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Khajiit does not appear to be getting critical damage passive bonus
Langeston
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I have 2 magblades (Breton & Khajiit) with identical CP in Elfborn & Precise Strikes (72 & 0 respectively). On the character screen, their critical damage is shown as being the same, despite the Khajiit's 10 point passive bonus. I took off all their gear & the skill bars are identical, so I can't think of another variable that would cause this. Can anyone check to see if they are getting the same results?
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Edited by Langeston on November 15, 2019 7:37PM [edit] Screenshots
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Kel✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Video or screenshots would be appreciated. (I'm at work..can't check myself)
And also...
Great...like orc passives being wonky wasn't enough.
Please, Zos...pretty please. Can this game just work?Edited by Kel on November 15, 2019 6:20PM2 -
NoodleESO✭✭✭✭✭so now not only are their passives bad but now they're useless!
I wonder if more race passives will stop working3 -
OG_Kaveman✭✭✭✭✭Khajiit have a crit hit damage bonus, not a crit hit chance bonus, the former is not on your stat sheet and the later is.
crit hit damage is how much damage you do WHEN you crit, crit hit chance is the percent chance you have TO crit.2 -
Raisin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Perhaps it's a mistake in the addon you're using to display the crit damage modifer?0 -
Dusk_Coven✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭There was (is?) an issue with Orc passives
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/6447820#Comment_6447820
Might be whatever broke that affected all the races.
An audit of the races might be in order.Edited by Dusk_Coven on November 15, 2019 6:41PM1 -
Zevrro✭✭✭✭Critical damage is different to critical chance. Only critical chance is shown on the character sheet.@Zevrro PC-EU
CP 1200+
Azura's Star/Sotha Sil/Bahlokdaan
Magicka Nightblade
AD | Zevrro | Magicka Nightblade | AR43 |
AD | Zevrro II | Magicka Nightblade | AR50 | 09-02-2019 |
DC | Not Zevrro | Magicka Nightblade | AR33 |
EP | Ževrro | Magicka Nightblade | AR14 |Other PvP Characters
AD | Zevrro VII | Stamina Warden | AR33 |
AD | Zevrro XII | Magicka Warden | AR22 |
DC | Not Zevrro II | Magicka Warden | AR14 |
DC | Necrotic Zevrro | Magicka Necromancer | AR17 |
EP | Real-Skyice | Stamina Warden | AR10 |
>156m AP2 -
ChunkyCat✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭ZoS took your Khajiit to the vet and had him declawed.
I blame the owner. Train your Khajiits to not claw up Uncle ZoS’s futon.2 -
Langeston✭✭✭✭✭
✭OG_Kaveman wrote: »Khajiit have a crit hit damage bonus, not a crit hit chance bonus, the former is not on your stat sheet and the later is.
crit hit damage is how much damage you do WHEN you crit, crit hit chance is the percent chance you have TO crit.Critical damage is different to critical chance. Only critical chance is shown on the character sheet.
Yes, I know. I added screenshots.2 -
OG_Kaveman✭✭✭✭✭OG_Kaveman wrote: »Khajiit have a crit hit damage bonus, not a crit hit chance bonus, the former is not on your stat sheet and the later is.
crit hit damage is how much damage you do WHEN you crit, crit hit chance is the percent chance you have TO crit.Critical damage is different to critical chance. Only critical chance is shown on the character sheet.
Yes, I know. I added screenshots.
Definitely an add-on error. Actually do damage to a mob and math out your crit hit damage, by that I mean write down your crit hit damage and the your base damage, then take your crit damage and divide it by your base damage then get back to us, I would use concealed weapon. Even combat metrics had this problem for a long time.Edited by OG_Kaveman on November 15, 2019 7:20PM0 -
Langeston✭✭✭✭✭
✭OG_Kaveman wrote: »OG_Kaveman wrote: »Khajiit have a crit hit damage bonus, not a crit hit chance bonus, the former is not on your stat sheet and the later is.
crit hit damage is how much damage you do WHEN you crit, crit hit chance is the percent chance you have TO crit.Critical damage is different to critical chance. Only critical chance is shown on the character sheet.
Yes, I know. I added screenshots.
Definitely an add-on error. Actually do damage to a mob and math out your crit hit damage, by that I mean write down your crit hit damage and the your base damage, then take your crit damage and divide it by your base damage then get back to us, I would use concealed weapon. Even combat metrics had this problem for a long time.
How can you say "definitely an add-on error" when:
1. we know that Orc passives are (or at least were) borked this last patch
2. neither you nor anyone else has tested it yet?
I was asking to see if anyone else had noticed this because I didn't have the time to do any testing. I appreciate you trying to help, and don't mean this in a rude way: but telling me that it's "definitely an add-on error" when you can't possibly know that (and apparently didn't even know the addon existed) isn't particularly helpful.Edited by Langeston on November 15, 2019 7:29PM3 -
xWarbrain✭✭✭✭✭I'm probably forgetting something obvious, but why is the penetration & crit resistance different with exact same CP & ability bars/no gear equipped? Mundus stones the same? Minor force somehow? If one had 84, +10% = 92.Edited by xWarbrain on November 15, 2019 7:29PMXB1 NA
Your nerf suggestion is dumb. Learn to counter other players instead of having the game rebuilt to your ability level.0 -
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✭I'm probably forgetting something obvious, but why is the penetration & crit resistance different with exact same CP & ability bars/no gear equipped? Mundus stones the same? Minor force somehow? If one had 84, +10% = 92.
Thank you for pointing that out & sorry for the confusion — I wasn't clear: the CP in Elfborn & Precise Strikes is identical. OP has been edited to reflect this.
Mundus is the same, no gear & no buffs.Edited by Langeston on November 15, 2019 7:40PM0 -
OG_Kaveman✭✭✭✭✭@langeston I can say that because I have 2 khaijit myself and when I use an up to date add-on, like combat metrics, the crit hit damage percentage is there, right now, in that add on. I mean you go on and on about testing but my stats are perfect on that add-on. Ergo, it is an add-on issue.
You just need to go find a mob or 2, test it for yourself and you will see. Personally, I would get rid of the add-on you are using there. I am pretty sure it is not up to date and combat metrics is. Just use that addon.Edited by OG_Kaveman on November 15, 2019 9:02PM0 -
Langeston✭✭✭✭✭
✭OG_Kaveman wrote: »@langeston I can say that because I have 2 khaijit myself and when I use an up to date add-on, like combat metrics, the crit hit damage percentage is there, right now, in that add on. I mean you go on and on about testing but my stats are perfect on that add-on. Ergo, it is an add-on issue.
You just need to go find a mob or 2, test it for yourself and you will see. Personally, I would get rid of the add-on you are using there. I am pretty sure it is not up to date and combat metrics is. Just use that addon.
I didn't "go on and on" about anything — you mentioned testing it myself & I responded to that. If you had also mentioned that in "combat metrics, the crit hit damage percentage is there, right now" in the first place, we wouldn't even be having this conversation.
In any case, thank you for [eventually] getting around to telling me that.
Regards
[edit] Also, the addon worked perfectly fine as recently as a couple weeks ago, (around the time ZOS broke orc passives) so I think my question was an understandable one.Edited by Langeston on November 15, 2019 9:25PM0 -
Zevrro✭✭✭✭OG_Kaveman wrote: »Khajiit have a crit hit damage bonus, not a crit hit chance bonus, the former is not on your stat sheet and the later is.
crit hit damage is how much damage you do WHEN you crit, crit hit chance is the percent chance you have TO crit.Critical damage is different to critical chance. Only critical chance is shown on the character sheet.
Yes, I know. I added screenshots.
Only way to confirm would be on a target dummy. Its possible that its bugged in the same way that orc was or it could be a problem with the addon. I don't have a khajiit to test it though.@Zevrro PC-EU
CP 1200+
Azura's Star/Sotha Sil/Bahlokdaan
Magicka Nightblade
AD | Zevrro | Magicka Nightblade | AR43 |
AD | Zevrro II | Magicka Nightblade | AR50 | 09-02-2019 |
DC | Not Zevrro | Magicka Nightblade | AR33 |
EP | Ževrro | Magicka Nightblade | AR14 |Other PvP Characters
AD | Zevrro VII | Stamina Warden | AR33 |
AD | Zevrro XII | Magicka Warden | AR22 |
DC | Not Zevrro II | Magicka Warden | AR14 |
DC | Necrotic Zevrro | Magicka Necromancer | AR17 |
EP | Real-Skyice | Stamina Warden | AR10 |
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Langeston✭✭✭✭✭
✭OG_Kaveman wrote: »@langeston I can say that because I have 2 khaijit myself and when I use an up to date add-on, like combat metrics, the crit hit damage percentage is there, right now, in that add on. I mean you go on and on about testing but my stats are perfect on that add-on. Ergo, it is an add-on issue.
You just need to go find a mob or 2, test it for yourself and you will see. Personally, I would get rid of the add-on you are using there. I am pretty sure it is not up to date and combat metrics is. Just use that addon.
Where in combat metrics is this information displayed? I am not very familiar with the addon & I can't seem to find it.Edited by Langeston on November 15, 2019 9:40PM0 -
J2JMC✭✭✭✭✭I also noticed this post dragonhold update. I didn't realize the khajit bonus itself wasn't being calculated on the stat sheet, but I did notice I was not seeing the number I expected. The actual damage being done was correct from when I tested. Just the stat sheet was off.Knee Jerk, L2P, Obtuse, Casual, Entitled, All The Best, unnecessary mention of CoD
Battle leveling for pve content defeats the idea of progression. Remove CP
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OG_Kaveman✭✭✭✭✭OG_Kaveman wrote: »@langeston I can say that because I have 2 khaijit myself and when I use an up to date add-on, like combat metrics, the crit hit damage percentage is there, right now, in that add on. I mean you go on and on about testing but my stats are perfect on that add-on. Ergo, it is an add-on issue.
You just need to go find a mob or 2, test it for yourself and you will see. Personally, I would get rid of the add-on you are using there. I am pretty sure it is not up to date and combat metrics is. Just use that addon.
Where in combat metrics is this information displayed? I am not very familiar with the addon & I can't seem to find it.
Man, I don't understand what is so hard about just wacking a dummy to get the numbers and figure it the math out yourself. You don't need an add-on for this. It is literally one equation.
I also misspoke, when I said on you were going on about testing, I meant to say you are going on and on about orc passives and such. Orc passives are not the issue here. Khaijit passives are. It reads like you are looking for any reason to take a shot at ZoS.
The crit hit damage percentage is under your crit chance in the middle of the display. Which is under your weapon/spell damage, which is under your max stats. It is easy to find. I would draw a picture for you but i am not at my PC.
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And0ssus✭✭✭i didn't Play my Khajit this patch, but as they changed the racial passives, Addons Like cmx didn't Show the additional 10% crit dmg from khajit and it still didn't shown right Last Patch in cmx. So it wouldn't Wonder me, If some Addons still don't show the right value for Khajits.
Its eazy to Test. Go on a Dummy, Hit him a few Times and Look with cmx whats your max Hits are.
Do this one time with the racial passives and in time without them.
If there is a difference, passives are working. If not, then they are bugged.Edited by And0ssus on November 16, 2019 12:14AM0 -
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a) Where did I say it was "hard," and b) where did I say I "needed an addon"? I already had Combat Metrics installed but it's a feature I didn't know about — why is me asking about it even an issue?OG_Kaveman wrote: »OG_Kaveman wrote: »@langeston I can say that because I have 2 khaijit myself and when I use an up to date add-on, like combat metrics, the crit hit damage percentage is there, right now, in that add on. I mean you go on and on about testing but my stats are perfect on that add-on. Ergo, it is an add-on issue.
You just need to go find a mob or 2, test it for yourself and you will see. Personally, I would get rid of the add-on you are using there. I am pretty sure it is not up to date and combat metrics is. Just use that addon.
Where in combat metrics is this information displayed? I am not very familiar with the addon & I can't seem to find it.
Man, I don't understand what is so hard about just wacking a dummy to get the numbers and figure it the math out yourself. You don't need an add-on for this. It is literally one equation.
Huh? I mentioned the orc passives literally one time — how is that "going on and on" about it?I also misspoke, when I said on you were going on about testing, I meant to say you are going on and on about orc passives and such. Orc passives are not the issue here. Khaijit passives are.
Regardless, for someone as condescending as you are, you seem to be having a lot of difficulty understanding why the thought would cross someone's mind that more than one race's passives could have been affected by this last patch. This [apparent] disparity in the Khajiit crit damage passive showed up at the exact same time the Orc passives were broken — it wasn't outside the realm of possibility that the two were connected.
Please quote what I said that would lead you to that conclusion.It reads like you are looking for any reason to take a shot at ZoS.
The only display I knew about that came with Combat Metrics was the Live Report Window which doesn't contain any of that. I didn't know about the "/cmx" window until about 10 minutes ago, after I revisited the CMX homepage. There's no need for you to "draw a picture."The crit hit damage percentage is under your crit chance in the middle of the display. Which is under your weapon/spell damage, which is under your max stats. It is easy to find. I would draw a picture for you but i am not at my PC.
In any case, thanks for the condescension. I can only hope that the next time you have a question about something you've never encountered before, you're treated with the same level of respect you've given me.
Have a great day.
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Kolzki✭✭✭✭✭Looks like a problem with an addon to me. As others have said, crit damage does appear on the char sheet unless put there by an addon. I'm not sure which addon that is, maybe harven's extended stats?
Combat metrics reports the khajiit crit damage passive correctly for me but it didn't when the racial passive changes were first released. Could be a similar problem. Maybe check that your addons are up to date?
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✭✭✭✭✭The Passive is 10% additional damage done to Critical Damage. I take that as any Crit damage we do, we do an additional 10% than we normally would. I don't believe this would show up as a static number of a stat sheet.CP2,100 Master Explorer - AvA Two Star Warlord - Console Peasant - Khajiiti Aficionado - The Clan
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Langeston✭✭✭✭✭
✭OG_Kaveman wrote: ». In any case, thanks for the condescension.
You're welcome.
I'll take that as you conceding that you can't answer any of the points I made.
I accept your concession.😉Edited by Langeston on November 16, 2019 2:47AM0 -
OG_Kaveman✭✭✭✭✭OG_Kaveman wrote: ». In any case, thanks for the condescension.
You're welcome.
I'll take that as you conceding that you can't answer any of the points I made.
I accept your concession.😉
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