So magplars got a nerf this time around?

Joy_Division · October 2019

WillhelmBlack wrote: »

Watch this:

https://youtu.be/icKAklcUawA

2 main points.

1. You can allocate CP better now for more overall damage.
2. With 2H ultimate you will have obscene damage with Sweeps.

You do realize you'll tank your Reflective Light, Crescent Sweep, Solar Barrage, Bats, Entropy, etc., damage by following the advice in the video?

buttaface · October 2019

Lady_Linux wrote: »

The topic is templar jabby jabby skills not processing as dot even for magicka and you're going on about ultimate skills....Please stay on topic.

The topic, as expressed in your own thread title, is questioning whether Templars got a nerf. The claim/question is based on -one- monster set not triggering off of jabs any more. As others have plainly and correctly told you, there was no nerf, but rather a change in how the damage works, which may require some reallocation of CP.

As such, as the OP post reflects -in writing-, you are apparently wrongfully banging the report button on posts that are fairly on topic as per your own THREAD TITLE, which is very broad. Don't want broad comments in your thread? Don't make such a broad thread title.

Templars are still FOTM by quite a ways, that hasn't changed in this patch. IMO Skoria (and some other things) should never have been triggering off of jabs to begin with, and the removal of the DOT nature of the skill was way overdue.

Vajrak · October 2019

The change is actually a rather large buff to Magplar, PvE and PvP. Yes, it makes Valkyn Skoria a bit more negligible as a set -- big deal. Use Grothdarr, damage issue solved. Use Grundwulf, sustain issues solved.

Move your points OUT of Thaum and into Master-at-Arms (MaA).

This is a very large buff hidden as a seeming nerf.

Burning Light is Direct Damage.
Sweeps is Direct Damage now.
First hit of Sun fire and morphs is Direct Damage.
First hit of Blazing Spear is Direct Damage.
The pop on Unstable Wall is Direct Damage.
Enchantment proc is...Direct Damage! Where this may need some examination is in evaluation of enchants, as you may get much better results with something other than a Flame Enchant on your front bar now, I'm actually going to shift back to a Shock Enchant I think, because Concussion is...Direct Damage. That burning effect and bonus can be left to the DK's now, and Templar can focus on the ra-tat-tat-tat with Direct Damage Sweeps and fill-ins.

kathandira · October 2019

Valkyn_Eltrys wrote: »

Sweeps do not even proc Scathing Mage or Nerien'eth.

It will with the change coming up. Since it is direct damage, it should apply to:

When you deal direct Critical Damage, you have a 20% chance to increase your Spell Damage by 516. This effect can occur once every 6 seconds.

Essavias · October 2019

Joy_Division wrote: »

WillhelmBlack wrote: »

Watch this:

https://youtu.be/icKAklcUawA

2 main points.

1. You can allocate CP better now for more overall damage.
2. With 2H ultimate you will have obscene damage with Sweeps.

You do realize you'll tank your Reflective Light, Crescent Sweep, Solar Barrage, Bats, Entropy, etc., damage by following the advice in the video?

It's repeated about 17 times during the video, that it's not an optimized CP distribution.

Thalmor-Nordmaster · October 2019

In summation no nerf and the Chain you speak of with jabs to skoria to bsw still works but is not as consistent. I would not recommend relying on jabs for activation of BSW or VS at this point. Other skills seem to work better to do what jabs used to do for you.

Much nicer sets out in the wild to pick from. As per a sage 8 percent triggering a 15 percent is risky. Changes yes nerf no. You are always welcome to stop by the cave and test on the DPS army assembled there.

Casterial · October 2019

Skoria still procs, in the future it won't.

I think Magplars moved back down to Tier C, Stamplars about same.

MagNB, Magden climbed up

svartorn · October 2019

Sigh.

Time to throw more gold gear in the bank and rethink my set.

Again.

Casterial · October 2019

svartorn wrote: »

Sigh.

Time to throw more gold gear in the bank and rethink my set.

Again.

Every 2 to 3 months ESO shifts meta so hard.

Drdeath20 · October 2019

Well we dont know for sure if jabs does or does not stil proc skoria. The natch pote's says some item sets will still be erroneously trearing jabs like a DoT

Thalmor-Nordmaster · October 2019

I tested and jabs still procs and as Casterial noted in the future it will not. Other skills will though. And as Templars we have learned to never rely on any one thing working. I am surprised that we have been allowed out of our house. It's like here are your keys, your shoes and your drivers license now get out of the kitchen your sammish services are no longer needed.

Casterial · October 2019

Thalmor-Nordmaster wrote: »

I tested and jabs still procs and as Casterial noted in the future it will not. Other skills will though. And as Templars we have learned to never rely on any one thing working. I am surprised that we have been allowed out of our house. It's like here are your keys, your shoes and your drivers license now get out of the kitchen your sammish services are no longer needed.

Once every 2.5 years Templar gets a month to shine then gets nerfed down. When people complain that Templar was strong I was like .. "Templar has been bad and in the same exact build for 2 almost 3 years now..." Looks like we're back to the same build now.

The last time I loved magplar was back when blazing spear had a stun, after that it was them gutting the house and saying block and run BOL.

Stamplar was where I went, but Stamplar is like almost down to 3 class skills POTL, Rune, Purge... jabs might be bad this patch need more testing.

Vapirko · October 2019

WillhelmBlack wrote: »

Suit yourself lol

You’ll also be missing out on the off exploiter passive if you dump into direct though. I think if Magplars want to use a 2H for the ult and miss out on the other passives that’s fine.

Hallothiel · October 2019

WillhelmBlack wrote: »

Essavias wrote: »

Lady_Linux wrote: »

2H ult is not appropriate for a magplar ie non-sequitor

-snip-

A direct damage attack makes sense for a stamina morph but not for a magicka morph

1. Onslaught is appropriate for a PvP Magplar for quite a while now.
2. That is your opinion.

I wouldn't bother. I linked a video explaining all and OP refuses to watch for some bizarre reason.

Waste of breath/time.

Not necessarily bizarre. I personally can’t stand videos like that - do not find it suits my way of learning - am old school so much prefer something I can read through at my own pace, flip back if necessary, and refer to again if want.

Just can’t be doing with video ‘learning’.

So be a tad more tolerant 😉🙂

Grianasteri · October 2019

Lady_Linux wrote: »

Kadoozy wrote: »

If you are going to be in jab range, why not just use grothdar of zaan instead? It's better dps.

Zaan is single target only. Great for bosses, not so good for hordes in vet dungeons.

Grothdar is all that is left. It does less damage and ticks every 10 seconds rather than 5. Compared to skoria it's pretty weak but all that is left.

I have read the patch notes re changes to stabby jabby pokey, but not used it yet since changes... as far as I can glean, the changes seem reasonable.

I love both Grothdar and Skoria, for different reasons. But the idea that Grothdar is weak seems objectively incorrect.

Id add, I have NEVER relied on Skoria to proc bsw, its really not a thing for most people, and I think this thread is tentatively showing you that.

Grothdar, per your stated stats, 10% chance from any damage dealt. 9k damage to everything within 8m, every 10 seconds.
Skoria, per your stated stats, 8% chance from dot damage only. 9k single target, 4k aoe within 5m of original target, every 5 seconds...

I have used both extensively and can get each to proc fairly consistently, the difference in proc time feels negligible, although its anecdotal I have not noticed there being a significant difference. The key difference is if one wishes to fight at range or up in the enemies face. Thats the deciding factor for me and how I mainly choose between them.

Having had some of my own builds required large scale change due to patches recently, I do sympathise. But Grothdar is ace and the issue you are highlighting can be worked around fairly easily.

Essavias · October 2019

Hallothiel wrote: »

Not necessarily bizarre. I personally can’t stand videos like that - do not find it suits my way of learning - am old school so much prefer something I can read through at my own pace, flip back if necessary, and refer to again if want.

Just can’t be doing with video ‘learning’.

So be a tad more tolerant 😉🙂

It's a 5 minute vid, that can be summarized in one sentence, for crying out loud, not a structural analysis of "War and peace".
But if one can't stand the format - they're more then welcome to find a different source instead of taking the "imma not gonna see it, so its probably bs" approach.

Neoauspex · October 2019

Does sweeps proc Mechanical Acuity on live?

Thalmor-Nordmaster · October 2019

I can check if I can find my old set BRB. Also going to get a beer

yes it procs on live 21-25% proc chance it seems. My crit was 79-80 percent.

buttaface · October 2019

Casterial wrote: »

Once every 2.5 years Templar gets a month to shine then gets nerfed down.

What a crock. Templar has never ever been bad in any aspect of this game or anywhere near the bottom of the class hierarchy, unless it was before I started playing in 2017. Since then, Templars have ranged from good to flat out OP, as in back in the old empowered dark flare javelin days. Always good in every aspect of the game, unlike several other classes. Now FOTM and were -not- nerfed at all in this latest patch.

Gnortranermara · October 2019

WillhelmBlack wrote: »

Watch this:

https://youtu.be/icKAklcUawA

2 main points.

1. You can allocate CP better now for more overall damage.
2. With 2H ultimate you will have obscene damage with Sweeps.

That "test" was pointless and proves nothing. His CP allocation in the second trial clearly benefited from all those points he threw into Spell Erosion.The guy should've just bumped Master at Arms up to 81 for a fair comparison.

Even then, he only looked at the damage of a single jab. That's not a reliable proxy for overall DPS.

Canned_Apples · October 2019

Magplars are still top tier, but I've noticed a sudden resurgence of sorcs. The buffed up, and oped streak, and the heal that heals for as much as the templar burst healm but costs less, seems to have attracted a lot of d-swingers back.

Sorcs basically have two burst heals now. The matriarch and hardened ward- yes, hardened ward counts as one, at least according to the dev notes when they buffed it.

Lady_Linux · October 2019

https://youtu.be/JfRKsA4niFo

Ysbriel · October 2019

Its not even a nerf.

Malmai · October 2019

Lady_Linux wrote: »

Essavias wrote: »

Lady_Linux wrote: »

It makes no sense for a magplar to use a monster set that processes off of direct damage for a stamplar that makes sense but not for a magplar

Also this means Burning Spell weave will be less effective as well when paired with valkyn on a magplar since the jabby jabby will not process valkyn, and valkyn wont process burning spell weave as often either.

Then don't use it. There's a dozen more monster sets that you can use on magplar, be it pve or pvp.

Adjust.

This isnt about adjusting or not adjusting. It's a plain observation of observable facts

And so far i got two off topic people going on about 2h weapns and ultimates when the topic is clearly magplar nerf to jabby jabby..

So what do you want to hear? They aint reverting bcs of this thread, end of story.

Casul · October 2019

I was under the impression that ZoS wanted to stop proc sets from activating other set effects. So if VS is proccing BSW then by their standard that should be changed.