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Witches Festival Bone Broth
Kittytravel
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This is pretty much just in hopes the devs see this and either tune the other to have matching ingredient costs or tune the one ingredient in Pack Leaders. (Much more preferable that they tune the Dragon Bone.)
I think the Broth should have it's ingredient of Dragon Bone changed to something like Bloodscent Dew. The food itself isn't all that great. (No stam regen makes the flat stats on it not worth it especially with the new sustain rework that occurred in Dragonhold.) More imporantly though the other two recipes aren't all that costly in comparsion; a single Dragon Bone goes for 15k on average. In comparison to the other two the most expensive thing the Bloody Mara will garner you is Dragon's Blood at 1k each-ish and Sugar Skulls will cost you around 300-350 per Columbine as the most expensive ingredient.
2 Scrib Jelly = 500 Gold average. 5 Flour = 125 Gold average. 2 Columbine = 700 Gold average. 2 Berves Juice = 80 Gold averaege. 5 Honey = 50 gold average.
Total: 1455 or 363 gold per Sugar Skull.
1 Nightshade = 250 Gold average. 1 Deadra Heart = 50 Gold. 1 Dragons Blood = 1200 on average. 1 Frost Mirriam = 80 Gold.
Total: 1580 or 395 per Bloody Mara.
1 Dragon Bone = 15,000 Gold average. Red meat = 10 Gold average. 5 Bone = 75 Gold average. Frost Mirriam = 80 Gold.
Total: 15,165 or 3791 per Bone Broth.
In addition to all this there is a blue food that gives a 300 improved stat difference and costs a fraction: Unless the Broth is attuned to give a better decrease to werewolf abilities (I think it should anyway considering how gimmicky the food is to begin with) it's sad to see this recipe added for no use to be made of it while the other two can certainly be used at a cheaper cost substitute for lower end content for new and old players alike.
There is a clear pricing gap here and it'd be nice to see this recipe brought in line with the other two as cheap alternatives to expensive versions. I'd suggest using the Bloodscent Dew style material in place of the Dragon Bone style material as it's both more accessible and makes more sense being from Hircine's realm. Certainly that's a more plausible material for why it reduces werewolf ability cost.
It could look something like this.
3 Bloodscent Dew = 1050 Gold average. 5 Red Meat = 50 Gold Average. 5 Bone = 75 Gold Average. 5 Frost Mirriam = 400 Gold Average.
Total: 1575 or 393 per broth.
Note: The main point of this thread is to point out the massive cost difference in the three recipes. I don't care if any of the stats get buffed/nerfed/changed I would rather have all three recipes be brought in to a somewhat close crafting cost.
Edited by Kittytravel on October 29, 2019 8:27PM I think the Broth should have it's ingredient of Dragon Bone changed to something like Bloodscent Dew. The food itself isn't all that great. (No stam regen makes the flat stats on it not worth it especially with the new sustain rework that occurred in Dragonhold.) More imporantly though the other two recipes aren't all that costly in comparsion; a single Dragon Bone goes for 15k on average. In comparison to the other two the most expensive thing the Bloody Mara will garner you is Dragon's Blood at 1k each-ish and Sugar Skulls will cost you around 300-350 per Columbine as the most expensive ingredient.
2 Scrib Jelly = 500 Gold average. 5 Flour = 125 Gold average. 2 Columbine = 700 Gold average. 2 Berves Juice = 80 Gold averaege. 5 Honey = 50 gold average.
Total: 1455 or 363 gold per Sugar Skull.
1 Nightshade = 250 Gold average. 1 Deadra Heart = 50 Gold. 1 Dragons Blood = 1200 on average. 1 Frost Mirriam = 80 Gold.
Total: 1580 or 395 per Bloody Mara.
1 Dragon Bone = 15,000 Gold average. Red meat = 10 Gold average. 5 Bone = 75 Gold average. Frost Mirriam = 80 Gold.
Total: 15,165 or 3791 per Bone Broth.
In addition to all this there is a blue food that gives a 300 improved stat difference and costs a fraction: Unless the Broth is attuned to give a better decrease to werewolf abilities (I think it should anyway considering how gimmicky the food is to begin with) it's sad to see this recipe added for no use to be made of it while the other two can certainly be used at a cheaper cost substitute for lower end content for new and old players alike.
There is a clear pricing gap here and it'd be nice to see this recipe brought in line with the other two as cheap alternatives to expensive versions. I'd suggest using the Bloodscent Dew style material in place of the Dragon Bone style material as it's both more accessible and makes more sense being from Hircine's realm. Certainly that's a more plausible material for why it reduces werewolf ability cost.
It could look something like this.
3 Bloodscent Dew = 1050 Gold average. 5 Red Meat = 50 Gold Average. 5 Bone = 75 Gold Average. 5 Frost Mirriam = 400 Gold Average.
Total: 1575 or 393 per broth.
Note: The main point of this thread is to point out the massive cost difference in the three recipes. I don't care if any of the stats get buffed/nerfed/changed I would rather have all three recipes be brought in to a somewhat close crafting cost.
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TheRealPotoroo✭✭✭✭✭
✭Where do you get Dragon Bone anyway? I thought it was from killing dragons but it turns out that's Dragon's Blood instead.PC NA, PC EU
"Instead of taking the best of the dolmens (predictable rotation), the best of the geysers (scalability based on number of players), and the best of the dragons (map location and health indicators) and adding them together to make a fun and dynamic world event scenario, they gave us....... harrowstorms." https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/6850523/#Comment_68505230 -
Glurin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭TheRealPotoroo wrote: »Where do you get Dragon Bone anyway? I thought it was from killing dragons but it turns out that's Dragon's Blood instead.
I think it's exclusively from Fang Lair. As in, you have to collect the sets that drop in Fang Lair, deconstruct them and hope you get dragon bone in the process."He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster...when you gaze long into the abyss the abyss also gazes into you..."3 -
WillhelmBlack✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭TheRealPotoroo wrote: »Where do you get Dragon Bone anyway? I thought it was from killing dragons but it turns out that's Dragon's Blood instead.
I think it's exclusively from Fang Lair. As in, you have to collect the sets that drop in Fang Lair, deconstruct them and hope you get dragon bone in the process.
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TriangularChicken✭✭✭✭imagine being so entitled to think everything has to be cheap and easy to get for everyone. the next joke is to ask ZOS to regulate the in game economy lmao2 -
Calboy✭✭✭✭✭TriangularChicken wrote: »imagine being so entitled to think everything has to be cheap and easy to get for everyone. the next joke is to ask ZOS to regulate the in game economy lmao
It's not about being entitled. It's a friggen computer game, that people play for fun.14 -
Glurin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭TriangularChicken wrote: »imagine being so entitled to think everything has to be cheap and easy to get for everyone. the next joke is to ask ZOS to regulate the in game economy lmao
It's more of a cost v.s. benefit thing. The other two give pretty good benefits for comparatively low cost v.s. bone broth which has a pretty rare ingredient and it's big selling point is a whole 15 points off your werewolf ultimate.Edited by Glurin on November 2, 2019 8:40AM"He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster...when you gaze long into the abyss the abyss also gazes into you..."5 -
Ragnork✭✭✭✭✭You can always farm Fang Lair - it is not too difficult to solo until the boss with mechanics that lock you down.1 -
Cirantille✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭It is a silly recipe, I agree
I wouldn't use it because the benefit (!) is not worth it, like a joke
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Kittytravel✭✭✭✭✭TriangularChicken wrote: »imagine being so entitled to think everything has to be cheap and easy to get for everyone. the next joke is to ask ZOS to regulate the in game economy lmao
It's more of a cost v.s. benefit thing. The other two give pretty good benefits for comparatively low cost v.s. bone broth which has a pretty rare ingredient and it's big selling point is a whole 15 points off your werewolf ultimate.
iirc after testing it actually doesn't even give cost reduc for werewolf ult; because you have to be in werewolf ultimate for the cost reduction to apply. So it only gives cost reduction for abilities while already in werewolf ultimate.TriangularChicken wrote: »imagine being so entitled to think everything has to be cheap and easy to get for everyone. the next joke is to ask ZOS to regulate the in game economy lmao
You clearly either didn't or can't read. I systematically compared these to the other two recipes from the exact same event, the other two have a massive cost difference compared to this one. The recipe first off isn't even easy or cheap to get (about 75k still right now which is more expensive than a good deal of other foods) which is fine. And just like the disastrously the recipe gives no notable benefit in any way that's better than other blue foods. The issue I'm bringing to the table is the massive cost difference for crafting one food VS the other two and the choice material used. If it was entitled it would be "Hey make the Werewolf bonus 50% and the food is gold so it should be best in slot."1 -
Kadoin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭TriangularChicken wrote: »imagine being so entitled to think everything has to be cheap and easy to get for everyone. the next joke is to ask ZOS to regulate the in game economy lmao
I will never get why people try so hard to troll on the forums. It's only comical when they're good at it...4 -
richo262✭✭✭✭✭
✭If I was to balance the new foods it would be
Bone Broth - Replace Dragon Bone with Dragon Bile. As for the silly reduce ulti cost (it is actually useless after transformation and really only saves you 2 light attacks of ulti generating, and if you wear Molag Kena (which you should, stop being a scrub) then your Ulti is already going haywire anyway. Replace the ulti cost with either - a ) Extended werewolf duration or b ) Reduces werewolf skill cost by X%. A would still not improve WW combat, but would be convenient. B would improve the WW quite nicely given Molag Kena increases skill costs, which BTW, Molag Kenas skill cost increase is ridiculously high and not balanced at all given the new sets ~5% increase. Molag is 20%.
Disastrous is fine as is.
Sugar Skulls - I have a concern that as this is a good food that it may be nerfed. I'd petition ZOS to not nerf the stats, but if they wish, to increase the cost of making it marginally. I would do this by lowering the Honey and Flour to 2. Increase Bervez Juice to 5 add Frost Meriam also 5. It would be the only 6 mat provision, and probably worthy of it.Edited by richo262 on November 3, 2019 4:35PM0 -
OG_Kaveman✭✭✭✭✭. iirc after testing it actually doesn't even give cost reduc for werewolf ult; because you have to be in werewolf ultimate for the cost reduction to apply. So it only gives cost reduction for abilities while already in werewolf ultimate.
You remember wrong. The food lowers the cost of the ulti by 5%, it does nothing for the cost of skills while in wolf form.0 -
Pevey✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Dragon bone is not rare or hard to get, and it will not be so expensive after a while. The price will come back down. People are just capitalizing on the sudden spike in demand.0 -
Kittytravel✭✭✭✭✭OG_Kaveman wrote: »You remember wrong. The food lowers the cost of the ulti by 5%, it does nothing for the cost of skills while in wolf form.
Good to know that; just makes the food even more useless than I originally thought further incentivizing not having this silly style material required.
I'd like to point out the cost has actually gone down since the event and this recipe came out. I used to see them anywhere from 12-15k per and now they are down to 8-11k each. Still rather high for a crappy food but even worse when the same sister gold recipes have a much lower craft cost which is the point of the thread.Dragon bone is not rare or hard to get, and it will not be so expensive after a while. The price will come back down. People are just capitalizing on the sudden spike in demand.0 -
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✭Kittytravel wrote: »In addition to all this there is a blue food that gives a 300 improved stat difference and costs a fraction: Unless the Broth is attuned to give a better decrease to werewolf abilities (I think it should anyway considering how gimmicky the food is to begin with) it's sad to see this recipe added for no use to be made of it while the other two can certainly be used at a cheaper cost substitute for lower end content for new and old players alike.
The reason bone broth gives slightly less is because it's a drink can be used with bone pirate set. They toned bloody mara down a little while ago for the same reason of it being used with Bright-Throat's. (Whether that's fair or balanced or not is another discussion)0 -
hakan✭✭✭✭✭If I was to balance the new foods it would be
Bone Broth - Replace Dragon Bone with Dragon Bile. As for the silly reduce ulti cost (it is actually useless after transformation and really only saves you 2 light attacks of ulti generating, and if you wear Molag Kena (which you should, stop being a scrub) then your Ulti is already going haywire anyway. Replace the ulti cost with either - a ) Extended werewolf duration or b ) Reduces werewolf skill cost by X%. A would still not improve WW combat, but would be convenient. B would improve the WW quite nicely given Molag Kena increases skill costs, which BTW, Molag Kenas skill cost increase is ridiculously high and not balanced at all given the new sets ~5% increase. Molag is 20%.
Disastrous is fine as is.
Sugar Skulls - I have a concern that as this is a good food that it may be nerfed. I'd petition ZOS to not nerf the stats, but if they wish, to increase the cost of making it marginally. I would do this by lowering the Honey and Flour to 2. Increase Bervez Juice to 5 add Frost Meriam also 5. It would be the only 6 mat provision, and probably worthy of it.
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Acrolas✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Alchemy, Provisioning, and Enchanting writs tend to have a better gold-per-voucher value because they're not set-dependent and use overall fewer materials.
For a lot of crafters, 20 vouchers is enough to dump the money on a rarer mat. So I'd say it's more the writ than the recipe driving up the price of Dragon Bone.
Also, it's hard to blind estimate because Dragon Bone dropped from the anniversary boxes. I had several dozen just from that event.signing off0
