1 hour.
Now you're just being absurd.
Absurd for agreeing with you people? You're saying it's easy for new players and I'm telling you you don't have to be good to get through the game.
What's absurd is how far you'll go to defend something that's bad.
Stockholm Syndrome.Edited by Vhozek on November 16, 2019 4:43AM𝗡𝗼𝘁 𝘀𝗼𝗿𝗿𝘆, 𝗺𝗼𝗱𝘀. 𝗙𝗿𝗲𝗲 𝗕𝗶𝗿𝗱 𝘄𝗮𝘀 𝗽𝗹𝗮𝘆𝗶𝗻𝗴.0 -
Sylvermynx✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Hmm. How is it that you (@Vhozek) can't figure out how to multi-quote.... I mean, really, that's not very difficult.5 -
nickl413✭✭✭✭Yes, lets start to narrow it down to the lowest common denominator so we can make a case against difficult overland content.
Think of the people with no arms.
There are actually legally blind people that play this game. While people with physical disabilites that limit their game performance may be in the extreme minority, they do exist. I have to wonder why you feel that they and everyone else should have no way of scaling down the difficulty, instead of keeping things how they are now where you can strap some level 1 gear on your 810cp toon, disable cp, blind fold your self, play with the touch pad, or whatever you gotta do to make things more difficult?
"legally blind"
Yeah, I've heard that term before. They don't just say "blind" for a reason.
I'm legally blind.
As he ignores the main body of the post.....
Is it worth discussing? You're telling me that physically limiting myself is worth discussing.
Should I tape sausages to my fingers too?
No I'm telling you that it makes no sense to force everyone to play at a higher difficulty. It makes more sense to force everyone to play at a lower difficulty when those like yourself have options to make things tougher. This is really not a hard concept.3 -
Vhozek✭✭✭✭✭
✭Sylvermynx wrote: »Hmm. How is it that you (@Vhozek) can't figure out how to multi-quote.... I mean, really, that's not very difficult.
I have admitted multiple times that I'm a super casual.𝗡𝗼𝘁 𝘀𝗼𝗿𝗿𝘆, 𝗺𝗼𝗱𝘀. 𝗙𝗿𝗲𝗲 𝗕𝗶𝗿𝗱 𝘄𝗮𝘀 𝗽𝗹𝗮𝘆𝗶𝗻𝗴.0 -
Vhozek✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes, lets start to narrow it down to the lowest common denominator so we can make a case against difficult overland content.
Think of the people with no arms.
There are actually legally blind people that play this game. While people with physical disabilites that limit their game performance may be in the extreme minority, they do exist. I have to wonder why you feel that they and everyone else should have no way of scaling down the difficulty, instead of keeping things how they are now where you can strap some level 1 gear on your 810cp toon, disable cp, blind fold your self, play with the touch pad, or whatever you gotta do to make things more difficult?
"legally blind"
Yeah, I've heard that term before. They don't just say "blind" for a reason.
I'm legally blind.
As he ignores the main body of the post.....
Is it worth discussing? You're telling me that physically limiting myself is worth discussing.
Should I tape sausages to my fingers too?
No I'm telling you that it makes no sense to force everyone to play at a higher difficulty. It makes more sense to force everyone to play at a lower difficulty when those like yourself have options to make things tougher. This is really not a hard concept.
Nobody is forcing anyone to play.
inb4 "nobody forcing you to play either"
We learned the game at this trash difficulty, you can do the same. The daily number of players for this game doesn't increase so WHO exactly is new?Edited by Vhozek on November 16, 2019 4:49AM𝗡𝗼𝘁 𝘀𝗼𝗿𝗿𝘆, 𝗺𝗼𝗱𝘀. 𝗙𝗿𝗲𝗲 𝗕𝗶𝗿𝗱 𝘄𝗮𝘀 𝗽𝗹𝗮𝘆𝗶𝗻𝗴.0 -
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yeah against a single trash fodder unit, go do that to a delve boss and they'll probably floor you without any skills, CP, and just swinging. Or go try and fight any group of enemies that isn't a single trash fodder unit. Your video is pretty much the worst possible example of what new players experience.
I have a friend who was CP 160 and needed my help with a delve because he was built so poorly he couldn't beat the boss even at that level. It was a bit sad, but not everybody is big brains with this MMO stuff. Some players make nonsensical hybrid decisions and have no idea how to specialize or maximize their builds.
Then imagine how these players feel stumbling across World Bosses they can never beat solo, and nobody ever shows up to because the zones are all dead. Yeah I can definitely see where their frustrations come from.
It's made even worse when ZOS constantly nerfs to lower the ceiling us vets are at, which hurts those newbies way more than it hurts us.
Same friend I mentioned above struggles with the idea of a rotation and weaving, he just cannot grasp that idea, and thus spams abilities and loses all his resources. If I was new at this point in time, I wouldn't be having a good time either and sustain is the number 1 reason for that, it's absolute garbage now compared to when we all started playing.
.Edited by lagrue on November 16, 2019 4:53AM"You must defeat me every time. I need defeat you only once"4 -
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Can you point me to where you got your facts on the amount of new players?Edited by nickl413 on November 16, 2019 4:55AM3 -
Vhozek✭✭✭✭✭
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Can you point me to where you got your facts on the amount of new players?
Do you really believe there are more new people playing this game than existing players? The game hit a plateau like 2 years ago and the servers can't even handle a literal who celebration event. Please.
You people have been describing new players as if they're absolute brainless so with that logic they are getting this game on Steam.
Steamcharts numbers haven't changed in years.
Those braindead people you defend so much don't exist. They're new, but not braindead.Edited by Vhozek on November 16, 2019 4:59AM𝗡𝗼𝘁 𝘀𝗼𝗿𝗿𝘆, 𝗺𝗼𝗱𝘀. 𝗙𝗿𝗲𝗲 𝗕𝗶𝗿𝗱 𝘄𝗮𝘀 𝗽𝗹𝗮𝘆𝗶𝗻𝗴.0 -
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I just want to know where you got your facts. You've twice mentioned low amounts of new players to support your arguments.2 -
Sylvermynx✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Low amounts of new players? Oy.... Good LORD, there are gazoolas of newbies in Vivec City everywhere, every day. It's almost worth finding somewhere else to craft.
But I guess the only way to fix it is just put crafting stations in the Villa.... lot of messing about, but certainly not more annoying than all the newbies dueling....
*sigh* Gits.1 -
Vhozek✭✭✭✭✭
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I just want to know where you got your facts. You've twice mentioned low amounts of new players to support your arguments.
There, I edited it but I'll explain further.
The video I posted is absolute brainlessness at its absolute peak and you guys keep defending "new players" as if they're absolute brainless people. With that said, being brainless means they will buy this game on Steam not knowing just how bad it is on Steam. Steamcharts numbers have not changed in years and only go up during events that toast the servers.
There is no such thing as a surge of new players to worry about and even half of those are not as brainless as you guys claim.
Lowest common denominator just to defend bad design and some of you go even lower by adding "legally blind" people among other things.
God forbid we boot up a game to play and not use as an alternative for a sleeping aid medicine.
Imagine my shock when the bad guy of the movie is giving your allies more credit than you give them.Edited by Vhozek on November 16, 2019 5:07AM𝗡𝗼𝘁 𝘀𝗼𝗿𝗿𝘆, 𝗺𝗼𝗱𝘀. 𝗙𝗿𝗲𝗲 𝗕𝗶𝗿𝗱 𝘄𝗮𝘀 𝗽𝗹𝗮𝘆𝗶𝗻𝗴.0 -
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yeah against a single trash fodder unit, go do that to a delve boss and they'll probably floor you without any skills, CP, and just swinging. Or go try and fight any group of enemies that isn't a single trash fodder unit. Your video is pretty much the worst possible example of what new players experience. Heck up it a notch and go to Summerset, Morrowind or N. Elsweyr where enemies all have about 50% more HP just to make it worse for these players.
I have a friend who was CP 160 and needed my help with a delve because he was built so poorly he couldn't beat the boss even at that level. It was a bit sad, but not everybody is big brains with this MMO stuff.
Then imagine how these players feel stumbling across World Bosses they can never beat solo, and nobody ever shows up to because the zones are all dead. Yeah I can definitely see where their frustrations come form.
It's made even worse when ZOS constantly nerfs to lower the ceiling us vets are at, which hurts those newbies way more than it hurts us.
Same friend I mentioned above struggles with the idea of a rotation and weaving, he just cannot grasp that idea, and thus spams abilities and loses all his resources.
I've said many times in the past that I'd like SOME overland enemies to be as strong as a delve boss. Those enemies with special HP bars like giants, trolls, mammoths, daedroth.
Again, narrow it down to the lowest common denominator to make an argument. New players are the minority at this point in this game's life.
And wtf, I'm CP like 402 or something and I wouldn't even fight a WB solo. I'm not ready to ruin my experience knowing I can solo a damn WB.
A WORLD BOSS.
I don't know about your friend but I have a history of learning disability as a child and I know that bars gone = bad. I don't believe your claim. Imaginary friends are not real friends.
You cannot prove new players are the minority. Most games it's the exact opposite case, where vets make up a small portion and noobs flood the game. I see a fair mix in ESO.
And well do you think new players are expecting to stumble onto 1.8 Million health World Bosses? Do you think they instantly know it's the only overland content requiring a group or high end setup? They have no idea when it's so inconsistently out of line with everything else in overworld. Most of them don't even know the bosses HP because the settings to show health numbers are off by default.
That last part is pure bait. He obviously knows that no bars is bad - but do you think he's paying attention to his bars when he's fighting for dear life to keep his health up? That's the only bar he seems to focus on. It doesn't help he's hybrid so his heavies only restore one of the resources he actively uses - when he uses both.
I find your attacks there at the end to be quite disingenuous, calling me liar is way over the line of what constitutes an acceptable argument. Make your case like an adult next time.Edited by lagrue on November 16, 2019 5:09AM"You must defeat me every time. I need defeat you only once"4
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