Langeston wrote: »

I feel like there should be some transparency with regard to what classes each forum user plays. Reading all the "nerf [insert class that kills you a lot]" posts, it's pretty apparent that many people have no clue how classes other than their own favorite actually even work. I think it would be a useful check to be able to see exactly what experience (if any) they have playing the class that they want to destroy.

I don't know the logistics of implementing such a feature, but since our ESO accounts are tied to our forum accounts I can't imagine it being that difficult.

[edit] I'm a bit surprised at the relative hostility this post is receiving. Many seem to think that I proposed that we only consider what class a person plays in determining their credibility. I am unsure where they'd get that from — that isn't what I said at all, and it couldn't be further from the truth. I do, however, think it would be helpful information to have.

No. You want to try to invalidate someone else's arguments by attacking their characters instead of debating their ideas because you can't think of a solid argument of your own.

Stick to debating the idea, not the person.

I dont mind this

OP, it doesn't really matter what your intention is.

Thing is, your idea absolutely would be used to discredit players. That's sort of the whole point.

You seem to imagine it being like:
Player 1: "Nerf Sorc! They kill me too quick!"
Player 2: "I see from your profile that you don't play Sorcs. You should L2Play Sorc."
Player 3-5: "Guess we don't have to take this Nerf Sorc seriously until Player 1 Learns2Play Sorc"

Maybe, occasionally, it would be like that.

More often, you'd get:
"I see you only have one max level MagDK on your account. Go away, unqualifed person!"
"You've got three sorcs, of course you don't want sorcs nerfed in PVP!"
Unfortunately, giving posters access to the others' character lists is giving them data without actually giving useful information for the purposes you desire. As a player who plays both PVE and PVP, my class list tells you very little about what I do and don't play. All it does is encourage snap argument based off a 2 second glance at a character sheet that then forces posters onto the defensive to "prove" they have experience - you can already do that in hyperbolic nerf threads without needing to open up that can of worms for other topics.

On rare occasions, the ability to "Gotcha" a hyperbolic nerf-caller might be fun.

On the whole, I think encouraging snap judgments of other players based on their character list is bad for forum conversation.

Imagine the signatures if it listed everyone’s characters.

Langeston wrote: »

I feel like there should be some transparency with regard to what classes each forum user plays.

50% of them plays the no-class in ESO and maybe Warlock in WoW. Everyone is able to have a forum account.

Opinions are always just opinions. The gaming world is full of shills and trolls and the developers are not just reading here and try to code democracy.

Langeston wrote: »

I feel like there should be some transparency with regard to what classes each forum user plays.

I think that it would only give people more fuel for more "naming & shaming". Besides, it could be easily exploited:
For example, if some one would have, lets say a sorc made sorely for speed farming raw materials, after a while such person would have a lot of hours on that one character, so it would seem he/she is an experienced player, but in reality they will have no clue how class works.

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

Langeston wrote: »

I feel like there should be some transparency with regard to what classes each forum user plays.

I think that it would only give people more fuel for more "naming & shaming". Besides, it could be easily exploited:
For example, if some one would have, lets say a sorc made sorely for speed farming raw materials, after a while such person would have a lot of hours on that one character, so it would seem he/she is an experienced player, but in reality they will have no clue how class works.

Yeah, this is a huge issue. More so because each class can do any role. So, I've got a Sorc Tank with a lot of time. I've got a StamSorc with a lot of time, and I've got a MagSorc with a lot of time. (Technically, I have three StamSorcs, but, whatever.)

Here's the problem, my StamSorc is PvE, my MagSorc is exclusively PvP.

Unless you really get into the weeds, you wouldn't be able to tell what my class knowledge is, because on the surface, it'd look like I simply play Sorcs extensively, even though I never heal on them.

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

Langeston wrote: »

[edit] I'm a bit surprised at the relative hostility this post is receiving. Many seem to think that I proposed that we only consider what class a person plays in determining their credibility. I am unsure where they'd get that from — that isn't what I said at all, and it couldn't be further from the truth. I do, however, think it would be helpful information to have.

Except that is exactly what you're proposing by demanding to know what classes they play and what level they are. There is no other way to twist that. You want that information so you can attack the players experiences rather than their arguments.

Even if the OP doesn't wan the info for that reason, as they claim they don't, I have no trouble believing that this is exactly what many other forum posters would use it for: attacking other players character lists rather than their arguments.
Edit: or unfairly assuming bias based on their character list

Langeston wrote: »

2. It's already possible to determine this by simply by looking at someones post history. My suggestion is simply a QoL upgrade to something that already exists.
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I'm simply someone that likes to have as much information available as possible.

Can you kindly address some of the criticism of your idea that amounts to "Actually the information it tells you is superficial and often misleading"?

When you ask for a new forum tool that will be available for every type of post, not just hyperbolic nerf threads by someone who's never played that class, I'd like to see you examine the impact with a little more depth.

I and others have given examples. I'll reiterate one of them:

Your proposed character list would show that I have 3 max level Sorcs.
So I look qualified to say, "Nerf Sorc, its OP in PVP for reason X,Y, Z!"
What your proposed character list doesn't show is that I never play those Sorcs in PVP beyond getting their Alliance War skills.
To prove me wrong or inexperienced, you would have to engage my arguments, which incidentally is the exact same thing you have to do under the status quo.
(In the meantime, I get to deal with everyone thinking I'm a Sorc main, which I'm not.)

So aside from giving you (and every other player who may or may not share your purity of motive) superficial and often misleading information, what does your suggestion really add to forum conversation?

Langeston wrote: »

I feel like there should be some transparency with regard to what classes each forum user plays. Reading all the "nerf [insert class that kills you a lot]" posts, it's pretty apparent that many people have no clue how classes other than their own favorite actually even work. I think it would be a useful check to be able to see exactly what experience (if any) they have playing the class that they want to destroy.

I don't know the logistics of implementing such a feature, but since our ESO accounts are tied to our forum accounts I can't imagine it being that difficult.

[edit] I'm a bit surprised at the relative hostility this post is receiving. Many seem to think that I proposed that we only consider what class a person plays in determining their credibility. I am unsure where they'd get that from — that isn't what I said at all, and it couldn't be further from the truth. I do, however, think it would be helpful information to have.

I have 120 characters across multiple accounts. And only 1 forum account. I'm not the only one with that kind of set up.