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Troll King
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Drako_Ei✭✭✭✭✭No. It should be buffed, healers stopped using itEdited by Drako_Ei on October 29, 2019 6:56AM11 -
TempPlayer✭✭✭✭✭You mean the boss, the set, or the style.
Oh wait, you mean trolling. Nerf away.16 -
RPGplayer13579✭✭✭✭Why?My Characters.
Mike Snow - Imperial - Templar - One-Handed and Shield - Tank - Daggerfall Covenant - Commander.
Catelyn Rivers - Breton - Sorcerer - Destruction Staff - Daggerfall Covenant - Telvanni Magister.
Ashara Sand - Redguard - Warden - Two-Handed/One-Handed and Shield - Daggerfall Covenant - Heroic.
Tormund gro-Largash - Orsimer - Dragonknight - Two-Handed - Daggerfall Covenant - Furious.
Lysa Rivers - Breton - Nightblade - Bow/One-Handed and Shield - Vampire - Daggerfall Covenant - Brassy Assassin.
Jon Karstark - Nord - Dragonknight - Two-Handed - Ebonheart Pact - Drunk.
Arya Sand - Dunmer - Dragonknight - Dual Wield - Ebonheart Pact - Assassin.
Sansa Snow - Impeial - Warden - Destruction Staff/One-Handed and Shield - Ebonheart Pect - Swashbuckler.
Jojen Reed-Walker - Argonian - Templar - Restoration Staff - Healer - Ebonheart Pact - Melancholy.
Alys Karstark - Nord - Nightblade - Bow/Dual Wield - Ebonheart Pact - Minstrel.
Nymeria Woods - Bosmer - Nightblade - Bow - Aldmeri Dominion - Thief.
Brandon Wings - Altmer - Templar - Restoration Staff - Healer - Aldmeri Dominion - Scholar.
Lyanna Flowers - Altmer - Sorcerer - Sword/Destruction Staff - Aldmeri Dominion - Duchess.
Marvolo-jo Riddle - Khajiit - Necromancer - Destruction Staff - Aldmeri Dominion - Deadlands Firewalker.
Obara Woods - Bosmer - Templar - Bow - Werewolf - Aldmeri Dominion - Cheerful.1 -
Siohwenoeht✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭nerf everything that kills me in pvp plz
If troll king directly killed him, we have a very strange issue indeed.
"It is a lovely language, but it takes a very long time saying anything in it, because we do not say anything in it, unless it is worth taking a long time to say, and to listen to." - Treebeard31 -
FierceSam✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Is this like another competition?
Will there be prizes?
Will one of them be a real Troll mask and the title Troll King?
I do hope so because it can get scarily trolly on these forums sometimes2 -
RouDeR✭✭✭✭✭
✭Blood spawn is the real set that needs nerf, and ofc TK is right behind it.
But yeah, a better idea would be to make the other monster set more useful for PvP so people do not use Just TK and BS and Balrog for bomb/one shot builds
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Nerftheforums✭✭✭✭✭
✭No cooldown, basically no proc requirements, carries. Should have a least a cooldown for how strong this set is.3 -
MajBludd✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭OP -Nerf all sets because they keep me from killing you.
Stop being a nerfing contributor, OP.Edited by MajBludd on October 29, 2019 10:09AM3 -
I think the Troll Kings in cyro really need a nerf.. perma block heal should not be possible in cp pvp. Increase block cost in pvp by 50% should help.1
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✭✭✭"Nerf all the classes and all the skills that kill me in PvP/BG. Everything that kills me is OP because I'm such a great player" :'(Edited by redlink1979 on October 29, 2019 10:28AM"Sweet Mother, sweet Mother, send your child unto me, for the sins of the unworthy must be baptized in blood and fear"- Sons of the Night Mother | VforVendetta | Grownups Gaming EU | English Elders [PS][EU] 2500 CP
- Daggerfall's Mightiest | Eternal Champions | Legacy | Tamriel Melting Pot [PS][NA] 2300 CP
- SweetTrolls | Spring Rose | Daggerfall Royal Legion | Tinnitus Delux [PC][EU] 2525 CP
- Bacon Rats | Silverlight Brotherhood | Canis Root Tea Party | Vincula Doloris [PC][NA] 2300 CP
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Mr_Walker✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Masshypnosis wrote: »I think the Troll Kings in cyro really need a nerf.. perma block heal should not be possible in cp pvp. Increase block cost in pvp by 50% should help.
Um, no?10 -
MajBludd✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭@Masshypnosis yeah, and then increase the cost of all skills by 50%. That'll fix them!1 -
Hapexamendios✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭We didn’t need the previous patches’ nerfs and don’t need this one either.5 -
Mayrael✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Mhm because ~750 HPS is so OP LOL. Did you ever heard of defile?I'm done with this game because of ZOS pushing us into Vengeance, because they don't know how to fix Cyrodiil.9 -
Fawn4287✭✭✭✭✭
✭Health recovery builds were the cheese of the stam meta bandwagon prior to that disgraceful magplar dot meta, some disgusting levels of passive auto heals can be achieved with pots, gold food, cp passives, sevenths and troll king0 -
Koensol✭✭✭✭✭
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@Mayrael TK has always been OP, but now that damage overall is a bit lower again people start to actually notice it again. It is free, zero effort amd constant healing without cooldown. Plus it can be heavily inflated with buffs from passives, sets, potions and food/drinks.Mhm because ~750 HPS is so OP LOL. Did you ever heard of defile?Edited by Koensol on October 29, 2019 11:52AM1 -
MyPrist✭✭✭Make skills work.
Stop kill all content !!!
You have nothing to do? So overpovered that need set nerfs?
It is better nerf you and your class than.
While you have nothing to do, others play with skills that do not just work for 4+ month !!!
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/498673/molten-armaments-dk-skill#latest
Fix moltan armaments already !!
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Mayrael✭✭✭✭✭
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@Mayrael TK has always been OP, but now that damage overall is a bit lower again people start to actually notice it again. It is free, zero effort amd constant healing without cooldown. Plus it can be heavily inflated with buffs from passives, sets, potions and food/drinks.Mhm because ~750 HPS is so OP LOL. Did you ever heard of defile?
@Koensol What kills people is burst, when dots was the thing TK shined more now it's again useful but for sure not even close to OP. I kill people who are using TK on regular basis. It won't proc till the target drops below 50% and after using a heal his HP still remains below that 50%. Most common CP builds have around 25-30k hp. Which means someone needs to drop below 12,5-15k hp to proc TK. 12,5k HP when you weave and have decent damage can be dealt in 1-2 GCD.
Because of how TK works it requires some survivability on top of it already, TK alone won't make you suddenly super tanky like Pirate Skelly did, because if you have 12k resists TK will tick maybe 2 times before you die, that's all. So in general when you can't kill someone using TK it's not because this set offers so much, but it's because someone build themselves around survivability and TK is just a cherry on the top of the cake. To utilize it you need to survive for longer time, while major protection or major vitality is extremely potent from the very first second.
In other words if the set alone is not a game changer it's not OP. TK doesn't make anyone super tanky, it's just synergies very well with already tanky toons, but so does Alessian Order set and many others.Edited by Mayrael on October 29, 2019 1:33PMI'm done with this game because of ZOS pushing us into Vengeance, because they don't know how to fix Cyrodiil.13 -
Crixus8000✭✭✭✭✭
✭Both troll king and bloodspawn being requested to be nerfed lol. Maybe stam shouldn't be allowed to have monster sets ?
I really don't get the reason people think tk is op though. They say it's free and cheesy, sure it's free, just as many other proc sets are. Fury gives you free damage when being hit, bloodspawn gives you free ult gen and resists when hit ect.
You might not like troll king giving people passive healing but just like Mayrael said, it's not going to carry anyone alone, and if it does then the player trying to kill them is likely bad. Troll king does nothing to stop burst, it helps most against dots and smaller amounts of damage. I have never struggled killing anyone because of troll king. I just get them to around half and then burst, usually negating it's affect.
Passive healing might be annoying and can be seen as cheesy, but it's far from op. There is many things I find annoying in this game but I can understand the difference between something I don't like to fight and something that is overperforming.
Edited by Crixus8000 on October 29, 2019 1:48PM7 -
Koensol✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭While I agree to some extent with the above 2 posters, I have extensive experience playing with and without troll king, on stamina characters mainly. There used to be times in no cp where some classes were almost forced to go TK to have any sort of viable healing. Stamsorc and stamplar to name a few. With the recent changes to vigor and rally, it is not even needed anymore.
I have played with many people using TK, and I have used it myself for the longest time. TK is 100% a carry set. It's no surprise every duel tournament banned it. Best example is the old heavy bleedeblade builds with TK and willows path or the heavy orc stamsorc builds with TK, 7th legion and bound armaments, some even reaching upward to 4 or 5k health recovery while still having good damage, sustain and mitigation.
Of course these times have passed and many health rec % bonusses are now gone, but I simply have to laugh if people say TK never carried, because it 100% did carry. And I think it still is overtuned with all the increases to self healing.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I bet the OP wears Skoria in PvP.PC/NA || Cyro/BGs || retired until Dagon brings a new dawn of PvP metas3 -
Nerftheforums✭✭✭✭✭
✭El_Borracho wrote: »Seriously, OP? Troll King?
It a carry defensive mechanic. Why not?2
