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Question to ZOS developers - one for the future
Stratti
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So I play PVE in a serious way and try to learn to be better at BG
So as a result of your latest changes you have destroyed my build completely. This is because the stun from Dizzying Swing allowed for me to have a shot against the myriad of silly mechanics that you seem to care nothing about , like :
AOE from Sorcs
Pets that can destroy you passively
Templars that can not only put out huge damage but enough heals to live through two or three people
Much more
So I want to know. Is it your intention to destroy complete playstyles. Are you just responding to people who are complaining. I remember Blizzard went this way, catering to the masses when complaining and destroying whole playstyles.
At the moment you have destroyed the viability of stam with s+b/2h . I am trying to figure out a new way but would like to know what else you are planning on destroying so I know in advance.
So as a result of your latest changes you have destroyed my build completely. This is because the stun from Dizzying Swing allowed for me to have a shot against the myriad of silly mechanics that you seem to care nothing about , like :
AOE from Sorcs
Pets that can destroy you passively
Templars that can not only put out huge damage but enough heals to live through two or three people
Much more
So I want to know. Is it your intention to destroy complete playstyles. Are you just responding to people who are complaining. I remember Blizzard went this way, catering to the masses when complaining and destroying whole playstyles.
At the moment you have destroyed the viability of stam with s+b/2h . I am trying to figure out a new way but would like to know what else you are planning on destroying so I know in advance.
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Thaeryndhel✭✭Lightning Splash:- Increased the base cost to 4950, up from 3024.
- Reduced the damage per tick by approximately 20%.
Wall of Elements:- Increased base cost to 4950, up from 3024.
- Reduced the damage per tick by approximately 18%.
What were you saying about Sorc AOE?4 -
Stratti✭✭✭✭✭Is it your position that Sorc AOE is no longer playable?
Because an entire build is now no longer playable.
Is it your position that Sorc AOE is not OP?
Because it most definitely is.1 -
Thaeryndhel✭✭> silly mechanics that you seem to care nothing about
> said mechanics are nerfed in this very patch
My position is that you didn't take the time to check how other classes have been affected and complain as if your class is the only one affected by build-altering changes.7 -
starkerealm✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Also, nothing is unplayable. No matter how much some people lose their gourd over nerfs.3 -
starkerealm✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Also, as a disgusting PvP pet sorc, the passive damage from the pets is pretty meaningless, it's the sorc that's killing you. The pets just keep you from paying attention to your real problems.5 -
Stratti✭✭✭✭✭I agree with what you guys are saying but by removing the dizzy swing stun they have destroyed a vital part of that build. We are not talking about some fine tuning, that is understandable. They replaced it with Stone Giant stunning after 3 applications now. Also they try to say we can do a short stun with heavy attack.
While I agree others were adjusted, no other build was decimated in this way. So I ask them to let us know what else they aim to destroy to satisfy the kids that want to face roll their way to a win.0 -
Stratti✭✭✭✭✭Thaeryndhel wrote: »> silly mechanics that you seem to care nothing about
> said mechanics are nerfed in this very patch
My position is that you didn't take the time to check how other classes have been affected and complain as if your class is the only one affected by build-altering changes.
Please tell me how your build has become unplayable and needing complete reworking. Without the dizzying swing the build is no longer viable as a powerful setup. Has this happened to your class? If so care to elaborate?0 -
Veinblood1965✭✭✭✭✭
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Oh and then one more and you're all set.2 -
Stratti✭✭✭✭✭LOL @ the make another build. Perhaps the ability to read a comment and comprehend it is also something vital.
I have no problem making another build - I would just like to know in advance which build they will deem is unworthy next update. This is what happens when you fix something that is nt broken.0 -
Rave the Histborn✭✭✭✭✭
✭Veinblood1965 wrote: »
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Oh and then one more and you're all set.
This is an MMO. If you want one suit of armor go play a single player game XD1 -
Stratti✭✭✭✭✭Rave the Histborn wrote: »Veinblood1965 wrote: »
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Oh and then one more and you're all set.
This is an MMO. If you want one suit of armor go play a single player game XD
You are missing the point I fear. That nerf destroyed an entire build. Why then do we see templars that can just spam spears and heal while doing it and be nearly unkillable (without dizzy). Why is it we sorc pet builds whose pets do more damage then the sorc. There are so many broken builds - what about the guys that perpetually hide , dot , hide, dot and be nearly impossible to kill.
You can't say that it is fine for a MMO to stand by , watch us invest time and resources into a build and rather than nerf it THEY DECIMATE IT.
This is how you lose a playerbase, it doesnt take long , it happened with WoW and I fear it will happen here as well0 -
Rave the Histborn✭✭✭✭✭
✭LOL @ the make another build. Perhaps the ability to read a comment and comprehend it is also something vital.
I have no problem making another build - I would just like to know in advance which build they will deem is unworthy next update. This is what happens when you fix something that is nt broken.
You said in your OP that 1 skill helped you beat 3 different styles of play. This is why Dizzying caught a nerf. Just make a new build or slot a different skill. There's ways around it.2 -
Stratti✭✭✭✭✭Rave the Histborn wrote: »LOL @ the make another build. Perhaps the ability to read a comment and comprehend it is also something vital.
I have no problem making another build - I would just like to know in advance which build they will deem is unworthy next update. This is what happens when you fix something that is nt broken.
You said in your OP that 1 skill helped you beat 3 different styles of play. This is why Dizzying caught a nerf. Just make a new build or slot a different skill. There's ways around it.
So ... your argument is that because the entire build is centred on having a stun, once that stun is removed bad luck because it was effective in killing people (but had simple counters btw)
I am happy with that as long as we apply it evenly to ALL builds. Anything that is effective needs to be removed.
Sorcs, Templar, Necro , etc
Lets start with Bone Goliath that is silly
Lets remove pets from all BG
etc
Do you see my point - it seems you are happy if it doesnt happen to your build.
Again my point is I want to know what else they will decimate before I bother to invest time into this game building something else. Seems they reward faceroll stick and dress builds (as they have since beta).0 -
BloodSkull_ESO✭✭✭What do you plan on 7ucking up next is what i want to knowEdited by BloodSkull_ESO on October 24, 2019 1:22AM0
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Rave the Histborn✭✭✭✭✭
✭Rave the Histborn wrote: »LOL @ the make another build. Perhaps the ability to read a comment and comprehend it is also something vital.
I have no problem making another build - I would just like to know in advance which build they will deem is unworthy next update. This is what happens when you fix something that is nt broken.
You said in your OP that 1 skill helped you beat 3 different styles of play. This is why Dizzying caught a nerf. Just make a new build or slot a different skill. There's ways around it.
So ... your argument is that because the entire build is centred on having a stun, once that stun is removed bad luck because it was effective in killing people (but had simple counters btw)
I am happy with that as long as we apply it evenly to ALL builds. Anything that is effective needs to be removed.
Sorcs, Templar, Necro , etc
Lets start with Bone Goliath that is silly
Lets remove pets from all BG
etc
Do you see my point - it seems you are happy if it doesnt happen to your build.
Again my point is I want to know what else they will decimate before I bother to invest time into this game building something else. Seems they reward faceroll stick and dress builds (as they have since beta).
I'm a Dragon Knight main. They nerfed Wings, a GIGANTIC part of DK class identity into the ground. It is absolutely worthless now and when they nerfed it I had it slotted. I changed the skill and found something else that worked, so please don't hit me with this BS sob story of "oh you don't care cuz you don't use it."
Again, this is an MMO. They will change your skills whenever they want because that's how it goes. If you don't want to change sets I understand but you chose the wrong game for it.
"Seems they reward faceroll stick and dress builds (as they have since beta)."
Stamina is in a better place DPS wise then Mag but hey whatever1 -
Stratti✭✭✭✭✭Seems there is a basic lack of comprehension skills happening here.
Not an uncommon thing these days.
When you complain about wings being nerfed that is hugely different then destroying the ability of dizzy.
You do not build your rotation around wings. Without wings or a nerfed wings you do not become unplayable.
That is the difference between a tune and destroying a playstyle.
Hey , argue all you like, that is your right but understand a plethora of your fellow players are super pissed off at the moment. This is not good for anyone, especially when you log on and there are not as many people playing.0 -
Rave the Histborn✭✭✭✭✭
✭Seems there is a basic lack of comprehension skills happening here.
Not an uncommon thing these days.
When you complain about wings being nerfed that is hugely different then destroying the ability of dizzy.
You do not build your rotation around wings. Without wings or a nerfed wings you do not become unplayable.
That is the difference between a tune and destroying a playstyle.
Hey , argue all you like, that is your right but understand a plethora of your fellow players are super pissed off at the moment. This is not good for anyone, especially when you log on and there are not as many people playing.
Seems there is a basic lack of game comprehension skills happening here.
Not an uncommmon thing these days.
So when a skill gets changed or an armor set gets changed you change that or find a skill that works as well or better then what you have. This happens in every RPG ever.
When a single skill is used to counter multiple play styles for players then it becomes a problem because that is what is known as a "crutch." It is a skill for lesser skiller players to stand on until they adapt and improve themselves or their crutch is nerfed and they need to find their next crutch.
Hey, my fellow players can be pissed off all they want. They still have to adapt while they shout into the wind. It's happened with Sorc shields, DK wings, etc, etc, etc, etc. Want reality? Everyone gets nerfed, it's how you handle it.3 -
Stratti✭✭✭✭✭Again basic comprehension problems displayed here.
The issue has nothing to do with a crutch. All builds have one or two abilities that are central, crucial to them. Dizzy and the stun was central to the build. Removing the stun has destroyed the build.
NO RPG EVER does this lightly. The idea behind not doing this is that you alienate your playerbase by picking a build to destroy.
The only reason you are being this way is that your build is not demolished. Again you should be concerned as many people are absolutely filthy about it.
Still you are a contrarian so go ahead and be that way.
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✭The only thing I don't understand is why they took away 8% passive Magicka bonus from Northern Storm (Warden). There is no explanation from devs in patch notes, and I don't see any reasons to do so. Now it's 9% bonus for 30 seconds after using ultimate. Sounds kinda weird. Why?EU PC: @logarifmik | Languages: Русский, English
Dimitri Frernis | Breton Sorcerer | Damage Dealer | Daggerfall Covenant
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PapaWeeb✭✭✭✭I agree with what you guys are saying but by removing the dizzy swing stun they have destroyed a vital part of that build.
You can still stun with dizzying swing. Utilise a partially charged heavy to stun them when they're off-balance. For me, dizzying was buffed. Many builds don't have access to off-balance, it's a damage and sustain boost.
Off-balance stun into a burst ability is much more unpredictable than dizzy spam. Don't be so meladramatic about the "nerf"PC EU0 -
PapaWeeb✭✭✭✭logarifmik wrote: »The only thing I don't understand is why they took away 8% passive Magicka bonus from Northern Storm (Warden). There is no explanation from devs in patch notes, and I don't see any reasons to do so. Now it's 9% bonus for 30 seconds after using ultimate. Sounds kinda weird. Why?
They probably wanted more variety with the ultimates, rather than slotting stuff you might not use just for the passive. But that skill actually ranks up to 15% magicka at max rank, for 30s. With bloodspawn ulti-gen you'd have really good uptimePC EU1 -
The_Art_of_Paw✭✭✭They plan to change everything often to make endless playtime for people. Some people love it, some people don't love it as much. It's an easy way to flesh out content without ever adding too much (can you imagine the insanity to try balance 500 race types, etc?)0
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Stratti✭✭✭✭✭I agree with what you guys are saying but by removing the dizzy swing stun they have destroyed a vital part of that build.
You can still stun with dizzying swing. Utilise a partially charged heavy to stun them when they're off-balance. For me, dizzying was buffed. Many builds don't have access to off-balance, it's a damage and sustain boost.
Off-balance stun into a burst ability is much more unpredictable than dizzy spam. Don't be so meladramatic about the "nerf"
Interesting take , I never thought of it in terms of resource return. That might be interesting to practice . I’ll definitely have a look at that next time I BG0 -
MyPrist✭✭✭Moltan armaments on DK is buged, and give not 50% of heavy attack for example on restoration staff but 0%.
For lightning stuf it is buged 4 month already and in heavy attack from 4 hits it work not like
(Fully charged Heavy attack) * (1+50)%
Not (hit1+hit2+hit3+hit4) * ( 1+50% )
But only hit4 * ( 1+ 50% )
For restro staff it is
Not (hit1+hit2+hit3)*(1+50%) but
(hit1+hit2+hit3)*(1+0%)
ZERO damage ADD !!!
I will be happy to hear any information from ZOS and only from tham, about this 4+ month problem.
Will it some day be fixed?Edited by MyPrist on October 24, 2019 2:01PM0 -
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Sounds better now, thank you. I tried to build Frost Tank (Iceheart, Ice Furnace, Ysgramor's Birthright) with my Warden before the last patch. Hm, I think, it can be a positive change, after all.logarifmik wrote: »The only thing I don't understand is why they took away 8% passive Magicka bonus from Northern Storm (Warden). There is no explanation from devs in patch notes, and I don't see any reasons to do so. Now it's 9% bonus for 30 seconds after using ultimate. Sounds kinda weird. Why?
They probably wanted more variety with the ultimates, rather than slotting stuff you might not use just for the passive. But that skill actually ranks up to 15% magicka at max rank, for 30s. With bloodspawn ulti-gen you'd have really good uptimeEU PC: @logarifmik | Languages: Русский, English
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Rave the Histborn✭✭✭✭✭
✭Again basic comprehension problems displayed here.
The issue has nothing to do with a crutch. All builds have one or two abilities that are central, crucial to them. Dizzy and the stun was central to the build. Removing the stun has destroyed the build.
NO RPG EVER does this lightly. The idea behind not doing this is that you alienate your playerbase by picking a build to destroy.
The only reason you are being this way is that your build is not demolished. Again you should be concerned as many people are absolutely filthy about it.
Still you are a contrarian so go ahead and be that way.
Again, the issue is a crutch. Every build has a skill or two crucial to them, not every build has 1 skill that counters multiple play styles. There's a difference from being crucial and the only skill you use. Dizzying swings is still very much viable. You don't think so because it's not a crutch.
EVERY MMO EVER DOES THIS. It's called a set meta, you don't want every player using the same sets. It's boring and bad for the health of the game. The game is designed to last for 10years, it won't do that if the entire player base has one set to farm for and 5 skills that everyone uses.
"The only reason you are being this way is that your build is not demolished. Again you should be concerned as many people are absolutely filthy about it."
No, I've already been through this and I'm here to tell you bitching on the forums isn't going to fix your skill. It doesn't matter how many people are mad about it.
No, I'm not being a contrarian. I'm telling you reality and you don't like it.0 -
Stratti✭✭✭✭✭Rave the Histborn wrote: »Again basic comprehension problems displayed here.
The issue has nothing to do with a crutch. All builds have one or two abilities that are central, crucial to them. Dizzy and the stun was central to the build. Removing the stun has destroyed the build.
NO RPG EVER does this lightly. The idea behind not doing this is that you alienate your playerbase by picking a build to destroy.
The only reason you are being this way is that your build is not demolished. Again you should be concerned as many people are absolutely filthy about it.
Still you are a contrarian so go ahead and be that way.
Again, the issue is a crutch. Every build has a skill or two crucial to them, not every build has 1 skill that counters multiple play styles. There's a difference from being crucial and the only skill you use. Dizzying swings is still very much viable. You don't think so because it's not a crutch.
EVERY MMO EVER DOES THIS. It's called a set meta, you don't want every player using the same sets. It's boring and bad for the health of the game. The game is designed to last for 10years, it won't do that if the entire player base has one set to farm for and 5 skills that everyone uses.
"The only reason you are being this way is that your build is not demolished. Again you should be concerned as many people are absolutely filthy about it."
No, I've already been through this and I'm here to tell you bitching on the forums isn't going to fix your skill. It doesn't matter how many people are mad about it.
No, I'm not being a contrarian. I'm telling you reality and you don't like it.
OI - you are still raving and ranting about the same point over and over and over despite being the only one with that view. That is being a contrarian , you couldnt care less about how I feel - instead you insert yourself despite it not being your business, you get extremely rude over and over and then wonder why noone takes you seriously.
The conversation has moved on , while you were repeating your rant over and over.0
