what class and race can do all roles easy without switching race

starkerealm · November 2019

BlissfulDelusions wrote: »

I'd say if you want a well-rounded race, pick Khajiit for all three roles, or Dunmer for strictly DPS between both stamina and magicka.

As for the most well-rounded classes, I'd suggest either Templar, Warden or Necromancer. All these three have the needed skills to fulfill all the roles, whereas the other classes don't do every role just as well.

Templar tanks suffer for a lack of CC options. You can kludge it with stuff like Wall of Ice, but it's an awkward fit.

starkerealm · November 2019

gresiac wrote: »

What about argonian necromancer ?

Argonian Necro would work.

p_tsakirisb16_ESO · November 2019

gresiac wrote: »

anyone ever tryed that ?

Khajiit Templar or Khajiit Warden.

p_tsakirisb16_ESO · November 2019

starkerealm wrote: »

BlissfulDelusions wrote: »

I'd say if you want a well-rounded race, pick Khajiit for all three roles, or Dunmer for strictly DPS between both stamina and magicka.

As for the most well-rounded classes, I'd suggest either Templar, Warden or Necromancer. All these three have the needed skills to fulfill all the roles, whereas the other classes don't do every role just as well.

Templar tanks suffer for a lack of CC options. You can kludge it with stuff like Wall of Ice, but it's an awkward fit.

LOL. Templar tanks are fine and have more options to do damage than DK.
As for staff isn't needed. We talk here about jack of all trades character, you won't take him to some elitist group doing HM vet trials.
Normal trials is fine even with a bow or dual Shield.

starkerealm · November 2019

p_tsakirisb16_ESO wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

BlissfulDelusions wrote: »

I'd say if you want a well-rounded race, pick Khajiit for all three roles, or Dunmer for strictly DPS between both stamina and magicka.

As for the most well-rounded classes, I'd suggest either Templar, Warden or Necromancer. All these three have the needed skills to fulfill all the roles, whereas the other classes don't do every role just as well.

Templar tanks suffer for a lack of CC options. You can kludge it with stuff like Wall of Ice, but it's an awkward fit.

LOL. Templar tanks are fine and have more options to do damage than DK.
As for staff isn't needed. We talk here about jack of all trades character, you won't take him to some elitist group doing HM vet trials.
Normal trials is fine even with a bow or dual Shield.

Outgoing damage doesn't matter on a tank. Yeah, I've been in those bad PUGs where I'm the tank, and pulling 50% of group DPS. But saying, "lack of CC doesn't matter for the tank, just do damage," just tells me, "you don't tank."

We're also not talking about making a hybrid to do whatever (I seriously hope), we're talking about having a race/class combo that can be respecced into any role.

mayasunrising · November 2019

I've tanked, healed, and DPSed with no difficulty on my main. She's a breton sorc.

richo262 · November 2019

p_tsakirisb16_ESO wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

BlissfulDelusions wrote: »

I'd say if you want a well-rounded race, pick Khajiit for all three roles, or Dunmer for strictly DPS between both stamina and magicka.

As for the most well-rounded classes, I'd suggest either Templar, Warden or Necromancer. All these three have the needed skills to fulfill all the roles, whereas the other classes don't do every role just as well.

Templar tanks suffer for a lack of CC options. You can kludge it with stuff like Wall of Ice, but it's an awkward fit.

LOL. Templar tanks are fine and have more options to do damage than DK.
As for staff isn't needed. We talk here about jack of all trades character, you won't take him to some elitist group doing HM vet trials.
Normal trials is fine even with a bow or dual Shield.

Options to do damage? No tank is there to do damage.

Anyway, Dark Elf / Kitteh are the races that have the option to do Stam / Mag at equal levels. So they can satisfy MagDPS, StamDPS, Kitteh would probably make a better healer as Crit Damage effects heals. Neither are ideally suited for tanking, but ultimately tanking doesn't rely too heavily on racials anyway. Nord is nice with the res and ulti generation, but skills can bring res to cap and ulti gen is not game breaking to not have. Dunmer / Kitteh both add Stam and Mag, which tanks use both, it can be handy.

Olupajmibanan · November 2019

Argonian Warden would be my bet. Not only you will be able to tank, heal and DD in PvE, Argonian is great even in PvP.

If your question is which combination of race and class can do all three roles effectively it's Argonian Warden. But this combination pidgeonholes you to magicka when it comes to DD, but reading your topic this isn't an issue for you.

FierceSam · November 2019

When the right answer is “all of them, it’s really down to the player” we will know that the race/class thing has been sorted.

And that should be the right answer.

barney2525 · November 2019

I would think dark elf templar - but I can't get past how ugly the dark elf is

IMHO

actosh · November 2019

Dunmer Warden, can do it all good enough, mag or stam would be your choice. Damn flexible.

Tommy_The_Gun · November 2019

Olupajmibanan wrote: »

Argonian Warden would be my bet. Not only you will be able to tank, heal and DD in PvE, Argonian is great even in PvP.

Argonian passives look good, but only on paper. Even in PvP, you are just gimping yourself vs other races. I know that potion passive looks tempting, but it is not worth it. It makes your for example not able to drink weapon/spell dmg potions when you need them, but rather you have to wait for one of your resource bars to get lower, otherwise you are wasting your racial passives. Other important note here is that you can not use potions when you are CCed hard, meaning that if you are low on stamina on an argonian and you will get stunned it is GG as you can not use potion to get stamina to break free.

Also live meander passive increases your Healing Done by 6%. A set bonus gives 4%, which makes this passive kinda obsolete. The whole reason why Argonian was popular for PvP pre-wrathstone (racial rebalance) is that they used to have Increased healing done and healing received by 5% (not the potion passive, unlike many people think) and there were simply no other good "tanky" race to chose.

If you are looking for "Jack of all trades, master of none" type of a race, then I think it is pretty much only Khajiit or Dark Elf.

Also "content" would be nice. For questing & overland & maybe even base game normal content - any race / class combo will do. But for DLC dungeons (even on normal), trials, or for PvP - It wont work, as you will see big differences how race / class performs vs each other.

ankeor · November 2019

Race: Dunmer or Khajiit
Class: Pick what you like.

Sparr0w · November 2019

Race: Darkelf or Khajiit - Both of these get bonuses to Stamina & Magicka. Darkelf also get weapon/spell damage, khajiit get health + recovery + 10% crit damage/healing.
(Any race can be decent for any role tho, as long as you're not pushing scores, just some are more suited than others)

Class: Warden or Necro - Warden is better for healing, Necro better for damage. Both are pretty equal for tanking.
(All classes do typically have 2 roles they're great at, 1 they're lacking a little in, but they are all perfectly viable.)

Drako_Ei · November 2019

Dark elf/Khajiit Warden/Necromancer

Fur_like_snow · November 2019

Khajiit Templar.

Asardes · November 2019

Dark Elf Warden
- Dark Elf has passives that makes it one of the best races for both Magicka and Stamina DPS; having 2.5K extra stamina as magicka player is actually very good, since you'll be able to play mechanics better (roll, block, run) and the ~250 less magicka compared to High Elf or ~200 less stamina compared to Orc are insignificant for DPS.
- For tanking race doesn't matter that much, you'll just have to spend more points in HP to get to the 40-45K needed in trials, but you'll have big resource pools for both stamina and magicka by default, the extra spell & weapon damage is not wasted either since it will buff some healing skills.
- Warden is a good tank since it has good sustain from passives and Bull Netch, mitigation (extra resistance from passives, Minor Protection), buffs and debuffs (Minor Toughness, AoE Major Resolve, Minor Vulnerability) as well as timed purge (netch) and an unique synergy (harvest).
- Warden is arguably the best healer, and you won't have sustain problem if you run Blue Betty, buffs and debuffs (same as above).

DTStormfox · November 2019

Templar is the most all-rounded class.
Khajiit is the most all-rounded race.

I agree with people above that Warden and Necromancer are also good all-rounders, and would like to mention that Imperial and Argonian are well-rounded races

Deathlord92 · November 2019

I main a Breton stamblade and I really enjoy it and do very well pvp and pve actually my passives do play to my advantage in pvp.

Asardes · November 2019

The 2nd best option would be Necromancer which is good in all 3 roles but besides the Major Vulnerability from Colossus it doesn't really bring any unique debuffs. Tanks will generate fast ultimate, healers have some decent skills, but nothing really unique. So I'd say is more focused towards DPS.

Regarding other classes:
- Templar & Sorcerer (stamina) are bad options for tank - no unique debuffs, bad sustain - Templar depends on either Repentance (you need bodies) or Restoring Focus (you need to stand still), and sorcerer on a channeled ability, Dark Deal - to hold block for long periods. They have no unique buffs or debuffs - PotL can be done better by a Stamina Templar DD or the healer (in that case it can work as a stamina dump to keep Martial Knowledge active); sorcerer has nothing whatsoever. Also Templar has no burst self heal that scales on health, which is essential in some situations and has to rely more on healers some sets like Earthgore; Sorcerer has the Clannfear which is quite good in that role though.
- DK is a mediocre healer at best since it doesn't have any unique buffs that can't be gotten from a DK tank or DD (Minor Brutality), but has some unique, but lackluster heals - Cinder Storm (weak tool tip, small radius, the only advantage is that it allows you to activate Olorime on target), Cauterize (may work in small groups, but not for trials since it only hits one player) and Obsidian Shard (awkward to use, hits too few players).
- Nightblades can be very good DDs and Tanks but in terms of healing they don't bring much to the table: Refreshing Path is a decent AoE heal and gives Major Expedition (not that useful), Funnel Health only heals 2 people, Offering only targets one.

GusTheWizard · November 2019

I’ve done all three roles in vdlc dungeons and trials on my Breton Warden, but of course I was only ever magicka dps.

Luckylancer · November 2019

Dunmers cant be good tanks. It will be total waste of 5 piece bonus. They can be good for other 3 roles.

"all classes and races can do all roles" is wrong. Redguard magplar, breton stamden etc are significantly worse than the class's potential. You can play it but you are crippling yourself and there is no counter argument for this, it is a fact.

russelmmendoza · November 2019

Best race/class.

Eso combat dev team.

They beat everyone with their nerf hammer.

Que horror.

GrimTheReaper45 · November 2019

id say agronian templar.

templar is pretty decent in all roles.

argonian might not seem like a good choice for dps but sustain is good so you can build dps in other areas. I cant really think of other race that can tank and heal

MJallday · November 2019

Breton Templar

Can make a sustainable tank and healer
Dps isn’t great this patch but it was up there last patch

vgabor · November 2019

Breton Warden

For race:
- healing is magicka
- tanking is magicka for active abilities, you mostly use stamina for blocking
- dps can be either magicka or stamina

Conclusion: you want a race helping magicka, in particular which helps actively casting abilities.

For classes:
- healing: great templar, warden; good necromancer; limited nightblade, dragonknight, sorcerer;
- tanking: great dragonknight, warden; good necromancer, nightblade; limited: templar, sorcerer;
- dps: great necromancer, templar; good dragonknight, sorcerer, nightblade, warden; limited: -;

Conclusion: if you want all three roles warden is the best choice, necromancer is second best. While there are better alternatives for each individual roles, neither warden nor necro are limited in any roles, just warden great at two roles while necro only good. If you want to focus on two roles: healer+tank -> warden, healer+dps -> templar, tank+dps -> dragonknight/necro.

gresiac · November 2019

Ok Im gonna play necromancer now I need help decide the race 🙈

Kali_Despoine · November 2019

Aznarb wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Aznarb wrote: »

Warden and Sorcerer are the best for versatility imho.
Idc about race, verything can work, but I guess Dumner/Khajiit are the more versatile.

Dunmer and Khajiit have the most balanced stats for any role, along with Argonians. But when you step away from focusing on attributes, you do have more useful options.

But that not what OP asked. He asked for easy switch.

There is no easy switch. You will have to change ability points, CP and skills/morphs.
I have been running a khakis Necro. I have a beast tank, stamdeeps and healer build for her. I have not switched her to magdeeps yet but soon.

azjuwelz · November 2019

I have a Khajit Warden, and though she's totally a healer, she's also had to play tank and dps in dungeons on a moment's notice, and she's done very well in pvp as well.

So I'd say that's the easiest. Haven't played a Dunmer before so I can't comment on that.

Dusk_Coven · November 2019

I know someone who runs a hybrid build and can tank/heal/dps all on the same toon.
Just don't meta and try things out. Some races have passives that support both Stamina and Magicka too, like the Imperial.