I get what ur saying but u could have 3 skill slots and use that arguement but doesnt change the fact the low amount of skills are very limiting and lead to repetitive combat that is un needed with the amount of skills available. And if we had 3 or so more active skills available I think I'd increase build deversity as a whole and as well as increase deversity between player builds not lower it. 12 skill slots in total is far to low for a mmo especially when devided among all skill type imo which is subjective of course

The only thing I'd like them to add is a passive slot where you only get the passive effects of slotting the skill.

JinMori wrote: »

The reason they don;t is because of console, that's it.

The you have to choose etc it's all bs, even with many other skill slots you still wouldn't be able to do everything.

In any case it's not like you have any real choice if you wanna be the best you can.

Some skillsets are just better than others.

As far as “because consoles”, I don’t 100% agree as I’ve played MMO’s like Final fantasy XI on PlayStation and you had way more than 12 skills. At least I remember there being lots more skills. It’s been a LONG time since I played it. Used a tiny keyboard attachment to type to other players but it wasn’t used for skills.

I honestly am fine with 12 slots. I’ve played games that had 40 skills on the bars and honestly, many weren’t used and you ended up doing Rotations anyways. The rotation was only a bit more complicated because skill cool downs meant you would use another skill in place of whatever skill was on cool down. Though complicated, not necessarily harder.

I'm quite happy with the limitation of 12 skills, but I've been a strong believer of adding a utility slot so builds can get rid of the requirement to slot certain abilities.

The ability in this slot doesn't change with weapon swapping. It can be activeley used and any passives tied to it are granted all the time. Pretty much every class has a skill like this and if they don't, there is always a universal skill available like Camo Hunter or Inner Light. These skills often times take up slots just to passively gain their bonuses.

Another option is to to characterize certain abilities as "Utility", these skills are the only 1's that can be slotted in this position, but if the player chooses to, they can still slot them anywhere on their normal bars. Warframe has something like this for mods that give extra sprtint speed, loot radar, etc. Their game originally didn't have those slots and were implemented later, but it made these underused abilities much more interested to choose from and build diversity went up. It's never too late.

To the whole console limitation arguement, controller utlimates are tied to 2 button presses with left and right bumper. The same can be done with a new utility slot, buttons like the emote button are also kind of useless, you can change it to be tied to the consumable wheel. It's a limitation only if you lack imagination. Tons of games have many more button presses then eso. This is just 1 new option.

The final option is to just make the slot passive, but I think that's very boring, that being said, many builds are double barring abilities like Flame Lash, Inner Light, Bound Aegis, Camo Hunter, Psijic Order, etc.

Now if you consider the current state of the game, then yes maybe a new slot wouldn't be the best, everyone would slot Inner Light and every mag build would have those bonuses + stealth detection. There is numerous ways to make it work, simply by changing the amount of passive magicka it gives to make other options more viable or a situation where CP or the overall dps potential of every build wasn't quite as high.

We've already seen this done in this patch with the nerf to dots. Things change and need to be evaluated against everything in the game instead of in a vaccum or the current context of the game. CP is set to have some changes down the pipeline, so if damage being too high is another argument, I think that's something that can easily be balanced at the time of introducing a mechanic such as this. The biggest benifit is to further build diversity, yet still keeping the restrictions in place that make choosing abilties with the limited bar space meaningful.

MashmalloMan wrote: »

I'm quite happy with the limitation of 12 skills, but I've been a strong believer of adding a utility slot so builds can get rid of the requirement to slot certain abilities.

The ability in this slot doesn't change with weapon swapping. It can be activeley used and any passives tied to it are granted all the time. Pretty much every class has a skill like this and if they don't, there is always a universal skill available like Camo Hunter or Inner Light. These skills often times take up slots just to passively gain their bonuses.

Another option is to to characterize certain abilities as "Utility", these skills are the only 1's that can be slotted in this position, but if the player chooses to, they can still slot them anywhere on their normal bars. Warframe has something like this for mods that give extra sprtint speed, loot radar, etc. Their game originally didn't have those slots and were implemented later, but it made these underused abilities much more interested to choose from and build diversity went up. It's never too late.

To the whole console limitation arguement, controller utlimates are tied to 2 button presses with left and right bumper. The same can be done with a new utility slot, buttons like the emote button are also kind of useless, you can change it to be tied to the consumable wheel. It's a limitation only if you lack imagination. Tons of games have many more button presses then eso. This is just 1 new option.

The final option is to just make the slot passive, but I think that's very boring, that being said, many builds are double barring abilities like Flame Lash, Inner Light, Bound Aegis, Camo Hunter, Psijic Order, etc.

Now if you consider the current state of the game, then yes maybe a new slot wouldn't be the best, everyone would slot Inner Light and every mag build would have those bonuses + stealth detection. There is numerous ways to make it work, simply by changing the amount of passive magicka it gives to make other options more viable or a situation where CP or the overall dps potential of every build wasn't quite as high.

We've already seen this done in this patch with the nerf to dots. Things change and need to be evaluated against everything in the game instead of in a vaccum or the current context of the game. CP is set to have some changes down the pipeline, so if damage being too high is another argument, I think that's something that can easily be balanced at the time of introducing a mechanic such as this. The biggest benifit is to further build diversity, yet still keeping the restrictions in place that make choosing abilties with the limited bar space meaningful.

This utility slot issue is exactly why I made post. If u had 5 slots for ur attack skills and 3 or 4 slots that were universal (dont swap) just for utility type skills build deversity would open up ten fold and make combat way less repedative

Alright, I guess I'll really be the black sheep here and be the guy that would rather have LESS skill slots rather than more (Though I think 10 + 2 is still fine).

I know one of the big things people are saying is that you need the option to use more skills, but I can't quite wrap my head around why. As it is, most DPS builds already contain A. Ground-based DoT and Single-Target DoT, B. Self-heal/Shields, C. Major damage or crit buffs, D. Minor Force, E. Spammable, F. Execute, G. Sustain of some form

So as it is, there's hardly a reason for support characters. Outside of Trials, healers are already useless, and tanks basically just use Puncture and then DPS themselves because there's no other real skills to use. Adding more skill slots would just make this even more of an issue.

Another major factor that sets ESO apart from other MMOs is the lack of skill cooldowns. In most other games where you have 30 slots, skills that may otherwise be less useful still get slotted to fill in a rotation. In ESO however, there's nothing stopping you from using Rapid Strikes ten times in a row, so why would you also slot Snipe?

What I would REALLY like to see are some changes to the skill designs themselves. For starters, NO PASSIVES ON ACTIVE ABILITIES. That's why we have passives in the first place. That alone would probably free up a couple slots for at least some people. Then add actual diversity to skills so not everyone is walking around with the same build with the only competition being a mirror build.

The game is absolutely fine as it is with 10 skill slots and 2 ulti.

The only change I would consider would be the ability to NOT use an ulti, to instead slot another skill in that space.