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worse than scalebreaker
ThePhantomThorn
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Honestly, this patch is so bad...
lets begin.
the tank meta is back. but this time, the healing is HIGHER??
damage has dropped significantly. the dots were to strong in scale. but now theyre pointless. i have a 7k tooltip on poison injection. in elsweyr it was 9k. oh and the multiplier has gone down as well. my dots are completely unnoticed and pointless. and that combined with the tankyness and the healing means noone ever dies.
but zos was so preoccupied making mount stamina go down smoothly they didnt have a chance to address this.
lets begin.
the tank meta is back. but this time, the healing is HIGHER??
damage has dropped significantly. the dots were to strong in scale. but now theyre pointless. i have a 7k tooltip on poison injection. in elsweyr it was 9k. oh and the multiplier has gone down as well. my dots are completely unnoticed and pointless. and that combined with the tankyness and the healing means noone ever dies.
but zos was so preoccupied making mount stamina go down smoothly they didnt have a chance to address this.
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KurtAngle2✭✭✭✭ThePhantomThorn wrote: »Honestly, this patch is so bad...
lets begin.
the tank meta is back. but this time, the healing is HIGHER??
damage has dropped significantly. the dots were to strong in scale. but now theyre pointless. i have a 7k tooltip on poison injection. in elsweyr it was 9k. oh and the multiplier has gone down as well. my dots are completely unnoticed and pointless. and that combined with the tankyness and the healing means noone ever dies.
but zos was so preoccupied making mount stamina go down smoothly they didnt have a chance to address this.
CP PVP I assume, I've heard there's a bad PVP Time there1 -
ThePhantomThorn✭✭✭✭KurtAngle2 wrote: »ThePhantomThorn wrote: »Honestly, this patch is so bad...
lets begin.
the tank meta is back. but this time, the healing is HIGHER??
damage has dropped significantly. the dots were to strong in scale. but now theyre pointless. i have a 7k tooltip on poison injection. in elsweyr it was 9k. oh and the multiplier has gone down as well. my dots are completely unnoticed and pointless. and that combined with the tankyness and the healing means noone ever dies.
but zos was so preoccupied making mount stamina go down smoothly they didnt have a chance to address this.
CP PVP I assume, I've heard there's a bad PVP Time there
on xbox no cp is completely dead.3 -
Dr_Ganknstein✭✭✭✭✭
✭Kinda had an opposite problem last night. I would kill someone before my xbox realized it so would stand there trying to pull off another combo when they would already be dead. So I was exposed a little longer then I wanted to be.0 -
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✭✭✭✭Hello, just checking in. I'm curious, how long has the tank meta been a thing? 2015? I'm just curious that's all.0 -
GrimTheReaper45✭✭✭✭✭Honestly i dont even know anymore. In terms of bad patches for me it goes nerfmire > nerfowind> everything in the last like year and a half
Is it to early for eso classic to be a thing?2 -
Luckylancer✭✭✭✭✭Poison injection's execution damage did not go down. It is even increased between 50% to 1% HP!0 -
ThePhantomThorn✭✭✭✭Luckylancer wrote: »Poison injection's execution damage did not go down. It is even increased between 50% to 1% HP!
uesd to be at up to 260% now at 100%1 -
Dr_Ganknstein✭✭✭✭✭
✭ThePhantomThorn wrote: »Luckylancer wrote: »Poison injection's execution damage did not go down. It is even increased between 50% to 1% HP!
uesd to be at up to 260% now at 100%
I'm liking the execute applying to the direct damage portion as well now.0 -
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✭✭ThePhantomThorn wrote: »Luckylancer wrote: »Poison injection's execution damage did not go down. It is even increased between 50% to 1% HP!
uesd to be at up to 260% now at 100%
I'm liking the execute applying to the direct damage portion as well now.
Whats there to like, its about same damage as regular spammable at max execute.0 -
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✭✭Hello, just checking in. I'm curious, how long has the tank meta been a thing? 2015? I'm just curious that's all.
It was magnified with the CP system, that's for sure... If you look at the CP "skills" like unchained and vengence, and how much free sustain you get from heavy attack cp star, block reduction, and roll reduction, it does not take much to see why.0 -
ketsparrowhawk✭✭✭✭✭Very interesting how every single patch seems to usher in a tank META. Damage goes up? OH NO WATCH OUT FOR THE TANK META! Damage goes down? OH NO WATCH OUT FOR THE TANK META. Dots are buffed.. dots are nerfed.. healing buffed / nerfed.. doesn't matter what it is. Everyone always predicts a tanky META. Every patch.
I'm not able to find it now but someone posted a poll recently regarding peoples' preference for medium vs heavy in pvp.. and medium won the poll by a healthy margin.
It is not a tanky meta. Damage is down and healing is up.. people are trying to stack damage more than ever. They may have good survivability but they are not "tanks".
Btw the way you kill tanky players is by out-sustaining them. Invest just a little bit into mobility and you'll wear them out within 15 seconds because they won't be able to land any heavy attack, and they'll waste quite a bit of stam trying to keep up with you. I killed plenty of "tanks" this weekend using a build with a meager 3700 wep damage. In CP cyro.
Personally I think combat feels great. If a fight goes on too long I just bounce and go find someone else to fight. Plenty of people who do die.1 -
Dr_Ganknstein✭✭✭✭✭
✭ThePhantomThorn wrote: »Luckylancer wrote: »Poison injection's execution damage did not go down. It is even increased between 50% to 1% HP!
uesd to be at up to 260% now at 100%
I'm liking the execute applying to the direct damage portion as well now.
Whats there to like, its about same damage as regular spammable at max execute.
Because now the dd is increased by 100% when they are under 50%. Thank you for taking Johnny Cab /rolls eyesEdited by Dr_Ganknstein on November 7, 2019 10:37PM0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭ThePhantomThorn wrote: »Luckylancer wrote: »Poison injection's execution damage did not go down. It is even increased between 50% to 1% HP!
uesd to be at up to 260% now at 100%
I'm liking the execute applying to the direct damage portion as well now.
Whats there to like, its about same damage as regular spammable at max execute.
Because now the dd is increased by 100% when they are under 50%. Thank you for taking Johnny Cab /rolls eyes
Johnny Cab...
I'd freaking drop kick that thing!
No gosh darn robot gives me Lip!!
"How'd I get here?"
"You opened the door and got in of course... Pssh"
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"That's #$&+ing it!!!!!!"
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BaiterOfZergs✭✭✭✭✭ketsparrowhawk wrote: »Very interesting how every single patch seems to usher in a tank META. Damage goes up? OH NO WATCH OUT FOR THE TANK META! Damage goes down? OH NO WATCH OUT FOR THE TANK META. Dots are buffed.. dots are nerfed.. healing buffed / nerfed.. doesn't matter what it is. Everyone always predicts a tanky META. Every patch.
I'm not able to find it now but someone posted a poll recently regarding peoples' preference for medium vs heavy in pvp.. and medium won the poll by a healthy margin.
It is not a tanky meta. Damage is down and healing is up.. people are trying to stack damage more than ever. They may have good survivability but they are not "tanks".
Btw the way you kill tanky players is by out-sustaining them. Invest just a little bit into mobility and you'll wear them out within 15 seconds because they won't be able to land any heavy attack, and they'll waste quite a bit of stam trying to keep up with you. I killed plenty of "tanks" this weekend using a build with a meager 3700 wep damage. In CP cyro.
Personally I think combat feels great. If a fight goes on too long I just bounce and go find someone else to fight. Plenty of people who do die.
You can build tanky in medium, ive had 31-32 resistance on my back bar for my stamplar. It had access to major and minor protection. On that same build I had 4K plus weapon damage, over 18k pen and about 1800 regen without including rune. And I don’t think you know what people mean by tank meta also, they aren’t talking about actual tanks.
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ThePhantomThorn✭✭✭✭BaiterOfZergs wrote: »ketsparrowhawk wrote: »Very interesting how every single patch seems to usher in a tank META. Damage goes up? OH NO WATCH OUT FOR THE TANK META! Damage goes down? OH NO WATCH OUT FOR THE TANK META. Dots are buffed.. dots are nerfed.. healing buffed / nerfed.. doesn't matter what it is. Everyone always predicts a tanky META. Every patch.
I'm not able to find it now but someone posted a poll recently regarding peoples' preference for medium vs heavy in pvp.. and medium won the poll by a healthy margin.
It is not a tanky meta. Damage is down and healing is up.. people are trying to stack damage more than ever. They may have good survivability but they are not "tanks".
Btw the way you kill tanky players is by out-sustaining them. Invest just a little bit into mobility and you'll wear them out within 15 seconds because they won't be able to land any heavy attack, and they'll waste quite a bit of stam trying to keep up with you. I killed plenty of "tanks" this weekend using a build with a meager 3700 wep damage. In CP cyro.
Personally I think combat feels great. If a fight goes on too long I just bounce and go find someone else to fight. Plenty of people who do die.
You can build tanky in medium, ive had 31-32 resistance on my back bar for my stamplar. It had access to major and minor protection. On that same build I had 4K plus weapon damage, over 18k pen and about 1800 regen without including rune. And I don’t think you know what people mean by tank meta also, they aren’t talking about actual tanks.
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ketsparrowhawk✭✭✭✭✭BaiterOfZergs wrote: »ketsparrowhawk wrote: »Very interesting how every single patch seems to usher in a tank META. Damage goes up? OH NO WATCH OUT FOR THE TANK META! Damage goes down? OH NO WATCH OUT FOR THE TANK META. Dots are buffed.. dots are nerfed.. healing buffed / nerfed.. doesn't matter what it is. Everyone always predicts a tanky META. Every patch.
I'm not able to find it now but someone posted a poll recently regarding peoples' preference for medium vs heavy in pvp.. and medium won the poll by a healthy margin.
It is not a tanky meta. Damage is down and healing is up.. people are trying to stack damage more than ever. They may have good survivability but they are not "tanks".
Btw the way you kill tanky players is by out-sustaining them. Invest just a little bit into mobility and you'll wear them out within 15 seconds because they won't be able to land any heavy attack, and they'll waste quite a bit of stam trying to keep up with you. I killed plenty of "tanks" this weekend using a build with a meager 3700 wep damage. In CP cyro.
Personally I think combat feels great. If a fight goes on too long I just bounce and go find someone else to fight. Plenty of people who do die.
You can build tanky in medium, ive had 31-32 resistance on my back bar for my stamplar. It had access to major and minor protection. On that same build I had 4K plus weapon damage, over 18k pen and about 1800 regen without including rune. And I don’t think you know what people mean by tank meta also, they aren’t talking about actual tanks.
Of course you can be tanky in medium armor, but why bother when you could invest in more damage or sustain instead? Damage and sustain are much more effective tools than resistance this patch.
I know what they mean. Actual tanks are not relevant to most pvp discussions.0 -
ThePhantomThorn✭✭✭✭the issue is major and minor protection are very easily obtained, while major and minor berserk are quite rare. anyone can get major protec on demand with blackrose resto but major berserk? that only comes from reaping mark and storm atro synergy. (as far as i know)
so people can easily get the high mitigation but few can counter it
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chrightt✭✭✭✭ThePhantomThorn wrote: »the issue is major and minor protection are very easily obtained, while major and minor berserk are quite rare. anyone can get major protec on demand with blackrose resto but major berserk? that only comes from reaping mark and storm atro synergy. (as far as i know)
so people can easily get the high mitigation but few can counter it
Nah definitely not the issue. Major protection on demand doesn’t mean high up time. The problem is people tend to play CP mode and HoTs got buffed last patch but not nerfed this patch. Non-CP pvp is pretty glorious atm.
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✭✭✭✭✭ThePhantomThorn wrote: »the issue is major and minor protection are very easily obtained, while major and minor berserk are quite rare. anyone can get major protec on demand with blackrose resto but major berserk? that only comes from reaping mark and storm atro synergy. (as far as i know)
so people can easily get the high mitigation but few can counter it
Nah definitely not the issue. Major protection on demand doesn’t mean high up time. The problem is people tend to play CP mode and HoTs got buffed last patch but not nerfed this patch. Non-CP pvp is pretty glorious atm.
Agree. I have switched back to noCP and it is so much more fun! Yes there are 1v1s ending in a draw but even in those duels both sides at some points of the fight are reaching execute range, while finding someone who can literally face tank (stand still and laugh at people) more than 2 people is pretty iompossible. The best proof of noCP good health state is the fact that on PC EU with each day Bahlokdaan has more players.
noCP is much more balanced, though magicka toons are suffering there A BIT more due to greater stamina drain, but this is just a minor inconvenience.Say no to Toxic Casuals!
I am doing my best, but I am not a native speaker, sorry.
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milllaurie✭✭✭✭BaiterOfZergs wrote: »ketsparrowhawk wrote: »Very interesting how every single patch seems to usher in a tank META. Damage goes up? OH NO WATCH OUT FOR THE TANK META! Damage goes down? OH NO WATCH OUT FOR THE TANK META. Dots are buffed.. dots are nerfed.. healing buffed / nerfed.. doesn't matter what it is. Everyone always predicts a tanky META. Every patch.
I'm not able to find it now but someone posted a poll recently regarding peoples' preference for medium vs heavy in pvp.. and medium won the poll by a healthy margin.
It is not a tanky meta. Damage is down and healing is up.. people are trying to stack damage more than ever. They may have good survivability but they are not "tanks".
Btw the way you kill tanky players is by out-sustaining them. Invest just a little bit into mobility and you'll wear them out within 15 seconds because they won't be able to land any heavy attack, and they'll waste quite a bit of stam trying to keep up with you. I killed plenty of "tanks" this weekend using a build with a meager 3700 wep damage. In CP cyro.
Personally I think combat feels great. If a fight goes on too long I just bounce and go find someone else to fight. Plenty of people who do die.
You can build tanky in medium, ive had 31-32 resistance on my back bar for my stamplar. It had access to major and minor protection. On that same build I had 4K plus weapon damage, over 18k pen and about 1800 regen without including rune. And I don’t think you know what people mean by tank meta also, they aren’t talking about actual tanks.
I actually was rubning the exact same stats, I think wep dmg wen even higher than that. Spriggans-steadfast. But steadfast is crap now I switched to hundings-fury medium based. Since Weap damage helps your heals it makes up for major protection lost 😋0 -
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✭✭this patch i would Pen was more the thing to stack, 2.8-3k base damage is enough (with buffs in cyro and group you can clear 4k easy) aim for around 18-20k pen and you will take down most "tank" builds fairly easy, with the templar's spear now ignoring armour and resistances make the stam/magplars very strong for eg. but again this just my opinion0