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I've investigated why even the "casual players who kill dragons" are considering quitting now.
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Rave the Histborn✭✭✭✭✭
✭Rave the Histborn wrote: »Is this a GiT GuT thread or a Nerf Sorc ? I don't get it..
The top guys I have seen complaining in game:- DKs
- No pet magsorcs (that is, not me)
- Magcros
The funny thing, I am the guy who is less motivated to complain, because if you look at my numerous videos across the years, I always, always and only used an heavy attack pet + lightning spec and I am the one in game who has been hit less of all (regarding magicka specs). Moreover I mostly do trials so I get from healers the sustain help I need.
I just got annoyed reading a ton of other people complaining all day long both on zone chat and guilds. I am especially afraid about my guilds, because (and you can find references on this forum) I an others have voiced their concerns about our trial guilds not being able to get fresh people any more. There's always a turnover, but this time for two guys who (for any reason) have to leave the game, only 1 joins in.
One of my trial guilds stands since beta and spans across most MMOs, they are not "noobs" and are really social and not "elite standards". But even them have issues recruiting people now.
Look unless you actually have proof of any kind then I'm going to have to call you out on this.
The problems aren't that bad, your guilds aren't quitting in a 2:1 exodus. Stop lying. If you're losing 8k dps out of 20k total then you need to learn to rotate and not rely on DoTs as your sole source of dps.
Don't call someone out when the proof is in the pudding.
ESO has now experienced six straight months of decline (https://steamcharts.com/app/306130). Going back to it's launch, it has NEVER had six months of decline. Even more, when a new DLC hits, ESO would have a spike in players. We just had Dragonhold drop and all it got to is 14k concurrents which is less than it had last month at 19k concurrents. So this is the first time we have seen a DECLINE in players even with the new content.
No, my friend, the exodus right now is very real and very noticeable and the majority of it falls on the current combat team having just plain worn people out with their wild swings in meta from patch to patch.ESO peaked in May of this year and the decline since then has been very rapid. There has been a 54% decline in the player base since the peak. The last time ESO had this low of concurrents was in early 2017.
"ESO has now experienced six straight months of decline (https://steamcharts.com/app/306130). Going back to it's launch, it has NEVER had six months of decline. Even more, when a new DLC hits, ESO would have a spike in players. We just had Dragonhold drop and all it got to is 14k concurrents which is less than it had last month at 19k concurrents. So this is the first time we have seen a DECLINE in players even with the new content."
Don't call someone out when the proof is in the pudding.
My guilds haven't lost any members in a mass exodus, no one is raging in guild chat over dps. If there was proof they would post it, there isn't beyond "REEEEEEEEEE" posts on the forums.
"ESO has now experienced six straight months of decline (https://steamcharts.com/app/306130). Going back to it's launch, it has NEVER had six months of decline. Even more, when a new DLC hits, ESO would have a spike in players. We just had Dragonhold drop and all it got to is 14k concurrents which is less than it had last month at 19k concurrents. So this is the first time we have seen a DECLINE in players even with the new content."
If only there was an MMO that was I don't know, Warcraft themed that has been experiencing years of decline. It would still be successful by all means but there's less people playing it. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm if only that game existed to disprove this. Oh and since we're on the topic of WoW, do you think the player base didn't leave because of patches, they left because the game is 5 years old and there's other newer games to occupy their time. There's a lot of people that claim to be vets of MMOs but they also seem to be the same people unable to adapt to normal MMO elements.
"No, my friend, the exodus right now is very real and very noticeable and the majority of it falls on the current combat team having just plain worn people out with their wild swings in meta from patch to patch.ESO peaked in May of this year and the decline since then has been very rapid. There has been a 54% decline in the player base since the peak. The last time ESO had this low of concurrents was in early 2017.[/quote]"
If you can't adapt don't play. This isn't Skyrim online, this is an MMO. Wild patches, new sets being better then old ones, new metas are all part of the game. I mean if you want a game where everyone is on the same playing field because there's limited armor sets then go play WoW classic, that would more then fit your niche. I've spent more recently min maxing pvp sets then I have changing metas but I'm also adaptable and I've played this game for more then 5min.
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Karivaa✭✭✭✭✭Some of us were talking about this in guild chat last night. It seems like Zos has no direction. Buff this Nerf that rinse and repeat for 5 years. I’ve played since release and am tired of it.9
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Vahrokh✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Rave the Histborn wrote: »Is this a GiT GuT thread or a Nerf Sorc ? I don't get it..
The top guys I have seen complaining in game:- DKs
- No pet magsorcs (that is, not me)
- Magcros
The funny thing, I am the guy who is less motivated to complain, because if you look at my numerous videos across the years, I always, always and only used an heavy attack pet + lightning spec and I am the one in game who has been hit less of all (regarding magicka specs). Moreover I mostly do trials so I get from healers the sustain help I need.
I just got annoyed reading a ton of other people complaining all day long both on zone chat and guilds. I am especially afraid about my guilds, because (and you can find references on this forum) I an others have voiced their concerns about our trial guilds not being able to get fresh people any more. There's always a turnover, but this time for two guys who (for any reason) have to leave the game, only 1 joins in.
One of my trial guilds stands since beta and spans across most MMOs, they are not "noobs" and are really social and not "elite standards". But even them have issues recruiting people now.
Look unless you actually have proof of any kind then I'm going to have to call you out on this.
The problems aren't that bad, your guilds aren't quitting in a 2:1 exodus. Stop lying. If you're losing 8k dps out of 20k total then you need to learn to rotate and not rely on DoTs as your sole source of dps.
*Calls people out*
* Fabricates DPS numbers out of thin air *
(which is kind of funny, since some posts above my DPS is in the screenshots)Edited by Vahrokh on October 23, 2019 8:15PMVaerah, Dark Elf Magicka Sorceress
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Eraldus✭✭✭✭I've played the game and read my 5 guilds chats. 3 of them are for trading, 1 is a social PvE guild, one is "dedicated" PvE.
Well, for the first time I have seen "randoms" (those that the balance devs consider spending their happy time randomly killing dragons and stuff) complaining so much.
Usually, you see "activist" forum posters, PvPers, Youtubers and similar to complain about nerfs and similar.
Average Random Joes do not read the forums, do not read the ESO blog, do not watch videos. They just login, queue for some normal and vet keys and so on.
Well, for the first time even Random Joes are frustrated. Especially magicka players.
Now their class is just non functional any more. It's not enough to flip a couple of skills, re - re - re - re - re "adapt" the 1000th gear set and rotation.
This time basic gameplay blocks have just ceased to function. In my personal case I have used liquid lightning (or splash) since beta. It's even a more foundation class identiy skill than crystal fragments. And... voilà... it's gone. Fi-ni-shed. If you are so stupid to still use it, you are just a waste, you really want to place <generic faceless skill xyz> in its place.
But it's not just that. For the first time in 5 years I had to trash everything (including Maelstrom weapon) and grind a fire set. Because either you go all out NO AoE NO Dot fire spec, or you are just a piece of unmitigated garbage to your team. It's a 180° gameplay change enforced on you.
Sustain? Even worse. I completely hate fire specs, I adapted to heavy attack builds long ago. But now, even an heavy attack at every rotation is not enough any more!
This is not just "felt" by me. I actually run trials 80% of the time, so I am going to use potions, foods and have full healers support on that.
But this weighs heavily on those who do not run trials like me. The Random Jones. Until yesterday they could solo some stuff, now they ceased to.
2 rotations and they are out of magicka and die. Are people meant to buy tripots, golden food and maybe have an healbot follow them to just do random stuff outside of a trial?
The sustain nerf has been way too harsh.
"But you can slot regen enchants blah blah blah". Hell yeah! If only everybody had to. But no, classes that were already prevalent at top DPS, mainly stamina based, don't need any sacrifice. They parsed 100k 2 days ago and they'll parse top DPS tomorrow.
The others, who were behind to begin with (despite having to use melee Zaan set and sit at melee range to get healers buffs), now will be even more behind.
But this matters little to Random Joe.
What matters Random Joe is that now he gets kicked out of veteran dungeons (especially DLC) because now he just passed the thresold between "he's average but OK enough" and "no way, his DPS is way too low".
Actually, this whole post has been created because I precisely read on guild chat of a couple of guys experiencing exactly this.
Random Joe does not have the time or money to always get "no compromise" gold food, so he goes purple and his health (regen food) is too low now.
Meanwhile, the rich raider, goes all out golded, has full healers support everywhere and his DPS is still vastly enough to finish any kind of content (bar vSS timed run).
ZOS has landed low blows to a lot of people in the last 2 years, but this time they are hard hitting the majority, not just the "min-maxers-who-cry-at-losing-100-DPS".
It's like they have two teams:- content production developers, constantly working hard to deliver better and more gorgeous looking new regions, quests etc.
- game balance developers, paid to discourage everyone, to remove fun (who finds fun to double heavy attack at each rotation?), remove class identity, remove flavour.
It's absurd.
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Rave the Histborn✭✭✭✭✭
✭Rave the Histborn wrote: »Is this a GiT GuT thread or a Nerf Sorc ? I don't get it..
The top guys I have seen complaining in game:- DKs
- No pet magsorcs (that is, not me)
- Magcros
The funny thing, I am the guy who is less motivated to complain, because if you look at my numerous videos across the years, I always, always and only used an heavy attack pet + lightning spec and I am the one in game who has been hit less of all (regarding magicka specs). Moreover I mostly do trials so I get from healers the sustain help I need.
I just got annoyed reading a ton of other people complaining all day long both on zone chat and guilds. I am especially afraid about my guilds, because (and you can find references on this forum) I an others have voiced their concerns about our trial guilds not being able to get fresh people any more. There's always a turnover, but this time for two guys who (for any reason) have to leave the game, only 1 joins in.
One of my trial guilds stands since beta and spans across most MMOs, they are not "noobs" and are really social and not "elite standards". But even them have issues recruiting people now.
Look unless you actually have proof of any kind then I'm going to have to call you out on this.
The problems aren't that bad, your guilds aren't quitting in a 2:1 exodus. Stop lying. If you're losing 8k dps out of 20k total then you need to learn to rotate and not rely on DoTs as your sole source of dps.
*Calls people out*
* Fabricates DPS numbers out of thin air *
(which is kind of funny, since some posts above my DPS is in the screenshots)
*Makes opnion lists and posts them as facts
*Refuses to posts screens
Man, it's even funnier coming from the guy that posted "Of course, I am meant to somehow screen capture my guilds chats for hours a day every day, so that I can prove a random internet guy that what my guildies have written is true
"
Hey though, maybe the rules don't apply to you. Tell you what, you go and post your proof first, since people have been asking since your OP and then I'll gladly post pictures for you. Until then the rules apply to everyone including you.0 -
PrayingSeraph✭✭✭✭✭To those quoting the steam charts, Steam charts are not proof, they only cover a segment of the playerbase
Could it be indicative of the other non steam player bases? Perhaps. But we dont know, so stop pretending like you do.
We simply need more data to make such grand claims about the state of ESO.
Edited by PrayingSeraph on October 23, 2019 9:02PM3 -
BlueRaven✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭PrayingSeraph wrote: »To those quoting the steam charts, Steam charts are not proof, they only cover a segment of the playerbase
Could it be indicative of the other non steam player bases? Perhaps. But we dont know, so stop pretending like you do.
We simply need more data to make such grand claims about the state of ESO.
It is possible that there has been some change on steam that suddenly makes those that were playing on it to suddenly stop.
But to be honest outside of that I can’t think of a reason why steams decrease in activity would not be indicative of eso’s population/activity changes in general.
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✭✭✭✭Rave the Histborn wrote: »Rave the Histborn wrote: »Is this a GiT GuT thread or a Nerf Sorc ? I don't get it..
The top guys I have seen complaining in game:- DKs
- No pet magsorcs (that is, not me)
- Magcros
The funny thing, I am the guy who is less motivated to complain, because if you look at my numerous videos across the years, I always, always and only used an heavy attack pet + lightning spec and I am the one in game who has been hit less of all (regarding magicka specs). Moreover I mostly do trials so I get from healers the sustain help I need.
I just got annoyed reading a ton of other people complaining all day long both on zone chat and guilds. I am especially afraid about my guilds, because (and you can find references on this forum) I an others have voiced their concerns about our trial guilds not being able to get fresh people any more. There's always a turnover, but this time for two guys who (for any reason) have to leave the game, only 1 joins in.
One of my trial guilds stands since beta and spans across most MMOs, they are not "noobs" and are really social and not "elite standards". But even them have issues recruiting people now.
Look unless you actually have proof of any kind then I'm going to have to call you out on this.
The problems aren't that bad, your guilds aren't quitting in a 2:1 exodus. Stop lying. If you're losing 8k dps out of 20k total then you need to learn to rotate and not rely on DoTs as your sole source of dps.
*Calls people out*
* Fabricates DPS numbers out of thin air *
(which is kind of funny, since some posts above my DPS is in the screenshots)
*Makes opnion lists and posts them as facts
*Refuses to posts screens
Man, it's even funnier coming from the guy that posted "Of course, I am meant to somehow screen capture my guilds chats for hours a day every day, so that I can prove a random internet guy that what my guildies have written is true"
Hey though, maybe the rules don't apply to you. Tell you what, you go and post your proof first, since people have been asking since your OP and then I'll gladly post pictures for you. Until then the rules apply to everyone including you.
There ARE screenshots in this thread showing complaining, and in zone chats when you play the game, and in guild chats when guilds hold off on content they’d been farming like grass because the changes threw everything on its head. My endgame guild still hasn’t resumed the vSS farm runs, and they’re the “elitists” people keep claiming are happy to do this ever few months. Plot twist, they hate it too.11 -
Vahrokh✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Rave the Histborn wrote: »Rave the Histborn wrote: »Is this a GiT GuT thread or a Nerf Sorc ? I don't get it..
The top guys I have seen complaining in game:- DKs
- No pet magsorcs (that is, not me)
- Magcros
The funny thing, I am the guy who is less motivated to complain, because if you look at my numerous videos across the years, I always, always and only used an heavy attack pet + lightning spec and I am the one in game who has been hit less of all (regarding magicka specs). Moreover I mostly do trials so I get from healers the sustain help I need.
I just got annoyed reading a ton of other people complaining all day long both on zone chat and guilds. I am especially afraid about my guilds, because (and you can find references on this forum) I an others have voiced their concerns about our trial guilds not being able to get fresh people any more. There's always a turnover, but this time for two guys who (for any reason) have to leave the game, only 1 joins in.
One of my trial guilds stands since beta and spans across most MMOs, they are not "noobs" and are really social and not "elite standards". But even them have issues recruiting people now.
Look unless you actually have proof of any kind then I'm going to have to call you out on this.
The problems aren't that bad, your guilds aren't quitting in a 2:1 exodus. Stop lying. If you're losing 8k dps out of 20k total then you need to learn to rotate and not rely on DoTs as your sole source of dps.
*Calls people out*
* Fabricates DPS numbers out of thin air *
(which is kind of funny, since some posts above my DPS is in the screenshots)
*Makes opnion lists and posts them as facts
*Refuses to posts screens
Man, it's even funnier coming from the guy that posted "Of course, I am meant to somehow screen capture my guilds chats for hours a day every day, so that I can prove a random internet guy that what my guildies have written is true"
Hey though, maybe the rules don't apply to you. Tell you what, you go and post your proof first, since people have been asking since your OP and then I'll gladly post pictures for you. Until then the rules apply to everyone including you.
There are screenshots related to the OP all over the pages.
Also, you should log in into the game and listen. It's not hard to find people who are not so happy seeing their sustain butchered.Vaerah, Dark Elf Magicka Sorceress
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Rave the Histborn✭✭✭✭✭
✭Rave the Histborn wrote: »Rave the Histborn wrote: »Is this a GiT GuT thread or a Nerf Sorc ? I don't get it..
The top guys I have seen complaining in game:- DKs
- No pet magsorcs (that is, not me)
- Magcros
The funny thing, I am the guy who is less motivated to complain, because if you look at my numerous videos across the years, I always, always and only used an heavy attack pet + lightning spec and I am the one in game who has been hit less of all (regarding magicka specs). Moreover I mostly do trials so I get from healers the sustain help I need.
I just got annoyed reading a ton of other people complaining all day long both on zone chat and guilds. I am especially afraid about my guilds, because (and you can find references on this forum) I an others have voiced their concerns about our trial guilds not being able to get fresh people any more. There's always a turnover, but this time for two guys who (for any reason) have to leave the game, only 1 joins in.
One of my trial guilds stands since beta and spans across most MMOs, they are not "noobs" and are really social and not "elite standards". But even them have issues recruiting people now.
Look unless you actually have proof of any kind then I'm going to have to call you out on this.
The problems aren't that bad, your guilds aren't quitting in a 2:1 exodus. Stop lying. If you're losing 8k dps out of 20k total then you need to learn to rotate and not rely on DoTs as your sole source of dps.
*Calls people out*
* Fabricates DPS numbers out of thin air *
(which is kind of funny, since some posts above my DPS is in the screenshots)
*Makes opnion lists and posts them as facts
*Refuses to posts screens
Man, it's even funnier coming from the guy that posted "Of course, I am meant to somehow screen capture my guilds chats for hours a day every day, so that I can prove a random internet guy that what my guildies have written is true"
Hey though, maybe the rules don't apply to you. Tell you what, you go and post your proof first, since people have been asking since your OP and then I'll gladly post pictures for you. Until then the rules apply to everyone including you.
There ARE screenshots in this thread showing complaining, and in zone chats when you play the game, and in guild chats when guilds hold off on content they’d been farming like grass because the changes threw everything on its head. My endgame guild still hasn’t resumed the vSS farm runs, and they’re the “elitists” people keep claiming are happy to do this ever few months. Plot twist, they hate it too.
Ok so the claim is "This directly hits medium and low "status" players the most."
1. Medium and low "Status players aren't signing up for vSS hard mode farms. This isn't affecting them as much as it is the high tier players who are all whining about it in the forums. I also wanna point out that the 2 screenshots showing low turn out aren't separate days apart or different guilds, they are from the same guild 6 minutes apart.
2. "My character feels rolled back" is as vague as possible and not damning.
3. Going to take a guess and say this isn't mid or low lvl randoms and is a high lvl trial group trying to min max their damage. This has happened every patch and "X stat is *** for Z class" post always happens. If it doesn't happen you get WoW and everyone in the same exact gear because at that lvl there's only 1 set for each class to have.
4. It doesn't occur every 5 weeks. Hyperbole isn't going to help you.
5. "They never fix anything" and "Just patch every half year" in the same sentence. So we can have the same low IQ people posting the same friends but with new titles, "ZOS WHY YOU PATCH EVERY 6MONTHS? I HAVE TO WAIT 6MONTHS FOR ALL THESE BROKEN THINGS TO BE FIXED? RAGE RAGE RAGE RAGE RAGE." Look when you can screenshot of an opinon that doesn't immediately contradict itself I'll be impressed.
6. Cyro, the lag. Did you expect the memory to fix the servers they have?????? omfg this guy is probably wondering where he can download RAM from the internet and wonders why his integrated graphics card isn't letting him play on max settings. Sorry but this is more sad to see then helping your opinion.
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Tigerseye✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭I use sustain enchants on my Stam Warden (and always have, as I hate running out of resources), so I don't really see why you can't at least try them?
If other classes/builds don't need them (i.e. they both do very high DPS and have adequate sustain), clearly those classes/builds are OP.
The aim, surely, should be to make all (predominently) DPS builds do roughly the same damage, with roughly the same amount of sustain.Edited by Tigerseye on October 23, 2019 10:48PM1 -
Vahrokh✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Rave the Histborn wrote: »Rave the Histborn wrote: »Rave the Histborn wrote: »Is this a GiT GuT thread or a Nerf Sorc ? I don't get it..
The top guys I have seen complaining in game:- DKs
- No pet magsorcs (that is, not me)
- Magcros
The funny thing, I am the guy who is less motivated to complain, because if you look at my numerous videos across the years, I always, always and only used an heavy attack pet + lightning spec and I am the one in game who has been hit less of all (regarding magicka specs). Moreover I mostly do trials so I get from healers the sustain help I need.
I just got annoyed reading a ton of other people complaining all day long both on zone chat and guilds. I am especially afraid about my guilds, because (and you can find references on this forum) I an others have voiced their concerns about our trial guilds not being able to get fresh people any more. There's always a turnover, but this time for two guys who (for any reason) have to leave the game, only 1 joins in.
One of my trial guilds stands since beta and spans across most MMOs, they are not "noobs" and are really social and not "elite standards". But even them have issues recruiting people now.
Look unless you actually have proof of any kind then I'm going to have to call you out on this.
The problems aren't that bad, your guilds aren't quitting in a 2:1 exodus. Stop lying. If you're losing 8k dps out of 20k total then you need to learn to rotate and not rely on DoTs as your sole source of dps.
*Calls people out*
* Fabricates DPS numbers out of thin air *
(which is kind of funny, since some posts above my DPS is in the screenshots)
*Makes opnion lists and posts them as facts
*Refuses to posts screens
Man, it's even funnier coming from the guy that posted "Of course, I am meant to somehow screen capture my guilds chats for hours a day every day, so that I can prove a random internet guy that what my guildies have written is true"
Hey though, maybe the rules don't apply to you. Tell you what, you go and post your proof first, since people have been asking since your OP and then I'll gladly post pictures for you. Until then the rules apply to everyone including you.
There ARE screenshots in this thread showing complaining, and in zone chats when you play the game, and in guild chats when guilds hold off on content they’d been farming like grass because the changes threw everything on its head. My endgame guild still hasn’t resumed the vSS farm runs, and they’re the “elitists” people keep claiming are happy to do this ever few months. Plot twist, they hate it too.
Ok so the claim is "This directly hits medium and low "status" players the most."
1. Medium and low "Status players aren't signing up for vSS hard mode farms. This isn't affecting them as much as it is the high tier players who are all whining about it in the forums. I also wanna point out that the 2 screenshots showing low turn out aren't separate days apart or different guilds, they are from the same guild 6 minutes apart.
2. "My character feels rolled back" is as vague as possible and not damning.
3. Going to take a guess and say this isn't mid or low lvl randoms and is a high lvl trial group trying to min max their damage. This has happened every patch and "X stat is *** for Z class" post always happens. If it doesn't happen you get WoW and everyone in the same exact gear because at that lvl there's only 1 set for each class to have.
4. It doesn't occur every 5 weeks. Hyperbole isn't going to help you.
5. "They never fix anything" and "Just patch every half year" in the same sentence. So we can have the same low IQ people posting the same friends but with new titles, "ZOS WHY YOU PATCH EVERY 6MONTHS? I HAVE TO WAIT 6MONTHS FOR ALL THESE BROKEN THINGS TO BE FIXED? RAGE RAGE RAGE RAGE RAGE." Look when you can screenshot of an opinon that doesn't immediately contradict itself I'll be impressed.
6. Cyro, the lag. Did you expect the memory to fix the servers they have?????? omfg this guy is probably wondering where he can download RAM from the internet and wonders why his integrated graphics card isn't letting him play on max settings. Sorry but this is more sad to see then helping your opinion.
Did you expect people (from 2 guilds not 1) in a trial and random people on various chat to create a professional assessment, including accurate standard deviation statistics and college grade disquisitions?
No, of course people are P!SSED.Edited by Vahrokh on October 23, 2019 11:00PMVaerah, Dark Elf Magicka Sorceress
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Vahrokh✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭I use sustain enchants on my Stam Warden (and always have, as I hate running out of resources), so I don't really see why you can't at least try them?
If other classes/builds don't need them (and still do very high DPS), clearly those classes/builds are OP.
The aim, surely, should be to make all (predominently) DPS builds do roughly the same damage, with roughly the same amount of sustain.
Yeah but we are getting tired of "the aim".
If anything, we are seeing a fairly embarassing lack of aim since Morrowind and actually worsening since Scalebreaker.
It's like they just lost it and now are groping in the dark, flipping stats by ludicruous amounts (-87%, +66% and whatsnot) and hoping for the lucky shoot.
There has to be one day, when someone says: ENOUGH!Vaerah, Dark Elf Magicka Sorceress
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✭✭✭Rave the Histborn wrote: »
Don't call someone out when the proof is in the pudding.
Technically, as the saying goes; "The proof of the pudding is in the eating." (not in the pudding).
In other words, you don't know how good the pudding is (or isn't) until you eat it.
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Shantu✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I've been eating this pudding for 3 years. Over the last year, it's just gone sour. Maybe ZOS can troll YouTube again for a better cook.6 -
Rave the Histborn✭✭✭✭✭
✭Rave the Histborn wrote: »Rave the Histborn wrote: »Rave the Histborn wrote: »Is this a GiT GuT thread or a Nerf Sorc ? I don't get it..
The top guys I have seen complaining in game:- DKs
- No pet magsorcs (that is, not me)
- Magcros
The funny thing, I am the guy who is less motivated to complain, because if you look at my numerous videos across the years, I always, always and only used an heavy attack pet + lightning spec and I am the one in game who has been hit less of all (regarding magicka specs). Moreover I mostly do trials so I get from healers the sustain help I need.
I just got annoyed reading a ton of other people complaining all day long both on zone chat and guilds. I am especially afraid about my guilds, because (and you can find references on this forum) I an others have voiced their concerns about our trial guilds not being able to get fresh people any more. There's always a turnover, but this time for two guys who (for any reason) have to leave the game, only 1 joins in.
One of my trial guilds stands since beta and spans across most MMOs, they are not "noobs" and are really social and not "elite standards". But even them have issues recruiting people now.
Look unless you actually have proof of any kind then I'm going to have to call you out on this.
The problems aren't that bad, your guilds aren't quitting in a 2:1 exodus. Stop lying. If you're losing 8k dps out of 20k total then you need to learn to rotate and not rely on DoTs as your sole source of dps.
*Calls people out*
* Fabricates DPS numbers out of thin air *
(which is kind of funny, since some posts above my DPS is in the screenshots)
*Makes opnion lists and posts them as facts
*Refuses to posts screens
Man, it's even funnier coming from the guy that posted "Of course, I am meant to somehow screen capture my guilds chats for hours a day every day, so that I can prove a random internet guy that what my guildies have written is true"
Hey though, maybe the rules don't apply to you. Tell you what, you go and post your proof first, since people have been asking since your OP and then I'll gladly post pictures for you. Until then the rules apply to everyone including you.
There ARE screenshots in this thread showing complaining, and in zone chats when you play the game, and in guild chats when guilds hold off on content they’d been farming like grass because the changes threw everything on its head. My endgame guild still hasn’t resumed the vSS farm runs, and they’re the “elitists” people keep claiming are happy to do this ever few months. Plot twist, they hate it too.
Ok so the claim is "This directly hits medium and low "status" players the most."
1. Medium and low "Status players aren't signing up for vSS hard mode farms. This isn't affecting them as much as it is the high tier players who are all whining about it in the forums. I also wanna point out that the 2 screenshots showing low turn out aren't separate days apart or different guilds, they are from the same guild 6 minutes apart.
2. "My character feels rolled back" is as vague as possible and not damning.
3. Going to take a guess and say this isn't mid or low lvl randoms and is a high lvl trial group trying to min max their damage. This has happened every patch and "X stat is *** for Z class" post always happens. If it doesn't happen you get WoW and everyone in the same exact gear because at that lvl there's only 1 set for each class to have.
4. It doesn't occur every 5 weeks. Hyperbole isn't going to help you.
5. "They never fix anything" and "Just patch every half year" in the same sentence. So we can have the same low IQ people posting the same friends but with new titles, "ZOS WHY YOU PATCH EVERY 6MONTHS? I HAVE TO WAIT 6MONTHS FOR ALL THESE BROKEN THINGS TO BE FIXED? RAGE RAGE RAGE RAGE RAGE." Look when you can screenshot of an opinon that doesn't immediately contradict itself I'll be impressed.
6. Cyro, the lag. Did you expect the memory to fix the servers they have?????? omfg this guy is probably wondering where he can download RAM from the internet and wonders why his integrated graphics card isn't letting him play on max settings. Sorry but this is more sad to see then helping your opinion.
Did you expect people (from 2 guilds not 1) in a trial and random people on various chat to create a professional assessment, including accurate standard deviation statistics and college grade disquisitions?
No, of course people are P!SSED.
No, I expected the screenshots to support your original post that it was affecting mid and lower lvl players. What I got was players able to farm vSS complaining about their dps losses and some of the most luke warm takes I think I ever could have seen about it. Sheesh throw in a "REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE" about Cyrodiil lag and you've got every hysterical post patch post that has ever happened.0 -
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✭✭✭✭You’re a white knight who’ll find any tiny ridiculous reason to shoot down anyone who’s reasonable ticked off by these constant meta tornados.
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✭✭✭Wow. I logged in for the first time since the update and logged back out 15 min later. If I described this update in one word the word would be "boring". I spent my 15 min running around ales farm trying to kill the group. Players on both sides of the fight were not dying.
Don't think I will be around to see the real vision Zeni had but I'm sure I would be disappointed if I did.
If you want a friend, get a dog.
AW Rank: Grand Warlord 1 ( level 49)4 -
deepseamk20b14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭Well, I can say one thing. The community is very divided, more so than I remember it ever being. I’m not happy about the nerfs but at the same time am managing and changing my builds and am not as upset as many others. I can deal with it. I made post about why people were complaining and some people had good discussion points, except for this one person, and I at least understand people’s frustrations better. I’m not sure how ZoS is going to make both sides happen, but honestly first thing is ignore the top AND bottom 5% of players. Between all of them is the normal, average player. We get tossed back and forth as ZoS caters to one side or the other.
In the mean time, try and adapt or stop playing. No point losing sleep over a video game, no matter how much time you’ve put into it. There will always be another game. If ZoS is smart, they’ll fix it and people won’t leave in droves.Hey everyone! Look! It's a signature!3 -
Wayshuba✭✭✭✭✭PrayingSeraph wrote: »To those quoting the steam charts, Steam charts are not proof, they only cover a segment of the playerbase
Could it be indicative of the other non steam player bases? Perhaps. But we dont know, so stop pretending like you do.
We simply need more data to make such grand claims about the state of ESO.PrayingSeraph wrote: »To those quoting the steam charts, Steam charts are not proof, they only cover a segment of the playerbase
Could it be indicative of the other non steam player bases? Perhaps. But we dont know, so stop pretending like you do.
We simply need more data to make such grand claims about the state of ESO.
Yes, they cover a segment but they usually are pretty spot on with trends as well. Let's say only 20% of the player base is on Steam. Do you really believe it is only Steam users trending off by that much?
As for other data points. Here are four I have seen:
1.) Usually noticeably busy areas of the game, like the Vivec City crafting area have been noticeably lighter in population since the U24 PTS Patch Notes were released.
2.) While there are many guild in the game and some other in this thread seem to magically be in ones that haven't suffered loss, all of the guilds I am in (including one very well known one personally featured by ZoS) have had a very marked decline in the number of active logins.
3.) When CWC and Murkmire released, those zones were absolutely packed with players on launch. Dragonhold's Southern Elsweyr isn't even busy, never mind packed.
4.) I have played quite a few MMOs in the past over many years. A good indicator of trouble is when developers start writing articles defending decisions which are having a largely negative effect on the playerbase. ESO did it's first one defending the frequent combat changes. Unless ESO is the one exception, this is always a sign that even the company is seeing the numbers drop off and trying to stave it off. I saw it in GW2, SWTOR and LOTRO and the after effect was ALWAYS the same - the player base experienced a large drop off.
There are several data points and referenced trends to be able to see well beyond just the Steam Charts. You can defend it all you want, but someone just pointing to a few guilds they are in (without screenshots of what their actives were before this patch and what they are after), is just noise.
There are too many trends aligning at this point to think things are okay in ESO land. This combat team has done a lot of damage up to this point and I don't think ZoS is going to do anything to reign it in. They are going to ride with it and internalize some other reason, outside reality, why they are experiencing the decline in the player base they are.Edited by Wayshuba on October 24, 2019 12:41AM5 -
Wayshuba✭✭✭✭✭Rave the Histborn wrote: »
If you can't adapt don't play. This isn't Skyrim online, this is an MMO. Wild patches, new sets being better then old ones, new metas are all part of the game. I mean if you want a game where everyone is on the same playing field because there's limited armor sets then go play WoW classic, that would more then fit your niche. I've spent more recently min maxing pvp sets then I have changing metas but I'm also adaptable and I've played this game for more then 5min.
You've been here since Jan 2018, almost a year less than I have.
No one has trouble adapting who has played MMOs before. No one.
But people are worn out adapting every three months.
As for this wild swings being part of the game... I have played several MMOs over fairly long periods of time. None... not a single one of them... was upending the meta completely every three months. Not LOTRO, not SWTOR, not GW2, not WoW, not TSW.... only ESO has ever done these wild swings every three months.
As for you guilds not losing members... neither have any of mine. Just a heck of a lot less logged in actively.
Seems a lot of people have been noticing the same phenomenon in their guilds. You seem to be the one exception. So unless you can post screens of the before and after patch numbers, I am going to assume that it is probably not the case.5 -
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✭✭I'm one of those average Joes (Josephina in my case) who began to do progression content a year ago. Each patch something gets nerfed that slaps me back down from my progression. Oh DPS not so good anymore, well at least I can still heal and progress. Oh crap, healing springs and class heals all nerfed now. Whelp, I can still tank. Oh **** now sustain has taken a sizable hit, and I don't want the pugs complaining when I can't sustain on my tank (because there's no one to group with in my guild anymore because people are either doing housing, crafting, or questing because group content is so much harder now and they just don't anymore, or they quit, so now I have no characters to do progression with. We start to progress, then get whacked down, we try to recover, only to get wacked down again next update, ok lets try to recover again and progress, nope slapped back down yet again. I'm out for awhile. See ya'll later if and when they fix some of this crap so I can do progression again.HEARTHLIGHT - A guild for housing enthusiasts! Contact @Kesstryl in-game to join.6 -
PrayingSeraph✭✭✭✭✭PrayingSeraph wrote: »To those quoting the steam charts, Steam charts are not proof, they only cover a segment of the playerbase
Could it be indicative of the other non steam player bases? Perhaps. But we dont know, so stop pretending like you do.
We simply need more data to make such grand claims about the state of ESO.PrayingSeraph wrote: »To those quoting the steam charts, Steam charts are not proof, they only cover a segment of the playerbase
Could it be indicative of the other non steam player bases? Perhaps. But we dont know, so stop pretending like you do.
We simply need more data to make such grand claims about the state of ESO.
Yes, they cover a segment but they usually are pretty spot on with trends as well. Let's say only 20% of the player base is on Steam. Do you really believe it is only Steam users trending off by that much?
As for other data points. Here are four I have seen:
1.) Usually noticeably busy areas of the game, like the Vivec City crafting area have been noticeably lighter in population since the U24 PTS Patch Notes were released.
2.) While there are many guild in the game and some other in this thread seem to magically be in ones that haven't suffered loss, all of the guilds I am in (including one very well known one personally featured by ZoS) have had a very marked decline in the number of active logins.
3.) When CWC and Murkmire released, those zones were absolutely packed with players on launch. Dragonhold's Southern Elsweyr isn't even busy, never mind packed.
4.) I have played quite a few MMOs in the past over many years. A good indicator of trouble is when developers start writing articles defending decisions which are having a largely negative effect on the playerbase. ESO did it's first one defending the frequent combat changes. Unless ESO is the one exception, this is always a sign that even the company is seeing the numbers drop off and trying to stave it off. I saw it in GW2, SWTOR and LOTRO and the after effect was ALWAYS the same - the player base experienced a large drop off.
There are several data points and referenced trends to be able to see well beyond just the Steam Charts. You can defend it all you want, but someone just pointing to a few guilds they are in (without screenshots of what their actives were before this patch and what they are after), is just noise.
There are too many trends aligning at this point to think things are okay in ESO land. This combat team has done a lot of damage up to this point and I don't think ZoS is going to do anything to reign it in. They are going to ride with it and internalize some other reason, outside reality, why they are experiencing the decline in the player base they are.
So has anyone provided proof from previous years of Steam being indicative of overall player base trends? Otherwise we cant say how reliable steam charts are. Regardless of that, people here are talking like their claims of ESO dying are fact, without proving it. The ONLY proof that has been presented is that ESO is dying on Steam. That's it. Steam charts do not prove that the game is dying outside of steam. Perhaps the game is dying outside steam, but steam charts are not proof of that
Also in regards to the rest of your comment, none of it was data. It was entirely anecdotal. I'm on Xbox NA and have not noticed any drop over the year. But this too is anecdotal, not data.
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Wayshuba✭✭✭✭✭PrayingSeraph wrote: »So has anyone provided proof from previous years of Steam being indicative of overall player base trends? Otherwise we cant say how reliable steam charts are. Regardless of that, people here are talking like their claims of ESO dying are fact, without proving it. The ONLY proof that has been presented is that ESO is dying on Steam. That's it. Steam charts do not prove that the game is dying outside of steam. Perhaps the game is dying outside steam, but steam charts are not proof of that
Also in regards to the rest of your comment, none of it was data. It was entirely anecdotal. I'm on Xbox NA and have not noticed any drop over the year. But this too is anecdotal, not data.
Just to clarify, no where have I ever once stated the game was dying. Not once ever. However, it has experienced a decline as a result of these whacked out changes every three months. Even if the Steam charts are not indicative of the trends of the player base as a whole, Steam users themselves have dropped off by a large margin.
No one except ZoS knows the percentage of the PC player base that Steam makes up. It could be large or it could be small. Furthermore, while anecdotal evidence is not "hard" data, it is still a reference point. It has been used by marketers for decades because it does provide evidence of trends - either emerging or regressing.
While one may not know the "hard" numbers for how many chicken sandwiches Popeyes is actually selling, the anecdotal evidence that there locations are constantly selling out across the nation provides enough evidence that they are probably doing very well with them. That can be gleaned without seeing the "hard" evidence.
Likewise, when you used to log in and see Vivec City crafting area packed with people and now you don't... when you used to see 60-70 members of a guild logged in nightly and now you see 35-40.... when CWC was so packed it was impossible to find mobs to kill or you could run through delves and not see a single mob but now you go in the delves in Southern Elsweyr and, if your lucky, you might see one or two other people... well, you get the point. You may not have "hard" data, but recurring trends in observation can produce similar trend results.3 -
GreatGildersleeve✭✭✭✭Rave the Histborn wrote: »2. "My character feels rolled back" is as vague as possible and not damning.
i don’t think you realize how important this one item alone is. ESO survives on Joe Gamer and if Joe Gamer is feeling ‘bad’ or ‘dissatisfied’ or whatever... what exactly is their motivation to continue to play?9 -
Drako_Ei✭✭✭✭✭Everything has been nerfed except most overpowered DLC sets...
Because everyone knows that liqud lightning was so much gamebreaking!
What a coincidence! Next in the order to nerf - healing, CPs - remember my words!
Liquid lightning was overperforming....
because stamcros were using it to procc lokkestiiz1 -
Grandma✭✭✭✭✭zos needs to raise the dps floor, not lower the dps ceiling. lowering the dps ceiling historically has done nothing to the top tier players [still fluctuating around 90k no matter what since elsweyr] and only hurt newer or lower level players.
the only way I could think of them increasing the damage floor would be to nerf light attack weaving or entirely remove it, which would probably *** off a lot of people and frankly not even be possible with how skills work now designed around it. Maybe if LA's didn't do 9k+ dps. I'm not really sure how else they could make new players feel welcome and not like they deserve to constantly get spit and stepped on by the devs, but not boost the end gamers dps even more.GH / 3/04/2021 / Elemental Catalyst Necromancer7 -
Rave the Histborn✭✭✭✭✭
✭You’re a white knight who’ll find any tiny ridiculous reason to shoot down anyone who’s reasonable ticked off by these constant meta tornados.
Another one for the Ignore list
Is there an ignore list on the forums? XD
If I'm a white knight I guess that makes you a troll. Instead of attacking me and blocking me after like a coward maybe refute my points.
The base game isn't reacting like this, your average player is in Southern Elsweyrn loving it. They don't understand the dot meta and if you called it that they'd have no clue what you're talking about specifically. Get an f'ing grip.0 -
Rave the Histborn✭✭✭✭✭
✭zos needs to raise the dps floor, not lower the dps ceiling. lowering the dps ceiling historically has done nothing to the top tier players [still fluctuating around 90k no matter what since elsweyr] and only hurt newer or lower level players.
the only way I could think of them increasing the damage floor would be to nerf light attack weaving or entirely remove it, which would probably *** off a lot of people and frankly not even be possible with how skills work now designed around it. Maybe if LA's didn't do 9k+ dps. I'm not really sure how else they could make new players feel welcome and not like they deserve to constantly get spit and stepped on by the devs, but not boost the end gamers dps even more.
You don't balance to the lowest player, you balance to the highest level player and that's what this nerf does. Lower level players aren't going to see themselves affected by this to the degree your highest lvl dps are.1 -
Wayshuba✭✭✭✭✭Rave the Histborn wrote: »The base game isn't reacting like this, your average player is in Southern Elsweyrn loving it. They don't understand the dot meta and if you called it that they'd have no clue what you're talking about specifically. Get an f'ing grip.
Bologna. Both factual and anecdotal evidence is the direct opposite of what you are saying. Put data points up - either factual or anecdotal to back this point. There is no way this is what you say. CWC and Murkmire when they launched. Southern Elsweyr in no where even close to this. Heck, if you can even get a dozen players on a dragon you doing good.
You keep telling other to produce evidence or you discount them. Then make claims without any evidence to back your claim, even when evidence is given, you dismiss it with hyperbola and no facts that are stated as facts.
So, produce evidence to show that the average amount of players are in Southern Elsweyr - because the evidence, both factual and anecdotal, is showing the exact opposite of your claims.8
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