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Joxer61✭✭✭✭✭1) No I am not a forum's Cassandra ; I don't complain every patch ; so easy answer
.... when I tell everyone, is everyone I meet, I hear, I read ; complains on guild chat; zone chat, Discord, vocal conversations, are even worse than what you see on forums ; it's only the visible part of the Iceberg here.
Every day (and it's not an hyperbole), I receive news / message from more and more players, friends "I stop this game" ; "Sorry I couldn't join in raid anymore, this patch just killed the will" ; "I go back to WoW" etc ; raiding community is dying. That is a fact. I am playing since the beta ; I never saw such a situation.
2) Balanced game? LMAO ; ppl will play necro for those who don't stop ; we were happy to get some others classes in raid, some magicka dds.... ppl will abandon this variety. It was some End game guilds choice to go full necro but at least you had other choices ; not anymore.
3) Wall of Element : 4900 magicka.... nerfing the sustain by crazy numbers, such a poor way ; how will a tank manage it? Oh perhaps a tank should use only one sword and one shield.
4) that is nice to see people happy with the patch ; it will be nice to know their reasons, perhaps we could change our minds.
5) perhaps we are wrong ; but what I am speaking about here, it's the despite of Zos (so despising yes, sorry I am not english native) or at least how it feels for the players, and the silence. How can a company ignore so much negative flow? Yes, I see the game and the community I love are dying, and I feel sad. And I have now zero reason to give to people to convince them to stay. Everybody (everybody I KNOW) is depressed ; that is not the feeling we should have with a new patch.
Um...buh bye? I bolded your option but can I have all your friends and yours stuffs?0 -
Joxer61✭✭✭✭✭nordmarian wrote: »No, u can't have someone stuff and especially someone friends. Have a heart.
yea...good point...my bad.
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Tigerseye✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Nothing seems to have changed for me.
Probably because I was never playing the meta (in terms of class, or skills) and was already enchanted for resource recovery.Edited by Tigerseye on October 23, 2019 11:19AM1 -
Tigerseye✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭gamergirldk wrote: »yeah skill cost is way to high now, can hardly keep sustain on my toons now
You could try enchanting for sustain?1 -
Tigerseye✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭use your brain or use regen glyph
Yeah, it's pretty obvious this is an attempt to level the playing field and to balance (which needed doing).
If people want sustain, they will just have to enchant for it and put up with each attack doing less damage.
If they do that and still can't sustain, to a reasonable extent, then of course they would then have every right to complain.0 -
Tigerseye✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Grianasteri wrote: »The patch is a very mixed bag, there is good and bad.
But, surely no one can be OK with the increased costs that have smashed sustain on many builds and classes?
Can anyone explain how that is positive, or how its supposed to increase fun? Its a game, people want to use sparkly skills, its fun.
More experienced players will compensate by altering their build and including heavy attacks etc. But for the average casual gamer or new player, who just wants to have fun, use sparkly magic etc, this is going to hit them hard... which sadly seems to be an issue across several patches now.
I think it's supposed to be a trade-off - a choice.
You can choose to build and enchant for high damage, but you then have to accept that you will run out of sustain to pay for it.
If you enjoy keeping up a rotation, on long fights, you just have to accept that you will need to enchant for it and therefore, do less damage per attack.
When you think about it, it would be ridiculous to let people have both automatic sustain and very high damage.
Where is the trade off, then?
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Tigerseye✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭I think the nerf to skills is okay but increasing the cost was not the right way to go about reducing the players damage in this game tbh.
Maybe.
But, maybe they thought encouraging people to enchant for sustain/resource recovery would be less controversial than just nerfing the raw numbers of certain classes/builds/skills?
Gives an illusion of choice, at least.
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Daedric_NB_187✭✭✭✭✭starkerealm wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »Absolutely everyone is complaining about that patch ; all classes of players, from casual to endgame, pve & pvp.
Zos is quite active on the forum, as we can see by the numerous mods actions.
So why Zos? Are you despiting so much your players that you think that those who actually play this game understand nothing to your great picture? Are you despiting so much your players that you just absolutely don't care about the fact you're breaking all the fun? Are you not seeing the complains everywhere? How can you ignore so much your customers??
I really cannot understand.
And yes, one more post ; but they still not answer. Sometimes delete or close the threat ; but not answer.
The idea that the devs don't play their own game is ****ing hilarious to me. Granted, my perspective may be a bit warped, because I've actually met them, and run content in game with a few. But still.
That's explains why your opinon is so biased. You'd do them a better service by telling them the truth than warping your opinion to meet your "friends" needs. Bad is bad and if they get praise for bad work, then all that is getting done is polishing a turd.
Nah, my opinion is "biased" because I actually enjoy the game.
I also know some members of the team. I also know, for a fact, that they play.
Now., I realize this may be hard to grasp, but Rich, Finn, and Gina are genuinely likeable people in person.
My girlfriend is a great person who I like bvery much. But a horrible sys admin. Your point being? Just because you like someone or they are the greatest person since Mother Theresa doesn't mean they aren't *** at their jobs.5 -
Tigerseye✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Demoralizing. That's what this patch is.
Three patches in a row of blundering mistakes with a combat team that comes up with changes that seem like they rolled a six sided die to determine them.
And the worst part is that the combat team does not care about the common player. They said so, clearly. They wanted to lower the top end dps and did not care about how it effected the rest of the people playing the game. And compound that with that the combat team does not even do PvE content. (Can you believe that? The team that comes up with the rules for combat hates doing PvE. How were these guys put in charge of combat?)
So now we will have less people participating in end game activities. And we have people less excited about the game, just when some new games are coming on the market.
And what are the players left with, to redo their equipment to the new meta in the hopes that they will do 20%-25% less damage the they did before, if they are lucky. Yippee.
Decent games balance damage (and everything else) across classes.
You may have enjoyed a game that didn't, as you made it work to your advantage, but most people (who play other games that do) will have viewed it as ridiculous.0 -
Karmen✭✭✭✭I think this patch is focusing on nerfing op skills, which was used by op players.
Now, OP players are angry, and the rest are happy.
Edited by Karmen on October 23, 2019 12:04PMI am Carmen.
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Cirantille✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭No, I don't. Even without adjusting anything I'm fine. If you care so much about some drop in DPS, why not adjust? Smh
The problem is sustain is bad.
You could try to adjust dps but you will make already bad sustain even worse.
If you try to adjust sustain then the crappy dps will be even crappier.
So either do lots of heavy attack and run around with bad sustain + dps.
Or again run around because you can't kill due to bad dps with meh sustain.
This problem needs to be adressed and at least needs to be alleviated in my opinion.
And disclaimer: I am not even and endgame hardcore player.1 -
deleted008293✭✭✭✭That is one good point. Havent noticed the changes as I havent played in end game since a while. But all I can say is that lower dps will only have a lot of advantages in the wrong run. People will no longer goes through burn mechanics and will be forced to play strategic and play the actual mechanics. With PvE content I can be only happy if during a quest I won't kill an important enemy NPC before he finish his mechanic cards and his dialogue cards.0
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✭✭✭I play chars till 50 and then delete them and start all over. Endgame is overrated.2 -
beadabow✭✭✭Goregrinder wrote: »absolutely everyone is NOT complaining about the patch. I can say that because "I" am not complaining about the patch. And I am part of the set of "everyone". In the future, please make some accommodation in your sweeping generalizations for people that may not feel the same way you do.
You're not mostly wrong. Lots of people ARE complaining about the patch. Just not absolutely everyone.
Yeah, I don't know where OP is getting off including me but count me out of that group. I am happy the spammy swing and dot meta is over. Now we have an opportunity to find other builds to run, which is the most fun things about the game imo.
I wholeheartedly agree with you! I think theory crafting is my favorite aspect of the game as a whole, and for that reason, I don't mind the changes so much. I am not being facetious. It's the honest truth.
Edit: For Grammar and UsageEdited by beadabow on October 23, 2019 12:16PM2 -
Vahrokh✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭use your brain or use regen glyph
Yeah, it's pretty obvious this is an attempt to level the playing field and to balance (which needed doing).
If people want sustain, they will just have to enchant for it and put up with each attack doing less damage.
If they do that and still can't sustain, to a reasonable extent, then of course they would then have every right to complain.
Too bad the classes and specs that already dominated, don't need to do that. So we just widen the gap we already had.Vaerah, Dark Elf Magicka Sorceress
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fgoron2000✭✭✭✭I only hope that the current maintenance doesn't undo some of the small performance gains that they'd accomplished so far with U24. I've actually seen a small improvement with some (but not all) shorter load screens and zoning, at least on PC/NA
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starkerealm✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I think this patch is focusing on nerfing op skills, which was used by op players.
Now, OP players are angry, and the rest are happy.
Or, at the very least, apathetic. That said, there are some nice toys mixed in with the changes.
That said, the DoT nerf did hit pretty hard across the board. This would be more of an issue if DoTs hadn't just been buffed to the gills a couple months ago. So it creates an awkward situation, where DoTs are up from where they started the year (most of them, anyway), but people are freaking out, because they just took a hit.1 -
JonnytheKing✭✭✭✭✭ZOS_GregoryV wrote: »Greetings all,
After removing a few posts for baiting, we must remind everyone that all posts should be kept civil and constructive. Having conflicting opinions and views, and even debates, is completely fine. However, attacking one another is not acceptable. Please be sure that from here on all posts are kept within the guidelines of the rules we have in place. If there may be any questions in regards to those rules, please feel free to view them here.
Thank you for your understanding,
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Tigerseye✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭use your brain or use regen glyph
Yeah, it's pretty obvious this is an attempt to level the playing field and to balance (which needed doing).
If people want sustain, they will just have to enchant for it and put up with each attack doing less damage.
If they do that and still can't sustain, to a reasonable extent, then of course they would then have every right to complain.
Too bad the classes and specs that already dominated, don't need to do that. So we just widen the gap we already had.
Well, if that is the case, then that is obviously bad.0 -
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