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Vestige immortal?

FabresFour
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So, basically, is Vestige immortal?

Even after regaining his soul, he is still composed of Azure Plasm, as all vestige. Does this imply that even after reuniting with his soul, he remains immortal?
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  • MasterSpatula
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    Effectively, yes. I’m sure there’s a loophole somewhere, but no telling what it is.
    Edited by MasterSpatula on October 8, 2019 7:27PM
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  • CMDR_Un1k0rn
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    He wouldn't be the first hero to cheat death to a degree.

    The Nerevarine did too. He's said to have gone an expedition to Akavir after the event of TES3, but there is no reason he couldn't still be alive during the events of TES5, regardless of race.
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  • Aigym_Hlervu
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    Effectively, yes. I’m sure there’s a loophole somewhere, but no telling what it is.

    That loopholes are called Wayshrines. There is a book to read. Direnni was right - those wayshrines allow us to teleport and they prevent us from banishment back to Oblivion after death. There are only three ways to ressurect for us - wayshrines, captured souls and Soul Summons passive ability. So in order to kill a Vestige you need to destroy or turn off the braziers of all the wayshrines, to deprive him of all his soul gems and to kill him twice if he knows how to summon souls. Quite an uneasy task.
    He wouldn't be the first hero to cheat death to a degree.

    The Nerevarine did too. He's said to have gone an expedition to Akavir after the event of TES3, but there is no reason he couldn't still be alive during the events of TES5, regardless of race.

    The most funny thing I've read on this was stated in the Imperial Pocket Guide to the Empire, 3rd Edition under the Article The Temple: Morrowind: "Dagoth Ur and two members of the Tribunal, Almalexia and Sotha Sil, were destroyed in the Nerevarine's fury". Damned Imperial scientists. They've found two bodies laying down there and think they may lay down the law we killed Sil! Filthy liars..
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    Bangkorai spoilers:
    Septima Tharn figures out that she can lure the Vestige to an afterlife-type realm (the Far Shores) so that they will be severed from their soul back in Coldharbour. If Septima had succeeded in killing the Vestige there, it would have been permanent. So that's one way to do it.

    Presumably that's not an option after the Vestige's soul is restored though.

    Relevant lorebooks:

    "Death" of Morphotypical Entities
    Chaotic Creatia: The Azure Plasm
    Edited by Ilsabet on October 9, 2019 5:05AM
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  • Aigym_Hlervu
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    Ilsabet wrote: »
    Bangkorai spoilers:
    Septima Tharn figures out that she can lure the Vestige to an afterlife-type realm (the Far Shores) so that they will be severed from their soul back in Coldharbour. If Septima had succeeded in killing the Vestige there, it would have been permanent. So that's one way to do it.

    Presumably that's not an option after the Vestige's soul is restored though.

    Relevant lorebooks:

    "Death" of Morphotypical Entities
    Chaotic Creatia: The Azure Plasm

    Thank you, @Ilsabet! New interesting books to read is always a pleasure!
  • RebornV3x
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    Would trapping the Vestige in a black soul gem and being sent to the Soul Carin count also with the Vestiges soul back could he die of natural causes or old age...
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  • Squidgaurd
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    Yah
  • Danikat
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    I've been wondering about this recently too. I think it seems likely that the Vestige cannot be killed, but I'm not sure about aging and dying of old age. As I understand it there's a concious element to the reforming, definitely for daedra but possibly for soul shriven too - your mental image of yourself affects the body which is created. So if the Vestige is feeling older, or knows they're getting older maybe they'll start looking older, and eventually if they believe themselves to be mortal the idea that sooner or later their death will be permenant could prevent them reforming.

    Of course that could be different for each Vestige, based on their perception of themselves and what happened to them. Take Cadwell for example, he was originally human and if he was mortal he should be long dead, but he seems to ignore the passage of time just like he ignores the horrors of Coldharbour and anything else he finds inconvinient.

    (It would certainly help with my 'playing the same character in every TES game' tradition - the ESO one would be the first, and if she's immortal there's no reason she couldn't have gone through all the other games too.)
    Ilsabet wrote: »
    Bangkorai spoilers:
    Septima Tharn figures out that she can lure the Vestige to an afterlife-type realm (the Far Shores) so that they will be severed from their soul back in Coldharbour. If Septima had succeeded in killing the Vestige there, it would have been permanent. So that's one way to do it.

    Presumably that's not an option after the Vestige's soul is restored though.

    Relevant lorebooks:

    "Death" of Morphotypical Entities
    Chaotic Creatia: The Azure Plasm

    In case anyone's wondering this only applies in lore, if she kills you during that fight you're still able to ressurect just like you can anywhere else, there is absolutely no acknowledgement in game mechanics that it's any different to any other part of the game.

    Which is disappointing from a lore perspective, but handy when your mouse software suddenly decides it doesn't know which profile to use and reverts to the default so all the skills you have bound to mouse buttons stop working in the middle of the fight.
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  • Sailor_Palutena
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    The good thing on immortality is that we can hope to see the years passing by. I really wish to 'play' Morrowind from ESO perspective and help the Nerevarine to accomplish his destiny,
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