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Medium armor passive changes? (PvP)
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medium armor is so weak in pvp atm, maybe replace the sneak passive with phys penetration like light armor has? What are some of your ideas to buff medium armor?
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KillsAllElves✭✭✭✭✭medium armor is so weak in pvp atm, maybe replace the sneak passive with phys penetration like light armor has? What are some of your ideas to buff medium armor?
Your suggestion is to add a penetraion bonus to an armor class that gives damage and crit for stam builds that already hit harder than their magic counter part. This would be over powered..
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[edited to remove bait]Edited by ZOS_Ragnar on October 23, 2019 5:36PM14 -
Weisstag✭✭✭What? medium is just fine but ye sure give me some pen I won't be mad about that xDIam an EU player...so Iam pretty used to suffering0 -
Tolino✭✭✭✭✭Medium is not in a strong spot. But they don't need more dmg.
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olsborg✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Penetration is probably too strong. Movement or some other tool for combat might be better. Or some innate impen score with 5 or more med armor equipped
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olsborg✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Also, id like to see some self healing boost to medium armor. Like the dodge fatigue, by each stack of dodge fatigue you also gain a 2% healing boost that stacks like the fatigue
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Sahidom✭✭✭✭I don't feel medium armor is lacking horribly. Remember, there are so many sources to increase penetration (CP, set items, and weapon type and traits) that it could literally zero out light and medium armor resistances. If you feel it's not protecting you enough, consider using a monster helm set for a defensive set.2
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Ragnork✭✭✭✭✭medium armor is so weak in pvp atm, maybe replace the sneak passive with phys penetration like light armor has? What are some of your ideas to buff medium armor?
Seems reasonable if you separate PvE from PvP, in PvE there are DLCs that revolve around the sneak ability passive from medium armour.3 -
Ragnarock41✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭medium armor is so weak in pvp atm, maybe replace the sneak passive with phys penetration like light armor has? What are some of your ideas to buff medium armor?
Seems reasonable if you separate PvE from PvP, in PvE there are DLCs that revolve around the sneak ability passive from medium armour.
They can just put those passives in the legerdemain world skill line, that way heavy and light armor users could also do those DLCs without burden, no?Edited by Ragnarock41 on October 22, 2019 11:07AM0 -
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✭✭✭No, for the reasons mentioned previously.Edited by redlink1979 on October 22, 2019 12:22PM"Sweet Mother, sweet Mother, send your child unto me, for the sins of the unworthy must be baptized in blood and fear"- Sons of the Night Mother | VforVendetta | Grownups Gaming EU | English Elders [PS][EU] 2500 CP
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Darsaga✭✭✭Buff medium by destroying heavy. To be fair with all the damage mitigation and protection builds most people are in medium anyway. That stuff needs to disappear first.1
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✭Ragnarock41 wrote: »medium armor is so weak in pvp atm, maybe replace the sneak passive with phys penetration like light armor has? What are some of your ideas to buff medium armor?
Seems reasonable if you separate PvE from PvP, in PvE there are DLCs that revolve around the sneak ability passive from medium armour.
They can just put those passives in the legerdemain world skill line, that way heavy and light armor users could also do those DLCs without burden, no?
Not gunna lie...Ragnarock quoting Ragnork hurt my brain a lil...lol
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starkerealm✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Ragnarock41 wrote: »medium armor is so weak in pvp atm, maybe replace the sneak passive with phys penetration like light armor has? What are some of your ideas to buff medium armor?
Seems reasonable if you separate PvE from PvP, in PvE there are DLCs that revolve around the sneak ability passive from medium armour.
They can just put those passives in the legerdemain world skill line, that way heavy and light armor users could also do those DLCs without burden, no?
Problem with that is it would completely sever armor weight from stealth. So you could sneak just as effectively in heavy armor.0 -
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✭medium armor is so weak in pvp atm, maybe replace the sneak passive with phys penetration like light armor has? What are some of your ideas to buff medium armor?
I'm more tanky in medium than heavy armor. Medium is good if you utilize it right.Daggerfall Covenant:Casterial Stamplar || Casterial DK || Availed NB || Castyrial Sorc || Spooky Casterial Necro
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✭✭✭✭starkerealm wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »medium armor is so weak in pvp atm, maybe replace the sneak passive with phys penetration like light armor has? What are some of your ideas to buff medium armor?
Seems reasonable if you separate PvE from PvP, in PvE there are DLCs that revolve around the sneak ability passive from medium armour.
They can just put those passives in the legerdemain world skill line, that way heavy and light armor users could also do those DLCs without burden, no?
Problem with that is it would completely sever armor weight from stealth. So you could sneak just as effectively in heavy armor.
I mean... If medium armor is supposed to be the primary sneaking thing then they should make the whole mechanic work well without the need of cloak in PvP. Once you're in combat its impossible to go back to stealth without it.0 -
deepseamk20b14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭I’m having zero issues in PvP in medium armor. I have around 29.5k resist on back bar when blood spawn is procc’d.
Adding penetration would be over doing it. Adjust your builds and learn to wear people down as medium armor passives provide a decent amount of cost reduction and sustain as, if you’re having trouble killing tanky targets. If you’re built right they shouldn’t be out sustaining you. I’d say use resource poisons but I feel they are straight cancer.
If anything, maybe have 5 or more pieces reduce dodge roll fatigue.Hey everyone! Look! It's a signature!1 -
technohic✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Sneak passive should just be built in then heavy armor have a negative effect on it.
Passive I think medium needs would be something more defensive. Has good offensive passives already0 -
starkerealm✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Ragnarock41 wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »medium armor is so weak in pvp atm, maybe replace the sneak passive with phys penetration like light armor has? What are some of your ideas to buff medium armor?
Seems reasonable if you separate PvE from PvP, in PvE there are DLCs that revolve around the sneak ability passive from medium armour.
They can just put those passives in the legerdemain world skill line, that way heavy and light armor users could also do those DLCs without burden, no?
Problem with that is it would completely sever armor weight from stealth. So you could sneak just as effectively in heavy armor.
I mean... If medium armor is supposed to be the primary sneaking thing then they should make the whole mechanic work well without the need of cloak in PvP. Once you're in combat its impossible to go back to stealth without it.
And we're back to the general shortcomings of PvP. I mean, if you could shed all aggro simply by breaking line of sight and crouching, it'd be hilariously broken. Not saying the current system is perfect, but medium armor is supposed to be the sneaky option.1 -
sproattt✭✭✭You can run 5 heavy over 5 medium and still stack more WD without the 15% WD from 5 med. If your not running 5 heavy over 5 med in Scale your losing out. ONLY IN SCALE as dots are so high from Stamblade perspective. However it may be diff for dk and sorc.
It really needs a passive either instead of sneak cost and reduced detect area as this only affects gankers imo. As light tree has spell pen and 4% snare resist per light piece. We do have Shuffle but to slot over Siph strikes in Scale is suicidal.Stamblade Main.0 -
chrightt✭✭✭✭Really, if medium armor doesn’t work for you don’t use it. I run medium for almost all my stam classes and guess what in pve DPS still slots 7M. If you just can’t get used to surviving with medium armor’s kit in a fast paced combat scenario then you should swap armor.0 -
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✭Reduce the cost of Dodge Roll and the penalty, since so many skills are undodgable. Get rid of or add to the sneak passive, something to help survivability.PS NA
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MurderMostFoul✭✭✭✭✭
✭Replace Improved Sneak passive with:
Stop, Drop, and Roll:
(Requires at least 5 pieces medium armor)
1/2 - Dodge rolling removes 1 damage over time effect;
2/2 - Dodge rolling removes 2 damage over time effects.
Edited by MurderMostFoul on October 23, 2019 12:54AM“There is nothing either good or bad, but thinking makes it so.”0 -
Sahidom✭✭✭✭Sneak passive should just be built in then heavy armor have a negative effect on it.
Passive I think medium needs would be something more defensive. Has good offensive passives already
You're right the armor set does have good offensive passives. IF, you were to change a passive, and big IF, then I would happily accept replacing the +% Weapon Damage for 4884 Physical Penetration. This change puts the set on par with Light armor for penetrating heavy armor builds. This change benefits both PVP (mostly) and PVE (easier to hit 18.2k penetration)Edited by Sahidom on October 23, 2019 7:46AM0 -
DeathPK✭✭✭Sneak passive should just be built in then heavy armor have a negative effect on it.
Passive I think medium needs would be something more defensive. Has good offensive passives already
You're right the armor set does have good offensive passives. IF, you were to change a passive, and big IF, then I would happily accept replacing the +% Weapon Damage for 4884 Physical Penetration. This change puts the set on par with Light armor for penetrating heavy armor builds. This change benefits both PVP (mostly) and PVE (easier to hit 18.2k penetration)
no i would rather the 12% damage over the pen, it would only be useful on heavy armor tanks0 -
Ragnarock41✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭starkerealm wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »medium armor is so weak in pvp atm, maybe replace the sneak passive with phys penetration like light armor has? What are some of your ideas to buff medium armor?
Seems reasonable if you separate PvE from PvP, in PvE there are DLCs that revolve around the sneak ability passive from medium armour.
They can just put those passives in the legerdemain world skill line, that way heavy and light armor users could also do those DLCs without burden, no?
Problem with that is it would completely sever armor weight from stealth. So you could sneak just as effectively in heavy armor.
I mean... If medium armor is supposed to be the primary sneaking thing then they should make the whole mechanic work well without the need of cloak in PvP. Once you're in combat its impossible to go back to stealth without it.
And we're back to the general shortcomings of PvP. I mean, if you could shed all aggro simply by breaking line of sight and crouching, it'd be hilariously broken. Not saying the current system is perfect, but medium armor is supposed to be the sneaky option.
That is exactly what cloak allows though, make up your mind, do we also nerf cloak for being hilarious broken?(hey, your words, not mine.) If we balance armor based on which class is supposed to use it, then I want some DK related flavor on heavy armor like block cost reduction. While at it lets give light armor some flavor for sorcs.
If I can't sneak when clearly out of sight and out of a fight, then what good are those medium passives for? If only for nightblade then give those directly to nightblade.
Screw all those that want to try different armor weights, how dare they.Edited by Ragnarock41 on October 23, 2019 11:09AM0 -
starkerealm✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Ragnarock41 wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »medium armor is so weak in pvp atm, maybe replace the sneak passive with phys penetration like light armor has? What are some of your ideas to buff medium armor?
Seems reasonable if you separate PvE from PvP, in PvE there are DLCs that revolve around the sneak ability passive from medium armour.
They can just put those passives in the legerdemain world skill line, that way heavy and light armor users could also do those DLCs without burden, no?
Problem with that is it would completely sever armor weight from stealth. So you could sneak just as effectively in heavy armor.
I mean... If medium armor is supposed to be the primary sneaking thing then they should make the whole mechanic work well without the need of cloak in PvP. Once you're in combat its impossible to go back to stealth without it.
And we're back to the general shortcomings of PvP. I mean, if you could shed all aggro simply by breaking line of sight and crouching, it'd be hilariously broken. Not saying the current system is perfect, but medium armor is supposed to be the sneaky option.
That is exactly what cloak allows though, make up your mind, do we also nerf cloak for being hilarious broken?(hey, your words, not mine.) If we balance armor based on which class is supposed to use it, then I want some DK related flavor on heavy armor like block cost reduction. While at it lets give light armor some flavor for sorcs.
If I can't sneak when clearly out of sight and out of a fight, then what good are those medium passives for? If only for nightblade then give those directly to nightblade.
Screw all those that want to try different armor weights, how dare they.
Difference being that Cloak is a class specific ability, and keeping it means giving up your in class click heal. Unlike every other class option in the game, the Nightblade can engage in stealth at will, regardless of their armor weight. That's, by design, unique to them.0 -
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DaNnYtHePcFrEaK✭✭✭medium armor is so weak in pvp atm, maybe replace the sneak passive with phys penetration like light armor has? What are some of your ideas to buff medium armor?
This is the first time I would ever have agreed with a pvp monkey... it is more beneficial and add the sneak passive into a champion tree or something0 -
DCZergNoob✭✭✭MurderMostFoul wrote: »Replace Improved Sneak passive with:
Stop, Drop, and Roll:
(Requires at least 5 pieces medium armor)
1/2 - Dodge rolling removes 1 damage over time effect;
2/2 - Dodge rolling removes 2 damage over time effects.
Just replace DOTS with negative affects, might sound OP on paper but honestly if your a solo/small scale player running medium your gonna need it0