Pet Sorc vs non Pet Sorc

joseayalac · May 2019

Are pet sorcs still doing more dps than non pet variants in this patch? (PVE)

I've been away from the game for a while and want to know which variant is doing more damage after the chapter changes.

For reference I will be using Alcast's build guides.

Deloth_Vyrr · May 2019

Running at least 1 pet (Twilight) is basically required to do competitive dps as magsorc right now.
Going full petsorc (2 pet) is also in a very strong place.
0 pet isn't worth even talking about, it's leagues behind the other two.

Olupajmibanan · November 2019

FrancisCrawford wrote: »

siddique wrote: »

Petsorcs are in a good place right now. My matriarch is super strong.

To be clear, that's even after the Daedric Prey nerf? (Nominal 15% reduction to pet damage that's really more like 10%.)

Don't get fooled by numbers. Nerf to Daedric Prey only brought petsorc in line with other magclasses. It's bcause DPS of petsorc before Daedric Prey nerf was significantly higher than of rest of magclasses.

One thing to mention. Do not use Matriarch. Tormentor does significantly more damage with basic attacks than Matriarch even without using the Tormentor's special ability. I think that the guy was refering to Tormentor but called it Matriarch just out of habit (I do it frequently too).

Another thing to mention, I talk only from Duo-inferno petsorc perspective. Lightning staff heavy attack petsorc is a long forgotten retro. That's why I don't understand the petsorc vs non-petsorc debate. Duo inferno petsorc has the exact same playstyle as non-petsorc, you just slot pets to do passive dps for you and switch Haunting Curse to Daedric Prey to amplify that passive dmg.

siddique · May 2019

Petsorcs are in a good place right now. My matriarch is super strong.

FrancisCrawford · May 2019

siddique wrote: »

Petsorcs are in a good place right now. My matriarch is super strong.

To be clear, that's even after the Daedric Prey nerf? (Nominal 15% reduction to pet damage that's really more like 10%.)

Bobby_V_Rockit · November 2019

How about now?

Frozen_Heart246 · November 2019

Dont know about pet sorc dps but on my non pet one i can pull 50k dps on 3 million dummy. People say that pet sorc doing more damage tho.
P.S alcast builds sucks tbh.

Cirantille · November 2019

Bobby_V_Rockit wrote: »

How about now?

I use pet-sorc with 2 pets in pve
And with matriarch in pvp

It is great because basically they are back.
In PvE your 2 pets + light attacks make up roughly 50% of your dps.
Without spending magicka!

In PvP I am loving matriarch because it has the best burst heal in the game right now. (15 k)
Bigger survivability, instead of stacking shields I use this rn with 1 shield
You can switch to tormentor for PvE (for more damage) however I will not trade my healbot to anything

kind_hero · November 2019

Frozen_Heart246 wrote: »

alcast guides sucks tbh.

If so, can you share your build/rotation/cp config pvp/pve? Maybe some dmg parses to see if your variant is better than his

relentlessyouthofficialneb18_ESO · November 2019

Petsorc is defo stronger than non-pet atm.

Alcasts build is fine. It doesn't work in all situations but in an optimized trial group it works well.

The problem with sorc in general this patch is sustain. If you can't get false god then I suggest you just switch to a different class tbh.
I main a sorc btw. To be fair I've not tried non-pet but I see no point. Tormentor alone without even activating it does around 7k dps on a trial dummy. I get parses well above 80k. Rotation is very boring tho. I kinda miss the DoT meta

Aznarb · November 2019

siddique wrote: »

Petsorcs are in a good place right now. My matriarch is super strong.

Form my PoV it's more like "everything got nerf so hard that now matri look good"
Is it good or not ? Dunno, but that how I see it.

I've start to play a Sorc heal and they are now very good, the surge aoe heal is kinda strong same for the matri.
You can bring it to any vTrial content w/o fear being limited now, feel great.

relentlessyouthofficialneb18_ESO · November 2019

Aznarb wrote: »

siddique wrote: »

Petsorcs are in a good place right now. My matriarch is super strong.

Form my PoV it's more like "everything got nerf so hard that now matri look good"
Is it good or not ? Dunno, but that how I see it.

The nerfs were pretty harsh but it's not THAT bad. Most stam classes and still reach numbers above 90k on a trial dummy and all mag ones can go well above 80k. It's more than enough for all kinds of content. The people that did get hit the hardest are the progression groups tho. A big setback for those.

Bobby_V_Rockit · November 2019

Frozen_Heart246 wrote: »

Dont know about pet sorc dps but on my non pet one i can pull 50k dps on 3 million dummy. People say that pet sorc doing more damage tho.
P.S alcast builds sucks tbh.

What do you use?

Xarc · November 2019

petsorc is easier to play, it's the beginer mode.

relentlessyouthofficialneb18_ESO · November 2019

Xarcus wrote: »

petsorc is easier to play, it's the beginer mode.

That's just false. Petsorc is easy to play on a low level of games content yes. But getting to the endgame requires just as much work as other classes.

Cirantille · November 2019

relentlessyouthofficialneb18_ESO wrote: »

Xarcus wrote: »

petsorc is easier to play, it's the beginer mode.

That's just false. Petsorc is easy to play on a low level of games content yes. But getting to the endgame requires just as much work as other classes.

I personally love how logical(!) this argument is, people keep saying pet sorc is easy mode.

I have never seen any person from a class sitting in his/her chair and thinking, "Hmm this cloak thingy is too easy let me get something harder for meself and get ganked"
"Hmm this dragon wings are too op, nah I will not use it"

You press 5 buttons on a keyboard and think that you are something, get over it, amirite

mocap · November 2019

petsorc in dungeons, 1 pet or non pet in trials

Kaerithia · November 2019

I play main sorc and I must say...I feel more comfortable without pets. In trials it's a pain in the butt to recast 2 pets without doing dmg or casting shield or whatever. The time you take to recast your pets is, in my opinion, wasted time. Sure you can grab the "free" damage but waste 2 slots (with one pet) or 4 slots (with 2 pets).

I really miss the DoT meta...it was fun to play with good sustain and good damage. Now it's again those lazy pet stuff. But as I say I don't use the pets and still do good amaount of damage. In trials round about 40k-50k. And no I don't bash the puppet because everyone can smash the puppet and boast about their damage...it's stupid...

Vahrokh · November 2019

Olupajmibanan wrote: »

FrancisCrawford wrote: »

siddique wrote: »

Petsorcs are in a good place right now. My matriarch is super strong.

To be clear, that's even after the Daedric Prey nerf? (Nominal 15% reduction to pet damage that's really more like 10%.)

Another thing to mention, I talk only from Duo-inferno petsorc perspective. Lightning staff heavy attack petsorc is a long forgotten retro. That's why I don't understand the petsorc vs non-petsorc debate. Duo inferno petsorc has the exact same playstyle as non-petsorc, you just slot pets to do passive dps for you and switch Haunting Curse to Daedric Prey to amplify that passive dmg.

Problem is, many people wanted to play ligthning damage magsorc and they are getting boned since half a year.
I hate fire spec with a passion, I hate it's abysmal sustain, I HATE having to respec into it just to use it in trials for 2h a week.

If they create a major portion of the class catering to lightning damage they should also make it viable.

gatekeeper13 · November 2019

Pet sorcerer not only gives more dps but is also SUPER FUN to play!

Although the optimal setup (in my opinion) is Matriarch for healing (in case you need) and Familiar for dps, I use the Tormentor for dps and Clanfear for healing only because I love watching that little dinosaur.

Frozen_Heart246 · November 2019

kind_hero wrote: »

Frozen_Heart246 wrote: »

alcast guides sucks tbh.

If so, can you share your build/rotation/cp config pvp/pve? Maybe some dmg parses to see if your variant is better than his

This parse was made right after dragonhold dlc released. Here is not much dps, had to make 2 heavy attack because altmer sustain sucks and btw my CP was fully PvP focused. Cant login now to make another parse because zos broke servers again. And yea for the parses i am using sirroria but in real fights always switching to BSW. About rotation - there is no rotation.. just keep up all of your dots and spam ele weapons.

Varana · November 2019

Olupajmibanan wrote: »

Duo inferno petsorc has the exact same playstyle as non-petsorc, you just slot pets to do passive dps for you and switch Haunting Curse to Daedric Prey to amplify that passive dmg.

There is one huge drawback of a petsorc:

They have pets.
I hate those flappity-flap things flapping around me, or that ugly weird scamp with the ugly weird noises patting around the scenery.

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The difference between pet and non-pet sorc is there but not that big, so I'll be staying with non-pet.

DarkShadowFax · November 2019

Personally found that 2pet hit harder than 1pet which hit harder than nonpet, though the dps difference isn't that big and they're all capable of hitting 80k on a trial dummy. This is assuming you're using ele wep as your spammable, as no amount of tweaking with my old HA rota has helped me push anywhere close to 80k (rip lightning frontbar).
Personally I've been swapping back and forth between 2pet and 1pet depending on the trial and it's worked out pretty okay for me so far.

Knightpanther · November 2019

The passives with having a pet slotted and active are just too good to pass up.

So yes pet all the way - casual PVE,PVP

Be safe

Siohwenoeht · November 2019

I'm still happy with my no pet sorc, but I'll slot flaps for vMA.

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