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How much magic do you get back on a heavy attack for magic characters?
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BNOC✭✭✭✭✭Shock ~3600
Fire/Ice ~2800
Should be, that's ancient though so not sure if it changed, can't remember.Edited by BNOC on November 8, 2019 4:53PMvMSA - Magplar - Xbox EU - 15/11/16
578,000 - 36 Minutes 58 Seconds (Top 2 World?)
vMSA - Magplar - Xbox NA
569,000 - 40 minutes (350CP, Non optimised runs)1 -
GreenhaloX✭✭✭✭✭
✭Not too sure. Don't have an app to show the numbers, but I can practically regen my bar to max mag (40K+) with about 3-4 heavy attacks when halfway depleted. Well, that's in addition to 14.80% on Arcanist.1 -
Siohwenoeht✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Shock ~3600
Fire/Ice ~2800
Should be, that's ancient though so not sure if it changed, can't remember.
Shock and resto should be higher than fire and frost:
My mag sorc:
Fire /frost- 3105
Shock- 3996
Resto- 3540
@Somber97866 if you put your exact build into uesp build editor it will give you the values as well.Edited by Siohwenoeht on November 8, 2019 6:59PM"It is a lovely language, but it takes a very long time saying anything in it, because we do not say anything in it, unless it is worth taking a long time to say, and to listen to." - Treebeard1 -
THEDKEXPERIENCE✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭GreenhaloX wrote: »Not too sure. Don't have an app to show the numbers, but I can practically regen my bar to max mag (40K+) with about 3-4 heavy attacks when halfway depleted. Well, that's in addition to 14.80% on Arcanist.
I have 50k magic with the full 15% into the heavy attack resource return. It’s on console so it’s hard to say but if I’m essentially empty it takes 2 full heavy attacks to right the ship. I think I’m about 4K returned with each one.
The trick is to heavy attack when you are half way, not out.2 -
Jeremy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭This bugs sometimes, also.
One time I was doing a dungeon and my heavy attacks with restoration staff were returning so little magicka I could barely even notice. It was useless as a tool to recover magicka. I thought it got heavily nerfed or something and was planning to make a thread about it. Then later when I played again it started to give me magicka back again.
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FrancisCrawford✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Siohwenoeht wrote: »Shock ~3600
Fire/Ice ~2800
Should be, that's ancient though so not sure if it changed, can't remember.
Shock and resto should be higher than fire and frost:
My mag sorc:
Fire /frost- 3105
Shock- 3996
Resto- 3540
@Somber97866 if you put your exact build into uesp build editor it will give you the values as well.
Awesome!
While we're at it:- Are these figures bumped by Off-Balance? If so, how much?
- What is the duration of the attacks?
And all the same questions for stamina, which I hope will not derail this thread too much.Edited by FrancisCrawford on November 8, 2019 10:19PM0 -
Iskiab✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭I always wondered how to calculate the magicka return. In my build it’s about 1k per second, besides CPs is there a way to increase it?Looking for any guildies I used to play with:
Havoc Warhammer - Alair
LoC EQ2 - Mayi and Iskiab
PRX and Tabula Rasa - Rift - Iskiab
Or anyone else I used to play games with in guilds I’ve forgotten0 -
Siohwenoeht✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭FrancisCrawford wrote: »Siohwenoeht wrote: »Shock ~3600
Fire/Ice ~2800
Should be, that's ancient though so not sure if it changed, can't remember.
Shock and resto should be higher than fire and frost:
My mag sorc:
Fire /frost- 3105
Shock- 3996
Resto- 3540
@Somber97866 if you put your exact build into uesp build editor it will give you the values as well.
Awesome!
While we're at it:- Are these figures bumped by Off-Balance? If so, how much?
- What is the duration of the attacks?
And all the same questions for stamina, which I hope will not derail this thread too much.
The values for my magsorc only had 10% boost from CP in the calculation. What I like about uesp build editor is that you can select the HA return and see exactly what goes into the calculation.
Afaik, heavies against off balance enemies still returns 100% more of your regen value, so since my sorc tends to have high uptime on off balance, my return would be ~7800 on lightning staff.
I haven't had to use heavies for my Stam characters yet, but my only fully fleshed out build is a Stam sorc, so dark deal is my primary Stam Regen skill.
Edit: forgot about duration, heavy animations are 2.2 seconds with no ani-cancelling. On my magsorc build I always start a heavy and que an instant skill behind it. Damage tooltip for my lightning heavies is ~11000 if it goes the whole duration.Edited by Siohwenoeht on November 8, 2019 10:45PM"It is a lovely language, but it takes a very long time saying anything in it, because we do not say anything in it, unless it is worth taking a long time to say, and to listen to." - Treebeard0 -
FrancisCrawford✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Siohwenoeht wrote: »
Damage tooltip for my lightning heavies is ~11000 if it goes the whole duration.
What do you mean in this context by "tooltip"? Is your figure for actual damage done, or is it more a theoretical number before crit bonuses?0 -
OG_Kaveman✭✭✭✭✭Here is the base restore for each weapon, before percentage amps to the return..Bow HA Stamina Restore --2724
Dual Wield HA Stamina Restore---1667
2H HA Stamina Restore---2426
1H+Shield HA Stamina Restore---2014
Fire/Frost HA Magicka Restore--2823
Shock HA Magicka Restore---3633
Restoration HA Magicka Restore--3219
Werewolf HA Stamina Restore--1617Edited by OG_Kaveman on November 8, 2019 11:21PM2 -
Siohwenoeht✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭FrancisCrawford wrote: »Siohwenoeht wrote: »
Damage tooltip for my lightning heavies is ~11000 if it goes the whole duration.
What do you mean in this context by "tooltip"? Is your figure for actual damage done, or is it more a theoretical number before crit bonuses?
In this case it is buffed (sets, passives, etc.), not including crit modifier.Edited by Siohwenoeht on November 8, 2019 11:33PM"It is a lovely language, but it takes a very long time saying anything in it, because we do not say anything in it, unless it is worth taking a long time to say, and to listen to." - Treebeard0 -
FrancisCrawford✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Siohwenoeht wrote: »FrancisCrawford wrote: »Siohwenoeht wrote: »
Damage tooltip for my lightning heavies is ~11000 if it goes the whole duration.
What do you mean in this context by "tooltip"? Is your figure for actual damage done, or is it more a theoretical number before crit bonuses?
In this case it is buffed (sets, passives, etc.), not including crit modifier.
In that case, not bad! Are there any sets or whatever focused just on heavy or basic attacks? And what, by way of comparison, are your tooltips on one or the other lightning AoE DoT skills?Edited by FrancisCrawford on November 8, 2019 11:38PM0 -
Siohwenoeht✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭FrancisCrawford wrote: »Siohwenoeht wrote: »FrancisCrawford wrote: »Siohwenoeht wrote: »
Damage tooltip for my lightning heavies is ~11000 if it goes the whole duration.
What do you mean in this context by "tooltip"? Is your figure for actual damage done, or is it more a theoretical number before crit bonuses?
In this case it is buffed (sets, passives, etc.), not including crit modifier.
In that case, not bad! Are there any sets or whatever focused just on heavy or basic attacks? And what, by way of comparison, are your tooltips on one or the other lightning AoE DoT skills?
As far as sets, I'm not using any that modify the lightning heavy on this build but for instance sets that add damage to channelled abilities also affect lightning and resto heavies since they are channels.
Other tooltips on this build:
Haunting curse initial: 8034 on target, 3989 area
Second: 8034 on target, 3699 area
Degeneration: 11420 for duration
Overload light: 9569 + 5789 when weaved with
elemental weapon.
Overload heavy: 9105.
Blockade: 1175, I use this after enemies are
concussed with elemental weapon to
set off balance.
Boundless is not for damage but resits.
These are all updated for dragon hold and not with crit values."It is a lovely language, but it takes a very long time saying anything in it, because we do not say anything in it, unless it is worth taking a long time to say, and to listen to." - Treebeard0 -
starkerealm✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I always wondered how to calculate the magicka return. In my build it’s about 1k per second, besides CPs is there a way to increase it?
You mean base recovery? It's a single tick every other second. Blocking will delay (but not cancel) the stam tick until you release.
There's a ton of ways to increase it. Set bonuses, jewelry enchants and passives are the most common methods.1 -
FrancisCrawford✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Siohwenoeht wrote: »FrancisCrawford wrote: »Siohwenoeht wrote: »FrancisCrawford wrote: »Siohwenoeht wrote: »
Damage tooltip for my lightning heavies is ~11000 if it goes the whole duration.
What do you mean in this context by "tooltip"? Is your figure for actual damage done, or is it more a theoretical number before crit bonuses?
In this case it is buffed (sets, passives, etc.), not including crit modifier.
In that case, not bad! Are there any sets or whatever focused just on heavy or basic attacks? And what, by way of comparison, are your tooltips on one or the other lightning AoE DoT skills?
As far as sets, I'm not using any that modify the lightning heavy on this build but for instance sets that add damage to channelled abilities also affect lightning and resto heavies since they are channels.
Other tooltips on this build:
Haunting curse initial: 8034 on target, 3989 area
Second: 8034 on target, 3699 area
Degeneration: 11420 for duration
Overload light: 9569 + 5789 when weaved with
elemental weapon.
Overload heavy: 9105.
Blockade: 1175, I use this after enemies are
concussed with elemental weapon to
set off balance.
Boundless is not for damage but resits.
These are all updated for dragon hold and not with crit values.
So full duration of lightning heavy attack damage is like 9 1/2 ticks of Blockade damage? That suggests heavy attack damage would be a lot like the damage from two casts of Impulse.
Yeah, the Impulse casts let you weave light attacks, but still, this is a good indication of why nobody uses Impulse (either morph) except in casual situations. 0 -
Indoril_Nerevar✭✭✭A restoration staff is best for recovery on a heavy attack for Magicka. Equipping Heavy Armor will increase your amount recieved, too.
If you seek out the right classes, champion points and gear sets or Vampire/Werewolf and Mundus Stones, Traits and Enchantments - as of right now, I currently replenish from Heavy Attacks:
11k Magicka (Pots: 17k)
9k Stamina (Pots: 15k)
I believe these numbers can get higher, too.
In all my time playing ESO, I have never used Champion Points to increase my Magicka or Stamina recovery ratings. I have only used Tenacity.
I have always used Heavy Attacks combined with a potion, rarely, as I find the extra available Champion Points can be spent in better areas.Edited by Indoril_Nerevar on November 9, 2019 2:32PM0
