JonnytheKing wrote: »

Why do poeple have to blame pvp for pve nerfs,

because it is true for the vast majority of them. it has been the mmo way when there is no means to separate the two. WOW started it as eq and eq2 have separated them. it will never change until game engines are designed for the separation.

Their will always be bad player whining in forum about how they died stupidly and how it's not right.
Same for jealous in pve about why this class do better dmg than the other or heal more than my healer and blablabla.

Most don't want to learn and adapt by themself. They just wanna be good/best w/o any effort so they blame all they can but not themself.

PvPer tend to be the more voiced on forum when it came to nerf something but it's mostly cuz PvP is more frustrating than PvE.
But in both side you've whiner.

El_Borracho wrote: »

JonnytheKing wrote: »

Why do poeple have to blame pvp for pve nerfs, its not just a pve game

Because teh vast majority of people who primarily play PVE don't give a $%&# about sets pumping out "too much" damage, other sets "healing too well" or "mitigating too much damage," or things like bows and stealth being "OP," or whine incessantly about the unfairness of Earthgore or Zaan.

But i bet u would start crying the moment a boss had op skil

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

PvP is broken, laggy and there are a ton of variables that will never allow it to ve balanced, PvE on the other hand can easily have targets and number adjustments to reach the correct balance. Unfortunately due to trying to balance the unbalancable PvP, PvE suffers

pve is repetitive and easy , so why bother. just get rid of it so they can %100 focus on pvp ,
sounds dumb ay ,
just like wat u just said

This is the same as the left vs right wing politics drama. It does not exist ZOS f uped the game regardless of PVE or PVP. It is bad developing going back and forth for a game that is this old, they should be ashamed of themselves.

Grianasteri wrote: »

If the outcome of "balancing" the game for both pvp and pve, is that each of these keeps receiving wholesale change - buffs/nerfs etc, this is not good practice and people are perfectly entitled to criticise this approach and seek better solutions.

Pvp is so different from pve, it is always going to be very difficult to balance things in a way that satisfies the majority. But I think its the case around 70 or 80% of the players base play pve, which is clearly significantly more than those who main pvp. So the argument follows, why are so many changes apparently motivated by balancing pvp? The focus seems disproportionate and this is where complaints arise.

You’re just pulling numbers out of your ass. Probably most of the player base doesn’t even care about either form of endgame. Also nerfs have nothing to do with PvP. ZOS would nerf skills regardless to control power creep. Since they have to do it anyway it comes up primarily in the context of PvP. But we can never forget that the biggest changes like Morrowind sustain nerf was done for the sake on controlling PvE. Also PvErs are happy to just have endless power creep and burn through enemies so they’ll never say if things are OP unless another class is out DPSing and there have been many nerfs to control classes that parse too high.

I attribute the existence of some animosity between PvP and PvE to ZoS for clinging for five years to the idea of trying (and failing) to balance them together. How many years of failing does it take to consider a different approach? The two aspects of the game are radically different and should be balanced as such. Either separately balance them or develop a much (much) more robust use of Battle Spirit.