I agree, mag dk is in a terrible spot and needs all the buffs. Not just the men-buffs, but the women-buffs and children-buffs too!!
One Battleground isn't a representation of how strong a class is. MagDks are decent in Bgs. I got almost the same score on my Stamblade when I was playing it first time in a Bg and I have about 15 days playtime on it. Furthermore you can see how onesided this Bg is.
1) "when you just started" = low mmr, this was a high mmr game. 2) green was a full 4 man premade 3) i have hundreds of such recaps. Literally. 4) I highly doubt a stam nb pulled 3 million damage in a game. Severe doubt.
Lack of ranged CC and execute is main issue here. Asking me to spam a rock or use bugged fierry grip is a joke. Fosilize has very small range. Good luck with keeping up with stam classes or with teleporting sorcs. Sure, MDK is still good if someone has played him for years, but I could do better on any other mag class.
In 1vX magDk isn't good even if you played it for years and it's not only the lack of a ranged CC or an execute.
Well it's hard to 1vx if you have issues to keep up with even one of them. Lack of gap closer combined with lack of range CC, short range combat abilities and bad sustain = boring gameplay. Either other players are dumb to fight me in close quarters or I can chase them forever (or untill they will bring a friends to party).
Well MagDks have Chains as gap closer. .
Lack of ranged CC and execute is main issue here. Asking me to spam a rock or use bugged fierry grip is a joke. Fosilize has very small range. Good luck with keeping up with stam classes or with teleporting sorcs. Sure, MDK is still good if someone has played him for years, but I could do better on any other mag class.
In 1vX magDk isn't good even if you played it for years and it's not only the lack of a ranged CC or an execute.
Well it's hard to 1vx if you have issues to keep up with even one of them. Lack of gap closer combined with lack of range CC, short range combat abilities and bad sustain = boring gameplay. Either other players are dumb to fight me in close quarters or I can chase them forever (or untill they will bring a friends to party).
Well MagDks have Chains as gap closer. .
I've stopped reading here.
Damn obviously YET ANOTHER DK centered thread despite magDK being really powerful in BG and just overall strong in small scale. Yes, mobility was always an issue but the amount of damage you pack is a lot higher than other classes in PVP. Couple this with it’s decent survivability and the strongest CC in game, you just need to L2P.
In open world 1vX, yes magDK isn’t as well off against more decent players but due to its burst potential combined with its survivability you can still pull off 1vXs relatively well especially if you use the terrain to your advantage. If sustain is an issue definitely your problem, not DK. As an Altmer magDK you pretty much have the best stam recovery as a mag char in the whole game due to passives. As for Magicka recovery if you’re stuck on 2 DPS set, non Breton with non mag recovery food and doesn’t run elemental drain or runs it but forgets to apply 9/10 times well then I guess you would suck no matter what you played anyway.
TL;DR a thread of another DK mega-bait thread where low tier DKs cry why one of the strongest specs is not OP in all situations.
Magdks are most definitely not weak, and I play magdk.
JumpmanLane wrote: »MagDk hits like a truck driven by a fat man hauling bricks. AND it’s TANKY af.
Sustain is what it is. MagDk has been nerfed so much you can’t really expect to sustain without working at it. I ran 688 magicka recovery first half of last patch; so... I just make it work.
Now Zenimax COULD toss out some buffs. I’ll take em. Though, MagDk is hitting HARD at the moment in duels, 1v1s in Cyro. Etc. People take a little damage and RUN...or get DROPPED.
P.S. there’s a certain set that does it (not crafty and NOT that new moon trash). But I’m afraid to say cause I’m terrified that ZOS will nerf it.
Idk, I see more mag DKs than ever all over cyro with their high health and healing from 10% to 100% every 5 seconds. Seems like they are doing fine to me.
JumpmanLane wrote: »MagDk hits like a truck driven by a fat man hauling bricks. AND it’s TANKY af.
Sustain is what it is. MagDk has been nerfed so much you can’t really expect to sustain without working at it. I ran 688 magicka recovery first half of last patch; so... I just make it work.
Now Zenimax COULD toss out some buffs. I’ll take em. Though, MagDk is hitting HARD at the moment in duels, 1v1s in Cyro. Etc. People take a little damage and RUN...or get DROPPED.
P.S. there’s a certain set that does it (not crafty and NOT that new moon trash). But I’m afraid to say cause I’m terrified that ZOS will nerf it.
Hit me up ingame or on Discord please because I run Desert Rose as breton with Bloodspawn and Drain and so on the usal stuff and sustain feels pretty bad this patch.
JumpmanLane wrote: »JumpmanLane wrote: »MagDk hits like a truck driven by a fat man hauling bricks. AND it’s TANKY af.
Sustain is what it is. MagDk has been nerfed so much you can’t really expect to sustain without working at it. I ran 688 magicka recovery first half of last patch; so... I just make it work.
Now Zenimax COULD toss out some buffs. I’ll take em. Though, MagDk is hitting HARD at the moment in duels, 1v1s in Cyro. Etc. People take a little damage and RUN...or get DROPPED.
P.S. there’s a certain set that does it (not crafty and NOT that new moon trash). But I’m afraid to say cause I’m terrified that ZOS will nerf it.
Hit me up ingame or on Discord please because I run Desert Rose as breton with Bloodspawn and Drain and so on the usal stuff and sustain feels pretty bad this patch.
Yup hit me up in game PcNA or on disc yo. I’m JumpmanLane on both. I got a BUILD for you! I’ll send you a pm here of the basics.
Cause I was gonna say, don’t be running Desert Rose Lich! Bloodspawn if you want.
P.S. crap. How do you send someone a pm on here lol.
JumpmanLane wrote: »JumpmanLane wrote: »MagDk hits like a truck driven by a fat man hauling bricks. AND it’s TANKY af.
Sustain is what it is. MagDk has been nerfed so much you can’t really expect to sustain without working at it. I ran 688 magicka recovery first half of last patch; so... I just make it work.
Now Zenimax COULD toss out some buffs. I’ll take em. Though, MagDk is hitting HARD at the moment in duels, 1v1s in Cyro. Etc. People take a little damage and RUN...or get DROPPED.
P.S. there’s a certain set that does it (not crafty and NOT that new moon trash). But I’m afraid to say cause I’m terrified that ZOS will nerf it.
Hit me up ingame or on Discord please because I run Desert Rose as breton with Bloodspawn and Drain and so on the usal stuff and sustain feels pretty bad this patch.
Yup hit me up in game PcNA or on disc yo. I’m JumpmanLane on both. I got a BUILD for you! I’ll send you a pm here of the basics.
Cause I was gonna say, don’t be running Desert Rose Lich! Bloodspawn if you want.
P.S. crap. How do you send someone a pm on here lol.
I do not run lich since it makes no difference if i run lich or a damage set. I'll message u on discord since I'm on eu
JumpmanLane wrote: »JumpmanLane wrote: »JumpmanLane wrote: »MagDk hits like a truck driven by a fat man hauling bricks. AND it’s TANKY af.
Sustain is what it is. MagDk has been nerfed so much you can’t really expect to sustain without working at it. I ran 688 magicka recovery first half of last patch; so... I just make it work.
Now Zenimax COULD toss out some buffs. I’ll take em. Though, MagDk is hitting HARD at the moment in duels, 1v1s in Cyro. Etc. People take a little damage and RUN...or get DROPPED.
P.S. there’s a certain set that does it (not crafty and NOT that new moon trash). But I’m afraid to say cause I’m terrified that ZOS will nerf it.
Hit me up ingame or on Discord please because I run Desert Rose as breton with Bloodspawn and Drain and so on the usal stuff and sustain feels pretty bad this patch.
Yup hit me up in game PcNA or on disc yo. I’m JumpmanLane on both. I got a BUILD for you! I’ll send you a pm here of the basics.
Cause I was gonna say, don’t be running Desert Rose Lich! Bloodspawn if you want.
P.S. crap. How do you send someone a pm on here lol.
I do not run lich since it makes no difference if i run lich or a damage set. I'll message u on discord since I'm on eu
Cool man. No problem
JumpmanLane wrote: »JumpmanLane wrote: »JumpmanLane wrote: »MagDk hits like a truck driven by a fat man hauling bricks. AND it’s TANKY af.
Sustain is what it is. MagDk has been nerfed so much you can’t really expect to sustain without working at it. I ran 688 magicka recovery first half of last patch; so... I just make it work.
Now Zenimax COULD toss out some buffs. I’ll take em. Though, MagDk is hitting HARD at the moment in duels, 1v1s in Cyro. Etc. People take a little damage and RUN...or get DROPPED.
P.S. there’s a certain set that does it (not crafty and NOT that new moon trash). But I’m afraid to say cause I’m terrified that ZOS will nerf it.
Hit me up ingame or on Discord please because I run Desert Rose as breton with Bloodspawn and Drain and so on the usal stuff and sustain feels pretty bad this patch.
Yup hit me up in game PcNA or on disc yo. I’m JumpmanLane on both. I got a BUILD for you! I’ll send you a pm here of the basics.
Cause I was gonna say, don’t be running Desert Rose Lich! Bloodspawn if you want.
P.S. crap. How do you send someone a pm on here lol.
I do not run lich since it makes no difference if i run lich or a damage set. I'll message u on discord since I'm on eu
Cool man. No problem
I need the number after the # though too for discord.
Damn obviously YET ANOTHER DK centered thread despite magDK being really powerful in BG and just overall strong in small scale. Yes, mobility was always an issue but the amount of damage you pack is a lot higher than other classes in PVP. Couple this with it’s decent survivability and the strongest CC in game, you just need to L2P.
In open world 1vX, yes magDK isn’t as well off against more decent players but due to its burst potential combined with its survivability you can still pull off 1vXs relatively well especially if you use the terrain to your advantage. If sustain is an issue definitely your problem, not DK. As an Altmer magDK you pretty much have the best stam recovery as a mag char in the whole game due to passives. As for Magicka recovery if you’re stuck on 2 DPS set, non Breton with non mag recovery food and doesn’t run elemental drain or runs it but forgets to apply 9/10 times well then I guess you would suck no matter what you played anyway.
TL;DR a thread of another DK mega-bait thread where low tier DKs cry why one of the strongest specs is not OP in all situations.
I'm breton and I can't sustain with Desert Rose + Lich + Bloodspawn and Eledrain. I drink potions on cooldown and I use ults on cooldown. Idk maybe I'm supposed to use only one ability every 3 seconds but this is not how it is on my Sorc or any other class. Yes Molten Whip is good damage but overall MagDk stats are the worst in the game. I do 1vX on MagDk since 2016 and it has never felt this bad. I didn't have these issues before.
JumpmanLane wrote: »JumpmanLane wrote: »JumpmanLane wrote: »MagDk hits like a truck driven by a fat man hauling bricks. AND it’s TANKY af.
Sustain is what it is. MagDk has been nerfed so much you can’t really expect to sustain without working at it. I ran 688 magicka recovery first half of last patch; so... I just make it work.
Now Zenimax COULD toss out some buffs. I’ll take em. Though, MagDk is hitting HARD at the moment in duels, 1v1s in Cyro. Etc. People take a little damage and RUN...or get DROPPED.
P.S. there’s a certain set that does it (not crafty and NOT that new moon trash). But I’m afraid to say cause I’m terrified that ZOS will nerf it.
Hit me up ingame or on Discord please because I run Desert Rose as breton with Bloodspawn and Drain and so on the usal stuff and sustain feels pretty bad this patch.
Yup hit me up in game PcNA or on disc yo. I’m JumpmanLane on both. I got a BUILD for you! I’ll send you a pm here of the basics.
Cause I was gonna say, don’t be running Desert Rose Lich! Bloodspawn if you want.
P.S. crap. How do you send someone a pm on here lol.
I do not run lich since it makes no difference if i run lich or a damage set. I'll message u on discord since I'm on eu
Cool man. No problemcause I’m not really looking forward to facing this build on PcNA.
I’ve had 1v1’s where people took a little damage and RAN. I don’t mean line of sight. I mean they LEFT.
https://youtu.be/zou04KmlBJcHave you ever thought that maybe, just maybe, it’s a L2P issue?https://youtu.be/zou04KmlBJc
Damn obviously YET ANOTHER DK centered thread despite magDK being really powerful in BG and just overall strong in small scale. Yes, mobility was always an issue but the amount of damage you pack is a lot higher than other classes in PVP. Couple this with it’s decent survivability and the strongest CC in game, you just need to L2P.
In open world 1vX, yes magDK isn’t as well off against more decent players but due to its burst potential combined with its survivability you can still pull off 1vXs relatively well especially if you use the terrain to your advantage. If sustain is an issue definitely your problem, not DK. As an Altmer magDK you pretty much have the best stam recovery as a mag char in the whole game due to passives. As for Magicka recovery if you’re stuck on 2 DPS set, non Breton with non mag recovery food and doesn’t run elemental drain or runs it but forgets to apply 9/10 times well then I guess you would suck no matter what you played anyway.
TL;DR a thread of another DK mega-bait thread where low tier DKs cry why one of the strongest specs is not OP in all situations.
I'm breton and I can't sustain with Desert Rose + Lich + Bloodspawn and Eledrain. I drink potions on cooldown and I use ults on cooldown. Idk maybe I'm supposed to use only one ability every 3 seconds but this is not how it is on my Sorc or any other class. Yes Molten Whip is good damage but overall MagDk stats are the worst in the game. I do 1vX on MagDk since 2016 and it has never felt this bad. I didn't have these issues before.
I almost never say this, but if you cant sustain in THAT setup as a Breton with the Combustion buff then it's either a L2P issue OR your build has so much focus on sustain that your skills are weak and as a result you have to spam them to hell to even dream of getting a kill. Hence why you cant sustain. People are already tanky as balls in this meta so idk why you'd run a build like that unless you just want to be a zergling who CCs people and relies on other people's damage.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7TM0YpCb5fE&feature=youtu.beHave you ever thought that maybe, just maybe, it’s a L2P issue?https://youtu.be/zou04KmlBJc
Damn obviously YET ANOTHER DK centered thread despite magDK being really powerful in BG and just overall strong in small scale. Yes, mobility was always an issue but the amount of damage you pack is a lot higher than other classes in PVP. Couple this with it’s decent survivability and the strongest CC in game, you just need to L2P.
In open world 1vX, yes magDK isn’t as well off against more decent players but due to its burst potential combined with its survivability you can still pull off 1vXs relatively well especially if you use the terrain to your advantage. If sustain is an issue definitely your problem, not DK. As an Altmer magDK you pretty much have the best stam recovery as a mag char in the whole game due to passives. As for Magicka recovery if you’re stuck on 2 DPS set, non Breton with non mag recovery food and doesn’t run elemental drain or runs it but forgets to apply 9/10 times well then I guess you would suck no matter what you played anyway.
TL;DR a thread of another DK mega-bait thread where low tier DKs cry why one of the strongest specs is not OP in all situations.
I'm breton and I can't sustain with Desert Rose + Lich + Bloodspawn and Eledrain. I drink potions on cooldown and I use ults on cooldown. Idk maybe I'm supposed to use only one ability every 3 seconds but this is not how it is on my Sorc or any other class. Yes Molten Whip is good damage but overall MagDk stats are the worst in the game. I do 1vX on MagDk since 2016 and it has never felt this bad. I didn't have these issues before.
I almost never say this, but if you cant sustain in THAT setup as a Breton with the Combustion buff then it's either a L2P issue OR your build has so much focus on sustain that your skills are weak and as a result you have to spam them to hell to even dream of getting a kill. Hence why you cant sustain. People are already tanky as balls in this meta so idk why you'd run a build like that unless you just want to be a zergling who CCs people and relies on other people's damage.
I don't run that build, Ive tried it because I couldn't sustain anything with damage. And no I don't wanna zerg, the last time I zerged was 4 years ago.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7TM0YpCb5fE&feature=youtu.be
Watch that and you will see whats the problem. I have to spam dragonblood because if I wanna deal damage I'm not as tanky and then I die in the end because I'm out of mag because of the dragonblood spam.
https://youtu.be/k23Dgd0Zs2EIdk, I see more mag DKs than ever all over cyro with their high health and healing from 10% to 100% every 5 seconds. Seems like they are doing fine to me.
I could take any class and still have OP heals. The issue is the sustain, which is likely intended as people were saying healing is too sustainable (under the blanket term OP), but I think this applies to all classes, not just DK. I'll be eager to see wha6 changes lie in the future for all classes.