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Would you like to see wayshrines replaced with horse cart's and boat's?
NaomiHutt
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Before we start this discussion I am very aware that the state of the servers are currently not ready for changes.
However once that's all fixed would you like to see wayshrines removed and in its place we could have horse carriages and boats as a way of travel.
They would work similar to how it currently is just it would give a more interactive feel to the game.
Carriages could take you anywhere on land, the only time you would use boats is when you need to go over sea.
What do people think?
Or are you happy with the way it currently is?
However once that's all fixed would you like to see wayshrines removed and in its place we could have horse carriages and boats as a way of travel.
They would work similar to how it currently is just it would give a more interactive feel to the game.
Carriages could take you anywhere on land, the only time you would use boats is when you need to go over sea.
What do people think?
Or are you happy with the way it currently is?
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VaranisArano✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No, I'm a Soulless Vestige who's unmoored from the Mundus and thus able to take advantage of the "web of sojourn" by attuning myself to the various nodes created at Wayshrines.
I might as well get some benefit out of not having a soul!
Also, wayshrine travel existed in Skyrim in the Dawnguard DLC, so I find it reasonably immersive.26 -
Skullderic✭✭✭No ~ WS look good. It's Magic! Faaster Zone to Zone port would be nice tho.
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Hapexamendios✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Wayshrines are fine for me. Besides I already have access to carts and boats if I want to use them.4 -
I like the *idea* of this but it's not a regular single player TES game and as @VaranisArano points out, our characters are technically resurrected from the dead, so, no point fixing something that isn't broke.
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starkerealm✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Uh, the Navigator system is already a thing. There are NPCs on boats and (in some cases) horse drawn carts that will take you to zones you haven't even visited yet. This isn't a replacement for the Wayshrine system, but if you're really interested in this level of immersive content (or if you're just hitting new zones on a new character), this is already a thing.9 -
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Kiralyn2000✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No, I've never been interested in the "take a cart everywhere! Immersion!" mods for Skyrim/etc. I'm fine with Fast Travel in the single player games, and I'm fine with Wayshrines here.3 -
Dusk_Coven✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭We already have carts and boats but no one uses them because they are (1) not as well marked as wayshrines (2) don't have the same convenient pathing as wayshrines.
If you replaced them with "mundane" modes of transport people can't handle the mental shift to think that a cart can take them across water to Betnikh. But, strangely, they can handle the idea of teleporting because they are special unkillable people who rez.
It's too late to re-educate the community now, I think. If they introduced it early on and didn't have wayshrines so embedded, you'd have a shot. And when you died, you rez at a clinic or morgue or field hospital or whatever because your loyal pet dog dragged you there (look! a p2w pet!). Instead, we are now conditioned to think wayshrines are actually plausible.Edited by Dusk_Coven on November 15, 2019 2:37AM0 -
Kiralyn2000✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Dusk_Coven wrote: »If you replaced them with "mundane" modes of transport people can't handle the mental shift to think that a cart can take them across water to Betnikh. But, strangely, they can handle the idea of teleporting because they are special unkillable people who rez.
I've used the Navigators to get my new alts around various places for Events. (And now I can use the several houses I own).
But I can "handle" the idea of teleporting because - it's a game. I don't need 'lore' to explain it, it's a QoL/game mechanic/convenience feature.
edit: remember, kids - this is an MMO. Not Skyrim, with lots of bonus Inconvenience er, "Immersion" mods added. Just because that's your fetish, doesn't mean that everyone who doesn't think the same way you do is some feeble-minded troglodyte who "can't handle mental shifts".
(And remember - I only have to use those gameplay features because I don't have an extensive Guild & Friends' list, which one can use to 'teleport to other player'. So, yeah.)Edited by Kiralyn2000 on November 15, 2019 2:49AM3 -
Guyle✭✭✭✭✭I mean, it certainly would be more immersive by explaining why load screens are so long.6
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Dusk_Coven✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Kiralyn2000 wrote: »I've used the Navigators to get my new alts around various places for Events. (And now I can use the several houses I own).
But I can "handle" the idea of teleporting because - it's a game. I don't need 'lore' to explain it, it's a QoL/game mechanic/convenience feature.
Something they could do with this boats and carts idea that would be as good as wayshrines is a "network map" like in Cyrodiil. Instead of keeps, your destination points are boats and carts and rickshaws.
People just need to be presented with it early enough to normalize it.
Whatever it is though, as long as it's convenient, players will justify using it and handwave any lore concerns. And for any Fast Travel system, that is the defining trait -- convenience.
Edited by Dusk_Coven on November 15, 2019 2:53AM1 -
alexlalas✭✭No. The single thing not f***ed up in the game are wayshrines. Do not fix what is not broken.1 -
starkerealm✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭starkerealm wrote: »
Nahh, thatd just make the load screen last even longer.
If it did not, then it would be cool. Destiny 2 does something like this, where you can see your Fireteam's Jump Ships on the load screen.
However, if it did extend load times, I agree, not worth it.2 -
max_only✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭They have carts and boats already. The npcs are called Navigators.
It’s just a load screen, but so is a wayshrine.
Anyway they already “missed the boat” on that when they implemented nix ox rides in Vvardenfell but didn’t do anything special. You character should have been “stunned” into an animation of getting in the seat, then the load screen, then your character getting out of the seat. I mean, there is a cut when you enter the nix ox tower that clearly could put you in a mini solo instance or something.
Edit, I do miss zeppelin rides from classic wow and Allods.Edited by max_only on November 15, 2019 3:05AM#FiteForYourRite Bosmer = Stealth
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starkerealm✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭They have carts and boats. The npcs are called Navigators.
It’s just a load screen, but so is a wayshrine.
Anyway they already “missed the boat” on that when they implemented nix ox rides in Vvardenfell but didn’t do anything special. You character should have been “stunned” into an animation of getting in the seat, then the load screen, then your character getting out of the seat. I mean, there is a cut when you enter the nix ox tower that clearly could put you in a mini solo instance or something.
Edit, I do miss zeppelin rides from classic wow and Allods.
Silt Strider, not Nix Ox. But, yeah, that is another example of in game travel I didn't think of.3 -
max_only✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭starkerealm wrote: »They have carts and boats. The npcs are called Navigators.
It’s just a load screen, but so is a wayshrine.
Anyway they already “missed the boat” on that when they implemented nix ox rides in Vvardenfell but didn’t do anything special. You character should have been “stunned” into an animation of getting in the seat, then the load screen, then your character getting out of the seat. I mean, there is a cut when you enter the nix ox tower that clearly could put you in a mini solo instance or something.
Edit, I do miss zeppelin rides from classic wow and Allods.
Silt Strider, not Nix Ox. But, yeah, that is another example of in game travel I didn't think of.
Correction noted
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bmnoble✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭No it would be a waste of time and resources that could be better spent fixing any number of bugs and performance issues in the game.1 -
Sylvermynx✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Um. No. I'm not into that sort of "quasi medieval" transportation system. I play games to have fun, RP my chars in my mind, and get things done without a lot of "wasted on the ground" time.
Some of your posts, OP, tend to make me wonder just who you may be representing....1 -
NaomiHutt✭✭✭✭Sylvermynx wrote: »Um. No. I'm not into that sort of "quasi medieval" transportation system. I play games to have fun, RP my chars in my mind, and get things done without a lot of "wasted on the ground" time.
Some of your posts, OP, tend to make me wonder just who you may be representing....
What do you mean? I'm not representing anyone, they are just ideas I have that could make the game more immersive.
I'm happy with wayshrines, but I would also be happy with this new idea.0 -
driosketch✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭1) Teleportation has been in Elder Scrolls since the days of Morrowind and Daggerfall.
2) As mentioned, we have a network of carts and boats connecting the zones already. If you forego fast travel within a zone, (exception for Silt Striders), you have an immersive option already.
3) It's all just loading screens either way. Doesn't really make a difference, I think.
(Well maybe with a decent animated scene, if done well.)Main: Drio Azul ~ DC, Redguard, Healer/Magicka Templar ~ NA-PC
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Sylvermynx✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Immersive is in my mind. I don't need a game to provide immersion. What I mean is, the stuff you've been posting comes across as either wanting to pad your stars, or you're invested in some oddball "we want to see this sort of stuff happening" bunch of groupies.1 -
VaranisArano✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Dusk_Coven wrote: »We already have carts and boats but no one uses them because they are (1) not as well marked as wayshrines (2) don't have the same convenient pathing as wayshrines.
If you replaced them with "mundane" modes of transport people can't handle the mental shift to think that a cart can take them across water to Betnikh. But, strangely, they can handle the idea of teleporting because they are special unkillable people who rez.
It's too late to re-educate the community now, I think. If they introduced it early on and didn't have wayshrines so embedded, you'd have a shot. And when you died, you rez at a clinic or morgue or field hospital or whatever because your loyal pet dog dragged you there (look! a p2w pet!). Instead, we are now conditioned to think wayshrines are actually plausible.
But, but I AM a special unkillable person who resurrects through the combination of my soul shriven body of chaotic creatia (thanks for nothing, Molag Bal) and my reattunement to Nirn (Thanks Prophet and skyshards!)
That's like, the first thing that happened to me after walking up in that cell in Coldharbor!
(We can complain that ZOS added lore about wayshrines and rezzing to ESO, but they did actually add the lore to make it plausible.
https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Chaotic_Creatia:_The_Azure_Plasm
https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Wayshrines_of_Tamriel
In any case, as noted, we had Wayshrine travel in Dawnguard, and Oblivion's Knights of the Nine wayshrines tended to give me trippy visions about Pelinal Whitestrake.)Edited by VaranisArano on November 15, 2019 3:22AM2 -
Sylvermynx✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »Dusk_Coven wrote: »We already have carts and boats but no one uses them because they are (1) not as well marked as wayshrines (2) don't have the same convenient pathing as wayshrines.
If you replaced them with "mundane" modes of transport people can't handle the mental shift to think that a cart can take them across water to Betnikh. But, strangely, they can handle the idea of teleporting because they are special unkillable people who rez.
It's too late to re-educate the community now, I think. If they introduced it early on and didn't have wayshrines so embedded, you'd have a shot. And when you died, you rez at a clinic or morgue or field hospital or whatever because your loyal pet dog dragged you there (look! a p2w pet!). Instead, we are now conditioned to think wayshrines are actually plausible.
But, but I AM a special unkillable person who resurrects through the combination of my soul shriven body of chaotic creatia (thanks for nothing, Molag Bal) and my reattunement to Nirn (Thanks Prophet and skyshards.
That's like, the first thing that happened to me after walking up in that cell in Coldharbor!
(We can complain that ZOS added lore about wayshrines and rezzing to ESO, but they did actually add the lore to make it plausible.
https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Chaotic_Creatia:_The_Azure_Plasm
https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Wayshrines_of_Tamriel
In any case, as noted, we had Wayshrine travel in Dawnguard, and Oblivion's Knights of the Nine wayshrines tended to give me trippy visions about Pelinal Whitestrake.)
@VaranisArano - hoo boy, gave me a giggle there!
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NaomiHutt✭✭✭✭Sylvermynx wrote: »Immersive is in my mind. I don't need a game to provide immersion. What I mean is, the stuff you've been posting comes across as either wanting to pad your stars, or you're invested in some oddball "we want to see this sort of stuff happening" bunch of groupies.
Yeah you're not making much sense now lol
I post ideas I have because it's good to share ideas and opinions with others.
Like who would like to see armour dyeable, this started off as an idea and overtime became a good part of the game.2
