Global auction house verses limited traders

EternalDiva · November 2019

Global auction house
1) buyers and sellers only as limited as the realm (or server) you are playing on. Potentially hundreds or thousands of players.
2) auction houses are located in every city and the goods can be accessed from anyone of them. No hoping from city to city, or down beaten path to find what you need.
3) The auction house does take a small fee for items sold on auction house. But you do not pay anyone else for access.
4) prices are governed by competition. Just as with a trader, if the item is limited the price may be jacked out of proportion and only the wealthiest players can afford it. On the other hand, more often, the more sellers you have the better the prices.
5) because you have access to more buyers and sellers its easier to find what you need or easily sell what you farm or create

ESO trading system
1) Limited to 5 guilds for a total of 2500 players to buy and sell from.
2) most guilds demand 150K per week to be a member. You are spending with no guarantee of getting your moneys worth. The guild owner reels in the profits.
3) guild trader also charges a fee per item
4) you will have to travel a LOT if you are looking for something that your limited 5 guilds isnt selling.
5) with less buyers your options for selling usually are not be as good as it is with a global auction house.
6) because access to buyers is limited the items generally sell for higher prices

I have used both systems for years. The global auction house is better by far. T

What I like about the global auction house THE most is that there is no highway robbery from your guild. If you belong to a guild it's about game play. Whether you stay in the guild or get kicked --it is about your game play and attitude toward others. Not about the money the guild owner wants you to provide so that they can make a profit off you.

ESO is a great game. But the trading system only works for the few. Too much like capitalism.

Id also like ESO to stop closing down legitimate conversations about this when one person gets nasty. Delete the nasty person from the thread. Don't shut down the rest of us. Because it kinda looks like you just don't want to hear a different opinion when you do that. Especially when the convo really wasn't contentious at all. Its kind of like the bully yells at the kid chatting amiably to shut up. Then instead of making the bully go away you just shush everyone. Bully wins every time.

You might not want an auction house dear ESO. But you should at least be willing to let us talk about it. And listen to what we are saying. There is nothing to be afraid of. And everything to be gained by LISTENING.

Love you!

P.s to those of you who feel threatened by people talking about auction houses or you are just "so sick of hearing about it"...stop reading things you do not like. Go away. Play your game. Leave those who do want to talk about it alone. Don't be that troll. You know that troll? The one who has no life and goes around looking for people to be rude to. If you dont like the topic go find one you do. Or make up your own!

MartiniDaniels · November 2019

No. ESO's system makes trading and visiting places all over the Tamriel worthwhile.

What you suggest is just a dumb goodies exchange, this maybe more effective to buyer, but less profitable to seller, which means there will be less actual sellers and there will be ton of crap sold by everybody.

Thanks god, AH most probably will cause server meltdown, so we won't see this boring thingie in nearest time.

anitajoneb17_ESO · November 2019

EternalDiva wrote: »

P.s to those of you who feel threatened by people talking about auction houses or you are just "so sick of hearing about it"...stop reading things you do not like. Go away. Play your game. Leave those who do want to talk about it alone. Don't be that troll. You know that troll? The one who has no life and goes around looking for people to be rude to. If you dont like the topic go find one you do. Or make up your own!

So we're not allowed to participate in what you think is "your" topic unless we agree with you. Nice.
So I won't talk about the huuuuge pile of rubbish you just typed and posted.
Am I not a niiiiiiice oh so niiice pupil ?

Royaji · November 2019

Guess I'll be "that troll".

Leave the horse alone. Please.

MartiniDaniels · November 2019

And ESO's system of guild traders with requirements motivates people to sell everything, even rare goods if they are impen/divines. Because you need to meet your selling requirements and somebody may need that particular piece for his build.. now if there will be no requirements, any experienced person with several millions in bank will just destroy/decon everything non-meta on sight. I played WoW and I saw this. Market was filled with meta sure-sellers and everything else was non-existent. ESO trading system is times better.

Varana · November 2019

At this point, it's not worth any more to even look for a dead horse gif.

Grimm13 · November 2019

Royaji wrote: »

Guess I'll be "that troll".

Leave the horse alone. Please.

Varana wrote: »

At this point, it's not worth any more to even look for a dead horse gif.

Thank you for agreeing that this is a long standing issue which has not been addressed.

Chilly-McFreeze · November 2019

EternalDiva wrote: »

ESO trading system
1) Limited to 5 guilds for a total of 2500 players to buy and sell from.

Do your homeworks first please. Everyone can buy from Guild Traders if they grap a kiosk.

preevious · November 2019

Ha ! What a load of biased nonsense...

Everything said about AH is good, everything said about guild traders is bad .. such credibility, I'm going to faint -_-.

Ok, here goes mine :

A global AH eats the souls of impoverished children and grind their puppies to feed bankers.

Guild trader system helps in the development of clean, free and infinite energy.

VaranisArano · November 2019

People have been asking for a global auction house literally since the forums opened up. ZOS? Not interested.

Your points against the ESO System are also really bad. Like, most of them are only true if your guilds never have a trader, which unrealistic in a serious discussion of the trading system. Or if you only every use your bank to buy items instead of going shopping from guild traders.

ESO trading system
1) Limited to 5 guilds for a total of 2500 players to buy and sell from.
Incorrect, as anyone on that server can buy from a guild that has a trader.
2) most guilds demand 150K per week to be a member. You are spending with no guarantee of getting your moneys worth. The guild owner reels in the profits.
Citation needed on that "most guilds demand 150k" please. My guilds on PC/NA were free, 5k, and 25k sales requirements, no fees. That's definitely something that's server specific. Oh, and outside of scam guilds, the guild owner and officers are not raking in the profits for the job they do.
3) guild trader also charges a fee per item
Correction: ZOS charges a 3.5% listing fee, the guild gets a 3.5% sales tax which is set by ZOS, not the guild. There's also a fee for COD.
4) you will have to travel a LOT if you are looking for something that your limited 5 guilds isnt selling.
Correct, for once. Particularly niche items can take some searching, especially if you are picky about price.
5) with less buyers your options for selling usually are not be as good as it is with a global auction house.
Incorrect, as long as your guild has a trader, everyone on the server can buy your goods. See #4 for proof that you can go shopping, though you appear to not want to.
6) because access to buyers is limited the items generally sell for higher prices
Debatable. The counterargument is more like, "items sell for higher prices because its harder to undercut items when you can't look at the whole market at once."

Seriously, I like ESO's trading system, and I can come up with a stronger series of points against it.
1) Not everyone wants to join guilds and ESO' trading system is built almost entirely around guilds and all that goes with them.
2) ESO's trading system is deliberately inconvenient to prevent severe market manipulation, but its also darned inconvenient for players wanting to search for items to buy.
3) ESO's trading system makes it harder for players to undercut prices, which means goods are generally priced higher.

zer0_sum · November 2019

As a newerish player, frankly I dislike this concept of trade guilds massively.

From what I see there is l iterally only 2 types of guides:

1) Trade guilds who don't talk but require a set amount of sales per week.

or

2) Hardcore RP guilds.

That appears to be it. As a newer player I don't, and can't, post anything to anything near the zones I'm at. I don't know the world or where to look so I don't buy either. I'd venture to say 80% of the entire game playerbase completely ignores traders entirely.

I mean sure it's great for the few people that enjoy trading. But most hate it.

Why not both system? Somewhere easy to get to and linked for newer players and people who don't care, but traders for people who want bargain hunting and reposting.

SirAndy · November 2019

EternalDiva wrote: »

... verses ...

There once was a lady of Wright, who shopped much faster than light,
she bought stuff one day in a relative way, which showed up on the previous night.

idk · November 2019

Pretty much an AH is not going to happen in this game in any form as the devs stated the reasons they purposely chose this the guild based trading over an central AH and some of those reason directly concerned the AH itself.

I understand and respect those who prefer a different system for various aspects of the game. However, there are some things the devs should hold true to their vision if it is working fine for the game and this trading system seems to do that just fine though only Zos can see the actual numbers of the millions of gold traded each day vis guild traders.

Langdon64 · November 2019

I love this topic. The simplicity of it is this; players shouldn't be forced to join a guild to sell items, and two; players shouldn't be forced to give their hard-earned gold to another player just so they can sell items in the game. Selling in chat just doesn't cut it when you want to list dozens of items. I'm all for a global AH.

zer0_sum · November 2019

idk wrote: »

Pretty much an AH is not going to happen in this game in any form as the devs stated the reasons they purposely chose this the guild based trading over an central AH and some of those reason directly concerned the AH itself.

I understand and respect those who prefer a different system for various aspects of the game. However, there are some things the devs should hold true to their vision if it is working fine for the game and this trading system seems to do that just fine though only Zos can see the actual numbers of the millions of gold traded each day vis guild traders.

I'm willing to bet anything that 80% or more people ignore trading entirely in this game. If a system isn't being used by the majority of players in the game, your "vision" needs to change and adapt.

Tommy_The_Gun · November 2019

One thing that I would add is:
- Items sold once are bound.
^ Because as far as I can tell, currently that is not the case, so if something is sold cheap, people deliberately buy stuff, just to sell it for more. It only causes unnecessary ramping of the prices.

Also "auction" house is very misleading as there are no "auctions", rather a fixed price. So it would be um... Trading House ?

Anyway OP, as much as I like the idea to have both systems in game:
- Trading guilds.
- Global or per zone "Trading House" with limited sell per week (lets say 5 per week per account).

Trading guild "cartel" / "mafia" (whatever you call it) wont let you. As for a very tiny % of player base they are, They are extremely vocal on forums.
I have seen pretty much all topics about Auction / Trading house or even topics about improving the godawful "WTS/WTB" zone chat spam system to be improved, going to s**t because of them, despite all reason & quite logic and solid arguments.

Royaji · November 2019

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

One thing that I would add is:
- Items sold once are bound.
^ Because as far as I can tell, currently that is not the case, so if something is sold cheap, people deliberately buy stuff, just to sell it for more. It only causes unnecessary ramping of the prices.

Also "auction" house is very misleading as there are no "auctions", rather a fixed price. So it would be um... Trading House ?

Anyway OP, as much as I like the idea to have both systems in game:
- Trading guilds.
- Global or per zone "Trading House" with limited sell per week (lets say 5 per week per account).

Trading guild "cartel" / "mafia" (whatever you call it) wont let you. As for a very tiny % of player base they are, They are extremely vocal on forums.
I have seen pretty much all topics about Auction / Trading house or even topics about improving the godawful "WTS/WTB" zone chat spam system to be improved, going to s**t because of them, despite all reason & quite logic and solid arguments.

You mean solid arguments like in the OP which were debunked almost immediately?

idk · November 2019

zer0_sum wrote: »

idk wrote: »

Pretty much an AH is not going to happen in this game in any form as the devs stated the reasons they purposely chose this the guild based trading over an central AH and some of those reason directly concerned the AH itself.

I understand and respect those who prefer a different system for various aspects of the game. However, there are some things the devs should hold true to their vision if it is working fine for the game and this trading system seems to do that just fine though only Zos can see the actual numbers of the millions of gold traded each day vis guild traders.

I'm willing to bet anything that 80% or more people ignore trading entirely in this game. If a system isn't being used by the majority of players in the game, your "vision" needs to change and adapt.

You are probably right as 80% of those who have purchased the game have probably not logged in over the past few months. Heck, it could also be 80% of the player base of any MMORPG rarely deals with or never deals with an AH in any given month.

The reality is you are just tossing out numbers without any basis for how you came up with those numbers making it pretty meaningless. Hence your reason that Zos needs to change needs to change and adapt is really you not wanting to change and adapt. Nothing more and nothing less.

zer0_sum · November 2019

idk wrote: »

zer0_sum wrote: »

idk wrote: »

Pretty much an AH is not going to happen in this game in any form as the devs stated the reasons they purposely chose this the guild based trading over an central AH and some of those reason directly concerned the AH itself.

I understand and respect those who prefer a different system for various aspects of the game. However, there are some things the devs should hold true to their vision if it is working fine for the game and this trading system seems to do that just fine though only Zos can see the actual numbers of the millions of gold traded each day vis guild traders.

I'm willing to bet anything that 80% or more people ignore trading entirely in this game. If a system isn't being used by the majority of players in the game, your "vision" needs to change and adapt.

You are probably right as 80% of those who have purchased the game have probably not logged in over the past few months. Heck, it could also be 80% of the player base of any MMORPG rarely deals with or never deals with an AH in any given month.

The reality is you are just tossing out numbers without any basis for how you came up with those numbers making it pretty meaningless. Hence your reason that Zos needs to change needs to change and adapt is really you not wanting to change and adapt. Nothing more and nothing less.

This is going against other games with intuitive market systems. WoW's global Auction House is really a nobrainer of an auction system, as dumbed down as you can get. Guild Wars 2 simplifies it as well but adds the ability to post both a request and an item. Allowing crafters to make money by just selling to already bosted requests without looking for customers.

ESO is a complicated system designed for really hardcore traders. This system makes the Stock Market seem easy to get into. I mean if you just want to go into who's in a trade guild and who isn't, more probably aren't in one.

But of course game devs will never admit their vision is wrong. I mean look at wow, "You think you do, but you don't!". They never have and never will admit their system design isn't quite working.

But to me, who cares. I play this game like a single player game with very weird AI.

Rave the Histborn · November 2019

EternalDiva wrote: »

Global auction house
1) buyers and sellers only as limited as the realm (or server) you are playing on. Potentially hundreds or thousands of players.
2) auction houses are located in every city and the goods can be accessed from anyone of them. No hoping from city to city, or down beaten path to find what you need.
3) The auction house does take a small fee for items sold on auction house. But you do not pay anyone else for access.
4) prices are governed by competition. Just as with a trader, if the item is limited the price may be jacked out of proportion and only the wealthiest players can afford it. On the other hand, more often, the more sellers you have the better the prices.
5) because you have access to more buyers and sellers its easier to find what you need or easily sell what you farm or create

ESO trading system
1) Limited to 5 guilds for a total of 2500 players to buy and sell from.
2) most guilds demand 150K per week to be a member. You are spending with no guarantee of getting your moneys worth. The guild owner reels in the profits.
3) guild trader also charges a fee per item
4) you will have to travel a LOT if you are looking for something that your limited 5 guilds isnt selling.
5) with less buyers your options for selling usually are not be as good as it is with a global auction house.
6) because access to buyers is limited the items generally sell for higher prices

I have used both systems for years. The global auction house is better by far. T

What I like about the global auction house THE most is that there is no highway robbery from your guild. If you belong to a guild it's about game play. Whether you stay in the guild or get kicked --it is about your game play and attitude toward others. Not about the money the guild owner wants you to provide so that they can make a profit off you.

ESO is a great game. But the trading system only works for the few. Too much like capitalism.

Id also like ESO to stop closing down legitimate conversations about this when one person gets nasty. Delete the nasty person from the thread. Don't shut down the rest of us. Because it kinda looks like you just don't want to hear a different opinion when you do that. Especially when the convo really wasn't contentious at all. Its kind of like the bully yells at the kid chatting amiably to shut up. Then instead of making the bully go away you just shush everyone. Bully wins every time.

You might not want an auction house dear ESO. But you should at least be willing to let us talk about it. And listen to what we are saying. There is nothing to be afraid of. And everything to be gained by LISTENING.

Love you!

P.s to those of you who feel threatened by people talking about auction houses or you are just "so sick of hearing about it"...stop reading things you do not like. Go away. Play your game. Leave those who do want to talk about it alone. Don't be that troll. You know that troll? The one who has no life and goes around looking for people to be rude to. If you dont like the topic go find one you do. Or make up your own!

Do we really need another of these? AH are too easy to manipulate and guilds are going to devolve into WoW style guilds (PVP/PVE Endgame only). If I wanted this I'd just buy WoW classic and relive doing all of this like it was 2006. The guild owner also doesn't "make a profit off you". That's fundamentally misunderstanding the trader system for an easier to use and far inferior AH system. I'm not in any guilds that charge 150k per week, you're confusing the majority of trading guilds with the top 1% in Rawl'kha and their dues. Those aren't normal.

P.s to those of you who feel threatened by people talking about auction houses or you are just "so sick of hearing about it"...stop reading things you do not like. Go away. Play your game. Leave those who do want to talk about it alone. Don't be that troll. You know that troll? The one who has no life and goes around looking for people to be rude to. If you dont like the topic go find one you do. Or make up your own!

People are sick of it because It's never going to happen. The game is 5 years old and there's no incentive at all to please a very small portion of the player base that wants the game to be WoW. The guild trader system was created and used for a reason and if it was that much of a deterrent or a detriment I think by now it'd be changed.

Maybe instead of just labeling everyone that replies to you as a troll and poisoning the well you should listen to their answers. You're trying to compare the guild trader system to capitalism when in reality you're asking for a more capitalist system. Access to everyone doesn't mean access to wealth to everyone. You're still going to have the same trade flippers and market manipulators you're just going to give them access to all of the items at once which mean more people will do that. Prices don't go down in this situation, people low ball each other for 1gold lower to entice buyers and all the time you spend (ya know like a minute) jumping zone to zone you get to spend double the time multiple times a day repricing your items because they are lost in a sea of listings and undercutting competitors.

zer0_sum · November 2019

Rave the Histborn wrote: »

EternalDiva wrote: »

Global auction house
1) buyers and sellers only as limited as the realm (or server) you are playing on. Potentially hundreds or thousands of players.
2) auction houses are located in every city and the goods can be accessed from anyone of them. No hoping from city to city, or down beaten path to find what you need.
3) The auction house does take a small fee for items sold on auction house. But you do not pay anyone else for access.
4) prices are governed by competition. Just as with a trader, if the item is limited the price may be jacked out of proportion and only the wealthiest players can afford it. On the other hand, more often, the more sellers you have the better the prices.
5) because you have access to more buyers and sellers its easier to find what you need or easily sell what you farm or create

ESO trading system
1) Limited to 5 guilds for a total of 2500 players to buy and sell from.
2) most guilds demand 150K per week to be a member. You are spending with no guarantee of getting your moneys worth. The guild owner reels in the profits.
3) guild trader also charges a fee per item
4) you will have to travel a LOT if you are looking for something that your limited 5 guilds isnt selling.
5) with less buyers your options for selling usually are not be as good as it is with a global auction house.
6) because access to buyers is limited the items generally sell for higher prices

I have used both systems for years. The global auction house is better by far. T

What I like about the global auction house THE most is that there is no highway robbery from your guild. If you belong to a guild it's about game play. Whether you stay in the guild or get kicked --it is about your game play and attitude toward others. Not about the money the guild owner wants you to provide so that they can make a profit off you.

ESO is a great game. But the trading system only works for the few. Too much like capitalism.

Id also like ESO to stop closing down legitimate conversations about this when one person gets nasty. Delete the nasty person from the thread. Don't shut down the rest of us. Because it kinda looks like you just don't want to hear a different opinion when you do that. Especially when the convo really wasn't contentious at all. Its kind of like the bully yells at the kid chatting amiably to shut up. Then instead of making the bully go away you just shush everyone. Bully wins every time.

You might not want an auction house dear ESO. But you should at least be willing to let us talk about it. And listen to what we are saying. There is nothing to be afraid of. And everything to be gained by LISTENING.

Love you!

P.s to those of you who feel threatened by people talking about auction houses or you are just "so sick of hearing about it"...stop reading things you do not like. Go away. Play your game. Leave those who do want to talk about it alone. Don't be that troll. You know that troll? The one who has no life and goes around looking for people to be rude to. If you dont like the topic go find one you do. Or make up your own!

Do we really need another of these? AH are too easy to manipulate and guilds are going to devolve into WoW style guilds (PVP/PVE Endgame only). If I wanted this I'd just buy WoW classic and relive doing all of this like it was 2006. The guild owner also doesn't "make a profit off you". That's fundamentally misunderstanding the trader system for an easier to use and far inferior AH system. I'm not in any guilds that charge 150k per week, you're confusing the majority of trading guilds with the top 1% in Rawl'kha and their dues. Those aren't normal.

P.s to those of you who feel threatened by people talking about auction houses or you are just "so sick of hearing about it"...stop reading things you do not like. Go away. Play your game. Leave those who do want to talk about it alone. Don't be that troll. You know that troll? The one who has no life and goes around looking for people to be rude to. If you dont like the topic go find one you do. Or make up your own!

People are sick of it because It's never going to happen. The game is 5 years old and there's no incentive at all to please a very small portion of the player base that wants the game to be WoW. The guild trader system was created and used for a reason and if it was that much of a deterrent or a detriment I think by now it'd be changed.

Maybe instead of just labeling everyone that replies to you as a troll and poisoning the well you should listen to their answers. You're trying to compare the guild trader system to capitalism when in reality you're asking for a more capitalist system. Access to everyone doesn't mean access to wealth to everyone. You're still going to have the same trade flippers and market manipulators you're just going to give them access to all of the items at once which mean more people will do that. Prices don't go down in this situation, people low ball each other for 1gold lower to entice buyers and all the time you spend (ya know like a minute) jumping zone to zone you get to spend double the time multiple times a day repricing your items because they are lost in a sea of listings and undercutting competitors.

In the end the summarization was the same since launch:

The current system isn't intuitive to new players, it's a hard system of trading to grasp and requires far more effort into which traders to use, what city to use, what trade guild to join that has that based purely on the items you have *now*. Many of us don't give a crap about making top gold off it. I just want to sell off my excess stuff to make more than crap vendor costs.

And as of now:

What's wrong with guilds devolving that way? I'd consider it a vast improvement. There are only 2 types of Guilds from what i see in ESO, traders and RPers. There isn't any other active guilds what so ever really from what I see.

idk · November 2019

zer0_sum wrote: »

idk wrote: »

zer0_sum wrote: »

idk wrote: »

Pretty much an AH is not going to happen in this game in any form as the devs stated the reasons they purposely chose this the guild based trading over an central AH and some of those reason directly concerned the AH itself.

I understand and respect those who prefer a different system for various aspects of the game. However, there are some things the devs should hold true to their vision if it is working fine for the game and this trading system seems to do that just fine though only Zos can see the actual numbers of the millions of gold traded each day vis guild traders.

I'm willing to bet anything that 80% or more people ignore trading entirely in this game. If a system isn't being used by the majority of players in the game, your "vision" needs to change and adapt.

You are probably right as 80% of those who have purchased the game have probably not logged in over the past few months. Heck, it could also be 80% of the player base of any MMORPG rarely deals with or never deals with an AH in any given month.

The reality is you are just tossing out numbers without any basis for how you came up with those numbers making it pretty meaningless. Hence your reason that Zos needs to change needs to change and adapt is really you not wanting to change and adapt. Nothing more and nothing less.

This is going against other games with intuitive market systems. WoW's global Auction House is really a nobrainer of an auction system, as dumbed down as you can get. I.

Intuitive does not mean easy or dumbed down. One could say it is intuitive that trading be done on a social nature since that is how it has been done historically (before the internet).

Further, ESO is it's own game and should not even try to be like other games. Heck, I do not play WoW because I do not want to play a dumbed down game. Besides, ESO is not the first game to have a decentralized trading system. Just some games go with easy dumbed down things. Glad ESO does not.

You are arguing with me as though as though if you win the argument Zos will bend to your will or you just want to argue on the subject. Either way, I was merely pointed out Zos' position on the subject and really do not care that people have different opinions on any subject. The only reason I replied to you in the first place is you replied to me with baseless false information.

zer0_sum · November 2019

idk wrote: »

zer0_sum wrote: »

idk wrote: »

zer0_sum wrote: »

idk wrote: »

Pretty much an AH is not going to happen in this game in any form as the devs stated the reasons they purposely chose this the guild based trading over an central AH and some of those reason directly concerned the AH itself.

I understand and respect those who prefer a different system for various aspects of the game. However, there are some things the devs should hold true to their vision if it is working fine for the game and this trading system seems to do that just fine though only Zos can see the actual numbers of the millions of gold traded each day vis guild traders.

I'm willing to bet anything that 80% or more people ignore trading entirely in this game. If a system isn't being used by the majority of players in the game, your "vision" needs to change and adapt.

You are probably right as 80% of those who have purchased the game have probably not logged in over the past few months. Heck, it could also be 80% of the player base of any MMORPG rarely deals with or never deals with an AH in any given month.

The reality is you are just tossing out numbers without any basis for how you came up with those numbers making it pretty meaningless. Hence your reason that Zos needs to change needs to change and adapt is really you not wanting to change and adapt. Nothing more and nothing less.

This is going against other games with intuitive market systems. WoW's global Auction House is really a nobrainer of an auction system, as dumbed down as you can get. I.

Intuitive does not mean easy or dumbed down. One could say it is intuitive that trading be done on a social nature since that is how it has been done historically (before the internet).

Further, ESO is it's own game and should not even try to be like other games. Heck, I do not play WoW because I do not want to play a dumbed down game. Besides, ESO is not the first game to have a decentralized trading system. Just some games go with easy dumbed down things. Glad ESO does not.

You are arguing with me as though as though if you win the argument Zos will bend to your will or you just want to argue on the subject. Either way, I was merely pointed out Zos' position on the subject and really do not care that people have different opinions on any subject. The only reason I replied to you in the first place is you replied to me with baseless false information.

I'm not saying that at all. I'm saying unless the system was simplified as to not require usage of memberships to trade guilds you'd might get people to take the multiplayer aspect of the game more seriously.

Right now it seems the only guilds anyone joins aren't ones they want to be in at all. They're trade guilds for necessity.

I don't care if they charge me an extra fee to use somebody elses trader I don't want to join your useless trade guild that serves no function at all apart from the usage of a trader. That's not a guild I want to be in. Why should I be forced to join a guild just to access the trade function of the game? Why isn't there an unaffiliated trader that anyone can use?

Grimm13 · November 2019

Alternate Option:

Zone (Regional) auction house aka ZAH or RAH
01) Add 5 selling slots that can be used at any location to all accounts. ( no more than 10 if 5 is to low) (edit: listing fee should equal the listing & tax a guild faces, no advantage over the other).
02) Zone auction houses are accessible at every trader in a Zone and the goods can be accessed from anyone of them. No more hoping from trader to trader in a zone.
03) The ZAH does take a small fee for listing and selling items using the 5 granted selling slots.
04) Greater price competition as all traders have a equal access footing and you have the added listings from any account.
05) It is easier to find what you need or easily sell what you farm or create but you still have to travel to the ZAH's.

06) Trade guilds are still viable and accounts still get the 30 slots per guild of top of the 5 global slots.
07) You can still access your guild store at a Bank but you would need to travel to a ZAH location to see what is on all of that Zone.
08) Multi-bidding is still required for a guild to be part of a ZAH. ZOS can set a ZAH to have 1 available slot or 40 as they see the need to adjust Trader to Account ratio on a per server basis. Place a bid at any ZAH access point (current traders), have a # of Bid slots in ZAH and # of Hire's available in ZAH.
09) Outlaw refuge's are behind a portal from the zone, so I think they all should be part of a Outlaw ZAH instead of that zone.
10) Cyrodill is Faction based and claimed locations. Each Faction is their own ZAH, it makes all claimed locations equal on the access to buyers of that Faction.

I do believe a hybrid system such as this would allow for needed changes, bring greater access and the guild structure. Have better ideas on how to achieve those points, please present them.
ZOS needs a way to place or remove trader to account ratio per server without figuring in where to place them. This addresses that ability.

idk · November 2019

zer0_sum wrote: »

idk wrote: »

zer0_sum wrote: »

idk wrote: »

zer0_sum wrote: »

idk wrote: »

Pretty much an AH is not going to happen in this game in any form as the devs stated the reasons they purposely chose this the guild based trading over an central AH and some of those reason directly concerned the AH itself.

I understand and respect those who prefer a different system for various aspects of the game. However, there are some things the devs should hold true to their vision if it is working fine for the game and this trading system seems to do that just fine though only Zos can see the actual numbers of the millions of gold traded each day vis guild traders.

I'm willing to bet anything that 80% or more people ignore trading entirely in this game. If a system isn't being used by the majority of players in the game, your "vision" needs to change and adapt.

You are probably right as 80% of those who have purchased the game have probably not logged in over the past few months. Heck, it could also be 80% of the player base of any MMORPG rarely deals with or never deals with an AH in any given month.

The reality is you are just tossing out numbers without any basis for how you came up with those numbers making it pretty meaningless. Hence your reason that Zos needs to change needs to change and adapt is really you not wanting to change and adapt. Nothing more and nothing less.

This is going against other games with intuitive market systems. WoW's global Auction House is really a nobrainer of an auction system, as dumbed down as you can get. I.

Intuitive does not mean easy or dumbed down. One could say it is intuitive that trading be done on a social nature since that is how it has been done historically (before the internet).

Further, ESO is it's own game and should not even try to be like other games. Heck, I do not play WoW because I do not want to play a dumbed down game. Besides, ESO is not the first game to have a decentralized trading system. Just some games go with easy dumbed down things. Glad ESO does not.

You are arguing with me as though as though if you win the argument Zos will bend to your will or you just want to argue on the subject. Either way, I was merely pointed out Zos' position on the subject and really do not care that people have different opinions on any subject. The only reason I replied to you in the first place is you replied to me with baseless false information.

I'm not saying that at all. I'm saying unless the system was simplified as to not require usage of memberships to trade guilds you'd might get people to take the multiplayer aspect of the game more seriously.

Right now it seems the only guilds anyone joins aren't ones they want to be in at all. They're trade guilds for necessity.

I don't care if they charge me an extra fee to use somebody elses trader I don't want to join your useless trade guild that serves no function at all apart from the usage of a trader. That's not a guild I want to be in. Why should I be forced to join a guild just to access the trade function of the game? Why isn't there an unaffiliated trader that anyone can use?

You have to be in 5 trading guilds to be able to trade in this game? I have done just fine and have never been in more than one trading guild at a time.

I am in 2 raiding guilds and a social guild as well. One of the guilds will get a cheap trader if they can get it for the bare minimum big but that is clearly not an attempt at being a trading guild.

Your argument does not reflect how things actually work in game and seems more like grasping at straws to try to make an argument.

As I said earlier I really do not care. I merely pointed out Zos stated reasons why they chose this over an AH and that still holds true today. I doubt they have any interest in changing it so I suggest you either figure out how to use it or maybe go to WoW or GW since you seem to prefer their trading systems.

Dusk_Coven · November 2019

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

No. ESO's system makes trading and visiting places all over the Tamriel worthwhile.

They need to first make browsing a guild kiosk worthwhile. Right now, even with TTC to search guild stores, by the time you get there the item is usually gone. You need to watch TTC frequently and get there within 30 minutes of the listing being posted to have a reasonable CHANCE of getting something.
Without TTC you're mostly just wasting your time in a lottery worse than crown crates hoping to find something other than overpriced jewelry writs and Alkahest.

So no, it doesn't make visiting places worthwhile.

Royaji · November 2019

zer0_sum wrote: »

idk wrote: »

zer0_sum wrote: »

idk wrote: »

zer0_sum wrote: »

idk wrote: »

Pretty much an AH is not going to happen in this game in any form as the devs stated the reasons they purposely chose this the guild based trading over an central AH and some of those reason directly concerned the AH itself.

I understand and respect those who prefer a different system for various aspects of the game. However, there are some things the devs should hold true to their vision if it is working fine for the game and this trading system seems to do that just fine though only Zos can see the actual numbers of the millions of gold traded each day vis guild traders.

I'm willing to bet anything that 80% or more people ignore trading entirely in this game. If a system isn't being used by the majority of players in the game, your "vision" needs to change and adapt.

You are probably right as 80% of those who have purchased the game have probably not logged in over the past few months. Heck, it could also be 80% of the player base of any MMORPG rarely deals with or never deals with an AH in any given month.

The reality is you are just tossing out numbers without any basis for how you came up with those numbers making it pretty meaningless. Hence your reason that Zos needs to change needs to change and adapt is really you not wanting to change and adapt. Nothing more and nothing less.

This is going against other games with intuitive market systems. WoW's global Auction House is really a nobrainer of an auction system, as dumbed down as you can get. I.

Intuitive does not mean easy or dumbed down. One could say it is intuitive that trading be done on a social nature since that is how it has been done historically (before the internet).

Further, ESO is it's own game and should not even try to be like other games. Heck, I do not play WoW because I do not want to play a dumbed down game. Besides, ESO is not the first game to have a decentralized trading system. Just some games go with easy dumbed down things. Glad ESO does not.

You are arguing with me as though as though if you win the argument Zos will bend to your will or you just want to argue on the subject. Either way, I was merely pointed out Zos' position on the subject and really do not care that people have different opinions on any subject. The only reason I replied to you in the first place is you replied to me with baseless false information.

I'm not saying that at all. I'm saying unless the system was simplified as to not require usage of memberships to trade guilds you'd might get people to take the multiplayer aspect of the game more seriously.

Right now it seems the only guilds anyone joins aren't ones they want to be in at all. They're trade guilds for necessity.

I don't care if they charge me an extra fee to use somebody elses trader I don't want to join your useless trade guild that serves no function at all apart from the usage of a trader. That's not a guild I want to be in. Why should I be forced to join a guild just to access the trade function of the game? Why isn't there an unaffiliated trader that anyone can use?

You know that you can be a member of up to 5 guilds, right?

And here is a no-fuss guide to trading.

As a buyer: 1. Go to any of the faction capitals (Mournhold, Stormhave, Elden Root) or Craglorn. 2. Buy what you need. 3. Profit.

You won't get the best price every time but this is the price of our no-fuss approach. And unless you are looking for an item that nobody sells (yes, really, no one is selling that way of the air two-hander because it is absolutely worthless) you will rarely leave without a deal.

As a seller: 1. Accumulate a bit of stuff you want to sell. 10 or so items should be enough. 2. Join a trading guild. 3. Put your stuff on sale. We are no fuss, right? So just check the price of items you want to sell in your guild and undercut by 10-20% 4. Sell your items withing a week or so. (everything that didn't sell belongs to those worthless items mentioned before, just decon them). 5. Leave the guild. 6. Profit. 6a. Repeat once you've accumulated some items again.

It's that simple.

redgreensunset · November 2019

zer0_sum wrote: »

idk wrote: »

Pretty much an AH is not going to happen in this game in any form as the devs stated the reasons they purposely chose this the guild based trading over an central AH and some of those reason directly concerned the AH itself.

I understand and respect those who prefer a different system for various aspects of the game. However, there are some things the devs should hold true to their vision if it is working fine for the game and this trading system seems to do that just fine though only Zos can see the actual numbers of the millions of gold traded each day vis guild traders.

I'm willing to bet anything that 80% or more people ignore trading entirely in this game. If a system isn't being used by the majority of players in the game, your "vision" needs to change and adapt.

Proof? Or basically anything other than your own subjective observation which is nothing but anecdotal evidence at best.

redgreensunset · November 2019

As for an AH? Listen, the servers can barely handle the players that are on it on PC/EU, an AH would kill it completely and would likely kill the other servers too with the added strain. or that reason alone this is getting a no from me. But even without it'd still be a no. I enjoy that ESO is doing something different than an AH which was always a terrible idea to begin with apart from making zero sense in a fantasy setting.

jircris11 · November 2019

I still say have a trade house in each city that let's anyone sell items but you can only get them in THAT city. So not global, it's like current trade guild npcs without the trade guild drama.

Grimm13 · November 2019

idk wrote: »

Pretty much an AH is not going to happen in this game in any form as the devs stated the reasons they purposely chose this the guild based trading over an central AH and some of those reason directly concerned the AH itself.

I understand and respect those who prefer a different system for various aspects of the game. However, there are some things the devs should hold true to their vision if it is working fine for the game and this trading system seems to do that just fine though only Zos can see the actual numbers of the millions of gold traded each day vis guild traders.

At the time that this statement was made you could only sell and BUY from the guilds you belonged to. This was part of the reasoning on why have 5 guilds. Players rejected it, GAH was first proposed by players at that time and ZOS changed their original intent to adding in the Trader System as we know it. Even the intent of the bidding system has evolved.

They evolved their intent on these aspects, there is nothing to say that they can not evolve further. Now that there is context you can see it is a set in stone system that will never be changeable.