Why incap silence is ridiculous.

Baphomet · October 2019

Because it also prevents you from drinking potions and using ultimates.

Seriously, let me drink my friggin' potions when I want to!

Also, why must this ultimate differentiate in effectiveness between magicka and stamina?

Why are magicka builds being victimized here when stamina is already the stronger option? (negate magic comes to mind too).

Furthermore, my NB would also like to get something back that is equally effective against both magicka and stamina builds, so just give us a good ol' stun back already.

Nerftheforums · October 2019

The more you wait, the weaker your ult gets. Free cc immunity for the enemy is a gift, didn't you know? It allows for a longer fight and more fun for both opponents! God bless my ult becoming shittier the more I wait to use it!

ketsparrowhawk · October 2019

Such a shame, this change. Incap was perfect. Maybe it needed to have defile removed.. maybe? Otherwise it was fine. The silence is not fun for either party. Most NB's prefer not to give the free CC immunity anyway, so they either always use it early or just use a different ult. Oh and cast time now too. I honestly don't remember the last time I was hit with incap it's so easy to dodge now. A real shame.

Qbiken · October 2019

ZOS could revert literally every change made to this skill but giving back it´s stun. The stun from incap was probably one of the buggiest stuns this game has ever seen. Every time you were hit by incap, your character would freeze for half a second before actually getting stunned and pinned to the ground. That delay was a pain to deal with.

JinxxND · October 2019

Baphomet wrote: »

Because it also prevents you from drinking potions and using ultimates.

Seriously, let me drink my friggin' potions when I want to!

Also, why must this ultimate differentiate in effectiveness between magicka and stamina?

Why are magicka builds being victimized here when stamina is already the stronger option? (negate magic comes to mind too).

Furthermore, my NB would also like to get something back that is equally effective against both magicka and stamina builds, so just give us a good ol' stun back already.

This ultimate has been nerfed into the ground and yet people still complain about it which at this point I'm certain is l2p problems. The only good thing about the ult is the sustain passive attached which is better off used on a ranged bow build for added sustain and the assassination passives. Since the removal of defile and the nerfing of damage across the board on top of the horrendous cast time this ult is awful for focusing people down. If you manage to even land this ult on someone Stamina builds can heal thru the damage because the lack of defile and if you used the strong version of the skill you just gave them free cc immunity not allowing you to use any cc to help follow up with the damage boost. Both the 2h ult and dawnbreaker (either morph) are better for focusing down a target. If you hit a magicka character with the silence since it gives cc immunity they just have to avoid any sort of follow up by blocking/single dodge roll because they cannot get stunned following the hit and the silence is only 3 seconds then able to heal back to full because lack of defile.

The skill is extremely weak and can be countered numerous ways. The skill should have it's cast time removed for starters then either go one of two ways. The ult should always be 70 ult like soul harvest and either bring the defile back especially with how healing is in this game after removing seemingly all sources of defile or keep the silence but remove the cc immunity on a non cc it's already extremely short and counterable as is with only 3 seconds.

Bringing back the stun would be a terrible idea on a skill and how it could be followed up with a bow proc because of the GCD. It does NOT need the stun either bringing back the defile or removing the cc immunity on a NON CC would be enough on top of having the cast time removed. I personally think the silence is healthier for the game and avoids the defile heavy armor nightblade meta and is already extremely forgiving only being 3 seconds, the cc immunity on a non cc along with cast time kills it the skill though.

Szende · October 2019

Silence is good. I think its aimed to suppress the vital life-saving abilities in the critical moment. Problem is, with the current cast-timed version it doesnt work. What incap needs thats ONE of these:
-cast time removing
-bit longer silence (5-6 sec)
-be unbreakable

I think, one of these changes would solve the incapaciting strike`s identity and effectiveness

ThePhantomThorn · October 2019

id be fine with removing the cast time and 1 of these

major defile

unbreakable silence that should effect ALL skills.

a 70% snare.

a BIG damage buff.

leepalmer95 · October 2019

anyone talking about an unbreakable silence just needs to stop right there.

The cast time needs removing and it needs the defile back.

RighteousBacon · October 2019

I don’t understand why people think stam is stronger than mag. Both sides have their strengths.

MajBludd · November 2019

I feel for the nb community, but the nerfs were coming. The salt was too much and it was nbs turn.
If they are removing hard cc's from class and weapon skills, why not give incap the stun back if they against the defile? Its an "ultimate" after all.

Kadoin · November 2019

RighteousBacon wrote: »

I don’t understand why people think stam is stronger than mag. Both sides have their strengths.

I don't know...

Negate, CC being bugged making you run more stam on a mag char where a stam char never has a need to run more mag, higher skill base costs forcing you away from sets that offer damage like New Moon Acolyte, higher skill costs forcing you to run sustain set or "get good" in a way you never have to on stam, no Marksman equivalent, slower heavy attacks, easily avoided ults, less direct damage options, sets that simply aren't as good, etc.

But hey, maybe that's just my opinion...

deepseamk20b14_ESO · November 2019

You still use incap? Just stop. They aren’t going to change it anytime soon. I switched to onslaught so instead of getting hate tells about incap now people can hate tell me for using onslaught.

SipofMaim · November 2019

Nerftheforums wrote: »

The more you wait, the weaker your ult gets. Free cc immunity for the enemy is a gift, didn't you know? It allows for a longer fight and more fun for both opponents! God bless my ult becoming shittier the more I wait to use it!

They really don't seem to have thought that through.

Unless the intention was FU NBs, but I think it only feels that way.

Sanguinor2 · November 2019

SipofMaim wrote: »

They really don't seem to have thought that through.

Unless the intention was FU NBs, but I think it only feels that way.

They didnt think it through, they just needed to make a quick Change because in their infinite wisdom someone on the Combat Team decided that an Unbreakable silence would be a good idea, which created one of the biggest, if not the biggest Forum outrage ever so they had to somehow give it counterplay and they just decided to be lazy About it.

JinxxND · November 2019

Sanguinor2 wrote: »

SipofMaim wrote: »

They really don't seem to have thought that through.

Unless the intention was FU NBs, but I think it only feels that way.

They didnt think it through, they just needed to make a quick Change because in their infinite wisdom someone on the Combat Team decided that an Unbreakable silence would be a good idea, which created one of the biggest, if not the biggest Forum outrage ever so they had to somehow give it counterplay and they just decided to be lazy About it.

The funny thing is the unbreakable silence that only lasts 3 seconds it's the same amount of time it take to walk out of a guard negate. People crying about a 3 seconds unbreakable silence are probably the magsorcs that hard cast frags and cry about sorcs needing a buff. At some point people should learn to play the game and mechanics instead of crying about every single inconvenience despite it being extremely counter able.

Your a mag toon and get hit with incap your first reaction should be to block and or dodge roll. Guess what the 3 seconds is up now and your now free to either cc and/or start your healing against which isn't defiled with a silence. L2P issue.

Sanguinor2 · November 2019

JinxxND wrote: »

The funny thing is the unbreakable silence that only lasts 3 seconds it's the same amount of time it take to walk out of a guard negate. People crying about a 3 seconds unbreakable silence are probably the magsorcs that hard cast frags and cry about sorcs needing a buff. At some point people should learn to play the game and mechanics instead of crying about every single inconvenience despite it being extremely counter able.

Your a mag toon and get hit with incap your first reaction should be to block and or dodge roll. Guess what the 3 seconds is up now and your now free to either cc and/or start your healing against which isn't defiled with a silence. L2P issue.

If it takes anyone 3 seconds to walk out of a negate they suck.
3 Seconds of no abilities possible so no defense or offense for mag is a death sentence. You only have your stampool which is already limited since mag is your Primary Attribute. While you dont have to necessarily die in those 3 seconds you will be placed at such a big disadvantage that the next cc (or next incap since its among the cheapest ults in the game and nbs can get nearly 1/3rd of its cost back for drinking a potion) will kill you.

Lets put it in reverse: Why dont you defend yourself with only your magpool on a stamchar for 3 seconds? Let me know how that works out.

SipofMaim · November 2019

JinxxND wrote: »

Sanguinor2 wrote: »

SipofMaim wrote: »

They really don't seem to have thought that through.

Unless the intention was FU NBs, but I think it only feels that way.

They didnt think it through, they just needed to make a quick Change because in their infinite wisdom someone on the Combat Team decided that an Unbreakable silence would be a good idea, which created one of the biggest, if not the biggest Forum outrage ever so they had to somehow give it counterplay and they just decided to be lazy About it.

The funny thing is the unbreakable silence that only lasts 3 seconds it's the same amount of time it take to walk out of a guard negate. People crying about a 3 seconds unbreakable silence are probably the magsorcs that hard cast frags and cry about sorcs needing a buff. At some point people should learn to play the game and mechanics instead of crying about every single inconvenience despite it being extremely counter able.

Your a mag toon and get hit with incap your first reaction should be to block and or dodge roll. Guess what the 3 seconds is up now and your now free to either cc and/or start your healing against which isn't defiled with a silence. L2P issue.

Three seconds is a long time in PVP.

JinxxND · November 2019

Outside of a nightblade which is currently stamina for PvP I do play a mag necro and I have been able to counter a silence incap numerous times by literally just dodge rolling once and blocking for the silence affect to be over then using my heals and getting ready to cc. Mag toons do have a stamina pool and while they aren't roll dodging throughout the fight like medium armor stam toons you still have stamina to breakfree, block, and dodge roll big attacks and such. Saying a stamina pool is non existent on a mag toon is incredibly dumb. If you had 0 stamina to work with 1 cc such as a petrify/bombard would kill all mag toons also with access to tri stat food, sets like shacklebreaker, racials such as the high elf stam regen on class abilities or even if you want to go less max stam with bi stat food and use sets like bloodspawn/amberplasm you have multiple ways to use stamina for your defenses. You still have to dodge roll big attacks like anyone else just not as much as a medium armor and block attacks from time to time even if it's not as much as a sword and board/heavy armor user.

Raudgrani · November 2019

Because the "combat team" or whatever to call them, are quite "special".

I'd really want see them in real life:

- "Isn't a bit hot in here?"
- "Yeah SURE! Now let's CRUSH all windows, remove and throw away the doors entirely, turn the AC up to 100%, and open the fridge and freezer! GO!"

They obviously don't play the game. Gradual changes isn't their thing. And thinking through changes isn't either. Put an absolutely silly debuff (Silence) on an almost spammable ultimate - yeah, perfect thinking. It's VERY fun to come across that as a magicka character. Your options for defense are SO numerous. It's like they don't even try to foresee what changes like these will mean.

JinxxND · November 2019

I'd be totally cool if they removed the silence altogether and just made it 70 ult at all times and major defile like soul harvest, then the only thing bad on it would be the terrible cast time.

FearlessOne_2014 · November 2019

Silence should either effect both Magicka and Stamina, or shouldn't exist at all in this game.

ThePhantomThorn · November 2019

JinxxND wrote: »

I'd be totally cool if they removed the silence altogether and just made it 70 ult at all times and major defile like soul harvest, then the only thing bad on it would be the terrible cast time.

this

Koensol · November 2019

FearlessOne_2014 wrote: »

Silence should either effect both Magicka and Stamina, or shouldn't exist at all in this game.

Your bias is ever-showing. Don't you ever get tired of playing your victim role? Literally all your posts are crying about how stam is so much better than mag. If it was just a couple points it might actually be taken seriously, but you are just all-out red zone rage. Pathetic.