Why are all stam builds top dps?
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itsfatbass✭✭✭✭✭Grandesdar wrote: »Higher risk, higher reward. Stams don't have the pets, the endless shields, etc. It's not incorrect to say a magsorc is the easiest character to do maelstrom.
Also, stamina has a wide range of shields available to use. Stamina based shields that actually have the same exact tooltip as magicka variants. So another fallacy and statement made with no actual thought process involved.~PC/NA~ Magblade, Tankanist, Healplar, Stamcro, Oakensorc, Healden, Tanknight ~PLUR~0 -
itsfatbass✭✭✭✭✭The answer is obviously because this is how the dev wants things to be right now. It is a fact that DPS is much higher on stam characters overall. So the dev made things this way and they are choosing not to correct anything.
End of story. Unless people keep complaining about it, they have no reason to even things out. Even if we do complain, they seem to ignore us, as it's been going on for well over a year, if not 2.
The dev's didnt intentionally make things this way. They are blind to their balancing. Just a year ago it was all magblade meta, now look at it.~PC/NA~ Magblade, Tankanist, Healplar, Stamcro, Oakensorc, Healden, Tanknight ~PLUR~2 -
Vanos444✭✭✭✭✭I thought it was because maybe stam is seen as a full dps while mag is sort of hybrid because they can easily switch to heal. If it's just gear then I wonder why zos doesn't balance it out more..
It's not just the gear as well. All stam have execute with 2 handed weapon or AoE execute.
Also, stam heavy/ light attacks are faster compared to staffs. Yes! More risk and rewards bs for being near...but the fact if the matter is, magicka are less liked for many due to their rotation being punishing compared to stamina. Provided you play a magSorc, then things differ.
So, it also boils down to skill slots and less variation to weapon skills.
Some may like dw spellblade, others might like spell bow variation to the weapon skills. But sadly, it's not going to be implemented.
I take it, you don't main a stamina toon or you haven't played a stamina class seriously...
Clearly you don't know what you're doing, because you're just making stuff up at this point? Stam is easier to weave because they're closer? lol, everyone is the same distance when they're stacking on bosses.Grandesdar wrote: »Higher risk, higher reward. Stams don't have the pets, the endless shields, etc. It's not incorrect to say a magsorc is the easiest character to do maelstrom.
It's not that...
Magicka as a hard time pulling light and heavy attack DPS with Animation cancelling for PvE. Also, not many try or have the patience to perform those skills as a mag.
While for stamina, it's easy to perform because the boss is right in front of you.
lmao what? You do realize that it's super easy to weave on a mag toon, and they literally have an arena weapon designed boost their weaves, right?
Lol! I have played this game for 4 years and I know what I am saying....
It may be easy for you but it's difficult to weave compared stamina beacuse are less punishing compared to magicka builds and in stamina I can weave faster and bring out more DPS. ( Except for magSorc)
I sometimes miss an attack because of mechanics...Grandesdar wrote: »Higher risk, higher reward. Stams don't have the pets, the endless shields, etc. It's not incorrect to say a magsorc is the easiest character to do maelstrom.
It's not that...
Magicka as a hard time pulling light and heavy attack DPS with Animation cancelling for PvE. Also, not many try or have the patience to perform those skills as a mag.
While for stamina, it's easy to perform because the boss is right in front of you.
Wut? No we don't...
The problem is the way things are set up and the set availability. Mag is very limited at the top end when it comes to sets. All specs wear the same gear, and have been for a long time, barring the addition of PFG, which is just a slightly nicer version of a stam set that has been out since forever. Add to that, we have to be incredibly judicious about our rotation so we can sustain since we can't use sustain food without losing a ton of either health or dmg, while stam can dump attribute points into health while running Lava Foot and still do insane amounts of dmg. Someone at the top either looooves stam to the exclusion of all else, or just doesn't get it when it comes to the dmg disparity.
We came close to closing the mag/stam gap with this latest patch, and we'll see how it looks once the newest batch of parses start rolling in, but stam is still the dps king for almost all content.
I agree about the sets. But stam are easy to execute. Even if you mess up your rotation. While for magicka, it's a huge DPS loss..
That's the reason, I don't like magicka builds.
Now don't get me wrong, if you only play a magSorc then things change. MagSorc are easier to execute compared to other magicka classes and stam builds.
I have a Magnb as my main and I know, how frustrating it is, compared to my stamcro...
It's not fun weaving a magicka weapon skill compared to stamina. The weave is slower in staff compared to other weapons. Also, it's more prone to mistakes which end up messing your DPS rotation, which is punishable. While, stam is more forgivable to mistakes.
Also, being closer doesn't mean stamina are easier than magicka. It's just means or what I wanted to say, they can execute better, which makes ones life easier and less prone to mistakes.Edited by Vanos444 on October 9, 2019 4:15AM0 -
Ramber✭✭✭✭One of the reasons stamina is superior currently is because they have sets that carry them really hard.
https://eso-sets.com/set/perfected-tooth-of-lokkestiiz
https://eso-sets.com/set/arms-of-relequen
Now these statistics there are nice, but please remember they don't really represent all people and no clue how correct they are either. If you look for the same data currently the result already looks a bit different:
If these are trials dummy numbers they are useless.0 -
adeptusminor✭✭✭✭I spent the last couple hours doing some intense calculations, and the conclusion I've come to is stam is top dps because they do more dps than mag.3
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✭✭Melee range , isn't enough ?
Magicka is Standing in melee in nearly every boss fight, also magdk is a Thing and using melee class skills on magblade and magplar is a dps loss, try again?Politeness is respecting others.
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fierackas✭✭✭✭✭One of the reasons stamina is superior currently is because they have sets that carry them really hard.
https://eso-sets.com/set/perfected-tooth-of-lokkestiiz
https://eso-sets.com/set/arms-of-relequen
Now these statistics there are nice, but please remember they don't really represent all people and no clue how correct they are either. If you look for the same data currently the result already looks a bit different:
If these are trials dummy numbers they are useless.
I'm guessing those are trial stats as it says Sunspire at the top.2 -
Xologamer✭✭✭✭you cant go in every raid as stam (or very hard) - vas, vcr
so atleast stma cna do dmg in the raids they are used in ?!
and if mag does same/better dmg no one (in endgame guilds) will play stam because shilds are stronger than healing(vigor)0 -
FearlessOne_2014✭✭✭✭✭
✭It's because imbalance. Most of the ESO community is now stam. So magicka based players have little voice. Therefore Stamina Dominance has rein supreme for 2 years now and will continue to do so. Only getting worst by the update.
If you are looking to complete as a caster based playstyle. Than sorry to say this, but ESO is not your game. ESO simply don't support Magicka competitivness. The gap in power between magicka and stamina is even worst in PvP. That's why nearly all of the current ESO streamers show themselves wreaking face on stamina based playstyles both PvP and PvE.
TL/DR : ESO don't support casters competitiveness, like other Fantasy MMOs do. Play one that does if you looking to be a competitive caster.2 -
Joxer61✭✭✭✭✭FearlessOne_2014 wrote: »It's because imbalance. Most of the ESO community is now stam. So magicka based players have little voice. Therefore Stamina Dominance has rein supreme for 2 years now and will continue to do so. Only getting worst by the update.
If you are looking to complete as a caster based playstyle. Than sorry to say this, but ESO is not your game. ESO simply don't support Magicka competitivness. The gap in power between magicka and stamina is even worst in PvP. That's why nearly all of the current ESO streamers show themselves wreaking face on stamina based playstyles both PvP and PvE.
TL/DR : ESO don't support casters competitiveness, like other Fantasy MMOs do. Play one that does if you looking to be a competitive caster.
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Donny_Vito✭✭✭✭✭
✭One of the reasons stamina is superior currently is because they have sets that carry them really hard.
https://eso-sets.com/set/perfected-tooth-of-lokkestiiz
https://eso-sets.com/set/arms-of-relequen
Now these statistics there are nice, but please remember they don't really represent all people and no clue how correct they are either. If you look for the same data currently the result already looks a bit different:
If these are trials dummy numbers they are useless.
Those are stats specific to PC players in Sunspire trial. While the numbers may not accurately portray the whole community (all platforms), it's a decent representation of the top DPS classes. It's no surprise that StamCros are the top hitters. The sad part is that they could hit even harder if the dragons hit-boxes were more accurate.1 -
Xologamer✭✭✭✭FearlessOne_2014 wrote: »It's because imbalance. Most of the ESO community is now stam. So magicka based players have little voice. Therefore Stamina Dominance has rein supreme for 2 years now and will continue to do so. Only getting worst by the update.
If you are looking to complete as a caster based playstyle. Than sorry to say this, but ESO is not your game. ESO simply don't support Magicka competitivness. The gap in power between magicka and stamina is even worst in PvP. That's why nearly all of the current ESO streamers show themselves wreaking face on stamina based playstyles both PvP and PvE.
TL/DR : ESO don't support casters competitiveness, like other Fantasy MMOs do. Play one that does if you looking to be a competitive caster.
^seams like u have no idea about pvp atleast 30-40% are magplars atm0 -
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✭FearlessOne_2014 wrote: »It's because imbalance. Most of the ESO community is now stam. So magicka based players have little voice. Therefore Stamina Dominance has rein supreme for 2 years now and will continue to do so. Only getting worst by the update.
If you are looking to complete as a caster based playstyle. Than sorry to say this, but ESO is not your game. ESO simply don't support Magicka competitivness. The gap in power between magicka and stamina is even worst in PvP. That's why nearly all of the current ESO streamers show themselves wreaking face on stamina based playstyles both PvP and PvE.
TL/DR : ESO don't support casters competitiveness, like other Fantasy MMOs do. Play one that does if you looking to be a competitive caster.
^seams like u have no idea about pvp atleast 30-40% are magplars atm
And 99% of them are not even competitive, being pushed to being nothing more than a healbot. Where are all these competitive Magplars?
Almost all competitive streamers who streams for a living are doing so on Stamina specs. So you speak nothing but BS that you can't back up.
Anyone who is doing good on a Magicka spec these days will do much better on a Stamina spec. Proof can be found nearly everywhere. Stamina specs are by far completely dominate to Magicka specs.1 -
Xologamer✭✭✭✭FearlessOne_2014 wrote: »FearlessOne_2014 wrote: »It's because imbalance. Most of the ESO community is now stam. So magicka based players have little voice. Therefore Stamina Dominance has rein supreme for 2 years now and will continue to do so. Only getting worst by the update.
If you are looking to complete as a caster based playstyle. Than sorry to say this, but ESO is not your game. ESO simply don't support Magicka competitivness. The gap in power between magicka and stamina is even worst in PvP. That's why nearly all of the current ESO streamers show themselves wreaking face on stamina based playstyles both PvP and PvE.
TL/DR : ESO don't support casters competitiveness, like other Fantasy MMOs do. Play one that does if you looking to be a competitive caster.
^seams like u have no idea about pvp atleast 30-40% are magplars atm
And 99% of them are not even competitive, being pushed to being nothing more than a healbot. Where are all these competitive Magplars?
Almost all competitive streamers who streams for a living are doing so on Stamina specs. So you speak nothing but BS that you can't back up.
Anyone who is doing good on a Magicka spec these days will do much better on a Stamina spec. Proof can be found nearly everywhere. Stamina specs are by far completely dominate to Magicka specs.
so u wanna say me a templar wich can heal 20k life with 1skill can do dmg of doom getting buff every patch is weaker than any stamina ?0 -
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I've played both specs and can honestly say there's little difference in weaving between both. If you're screwing up rotations and weaving on mag that's an L2P issue, so please stop spouting nonsense.I take it, you don't main a stamina toon or you haven't played a stamina class seriously...
It's not fun weaving a magicka weapon skill compared to stamina. The weave is slower in staff compared to other weapons. Also, it's more prone to mistakes which end up messing your DPS rotation, which is punishable. While, stam is more forgivable to mistakes.
Also, being closer doesn't mean stamina are easier than magicka. It's just means or what I wanted to say, they can execute better, which makes ones life easier and less prone to mistakes.
You do realize that the vAS HM world record is held by an all stamcro group, right? And again, shields have been completely irrelevant since they started respecting Resistances and scaling off of HP.you cant go in every raid as stam (or very hard) - vas, vcr
so atleast stma cna do dmg in the raids they are used in ?!
and if mag does same/better dmg no one (in endgame guilds) will play stam because shilds are stronger than healing(vigor)
So like, 1 streamer? lmao, maybe you should start researching before you start spouting your own BSFearlessOne_2014 wrote: »Almost all competitive streamers who streams for a living are doing so on Stamina specs. So you speak nothing but BS that you can't back up.0 -
teladoy✭✭✭✭✭Stamina don't only does more damage, but it also has the best mobility and defense to roll and evade 100% all the skills that were launch at that time to them. That in PVP is pure nectar.
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✭✭We have this discussion all the time, but each time Magicka is outperforming Stamina in trials, dungeons, etc. then leaders will again only take Magicka-Players into the adventures, because they can easily shield damage away as well.
A few patches ago this way the case and now it has turned again so that Stams are better performing atm, because of the nice sets (and some also because of the DOT-rotation atm).
I think if Magicka would get a set like Lokkestiiz they would easily overpower Stamina again, because at the moment they are not extremly far away from the Staminas (I am not playing hardcore-trials).
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Grandesdar✭✭✭Grandesdar wrote: »Higher risk, higher reward. Stams don't have the pets, the endless shields, etc. It's not incorrect to say a magsorc is the easiest character to do maelstrom.
Oh boy, I didn't know it could be such an issue, I'm nowhere an expert player, I was just typing what I heard from the people around me mostly. Also, some replies are like, "magsorcs are hard to play, low DPS, hard rotation," etc. I mean if you have so many cons about sorcs maybe you should stop playing a sorc. I find them in a pretty good shape and balanced.Main: The Charismatic StamDK DD
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Czekoludek✭✭✭✭✭
✭you cant go in every raid as stam (or very hard) - vas, vcr
so atleast stma cna do dmg in the raids they are used in ?!
and if mag does same/better dmg no one (in endgame guilds) will play stam because shilds are stronger than healing(vigor)
World Best in vCR HM and vAS HM belongs to all stam party do I'm not sure you know what you are taking about. Stam have better single target, better AoE, better healing, better sets, better range dmg (yes, bow bow builds deals more dmg then most mag specs) and better mobility. All of that in exchange for weak shields?2 -
BrokenGameMechanics✭✭✭✭Highier weapon damage (that scale from passives) with very high crit chance, innate execute with dual wield, Relequen that does hands-free damage and high Major Slayer uptime from Lokkestiz. And Major Vulnerability to the mix.
Also, I believe, the damage enchants are higher for stam then mag. i.e. Poisson, Disease > Fire, Frost, Lightning from a pure damage perspective. So just higher innate damage numbers built into stam.0 -
Grandesdar✭✭✭itsfatbass wrote: »Grandesdar wrote: »Higher risk, higher reward. Stams don't have the pets, the endless shields, etc. It's not incorrect to say a magsorc is the easiest character to do maelstrom.
Also, stamina has a wide range of shields available to use. Stamina based shields that actually have the same exact tooltip as magicka variants. So another fallacy and statement made with no actual thought process involved.
Let me know the name of the stam shield that is spammable, stackable and low cost and don't need anyone to synergize. Turns out people have been slotting vigor for its beautiful effects or sth.Main: The Charismatic StamDK DD
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✭Grandesdar wrote: »itsfatbass wrote: »Grandesdar wrote: »Higher risk, higher reward. Stams don't have the pets, the endless shields, etc. It's not incorrect to say a magsorc is the easiest character to do maelstrom.
Also, stamina has a wide range of shields available to use. Stamina based shields that actually have the same exact tooltip as magicka variants. So another fallacy and statement made with no actual thought process involved.
Let me know the name of the stam shield that is spammable, stackable and low cost and don't need anyone to synergize. Turns out people have been slotting vigor for its beautiful effects or sth.
Let me know what mag spec except sorc can properly shield stack. Also with bone shield your friend can use synergy and give shields to three other ppl. Show me which magicka shield can do that. Also if you spam shields, you will lost resources pretty fast. People use vigor cuz it's one of the most effective HoT in game1 -
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✭✭✭better look at this
One caveat, the players who min-max the most are already playing Stamnecros. It skews the data.
I’ve also looked at some of the Magdps numbers and it includes healers.Looking for any guildies I used to play with:
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SoLooney✭✭✭✭✭Grandesdar wrote: »Higher risk, higher reward. Stams don't have the pets, the endless shields, etc. It's not incorrect to say a magsorc is the easiest character to do maelstrom.
But not all mag classes have pets do they? Mag dk, magblade and magplar dont have pets. And mag classes have to avoid things also
Magblades have a pet, it's the shade
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SupremeRissole✭✭✭✭Mag CAN play melee range and be effective, stam CANT play ranged and be as effective. Why not argue why stam dont have as much effectiveness as mag from range? Stam are sub-optimal for both mini-trials where mag thrive. Mag have an easier time keeping up their damage when observing mechanics that require movement as well as have an easy time keeping up damage on a boss that moves a lot. Realisticly if you pull good enough damage you can play whatever you want in raid teams that arent pushing the higher scores/working on godslayer etc. The meta will shift, everyone will follow, and then people will complain why their spec is not optimal. Its the ESO community cycle.0
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✭SupremeRissole wrote: »Mag CAN play melee range and be effective, stam CANT play ranged and be as effective. Why not argue why stam dont have as much effectiveness as mag from range? Stam are sub-optimal for both mini-trials where mag thrive. Mag have an easier time keeping up their damage when observing mechanics that require movement as well as have an easy time keeping up damage on a boss that moves a lot. Realisticly if you pull good enough damage you can play whatever you want in raid teams that arent pushing the higher scores/working on godslayer etc. The meta will shift, everyone will follow, and then people will complain why their spec is not optimal. Its the ESO community cycle.
What are you talking, right now bow/bow builds hits the same/highier numbers then mag. Watch examples of full stamina vAS HM, great damage and mobility with bow/bow builds1 -
Schattenfluegel✭✭✭✭Czekoludek wrote: »you cant go in every raid as stam (or very hard) - vas, vcr
so atleast stma cna do dmg in the raids they are used in ?!
and if mag does same/better dmg no one (in endgame guilds) will play stam because shilds are stronger than healing(vigor)
World Best in vCR HM and vAS HM belongs to all stam party do I'm not sure you know what you are taking about. Stam have better single target, better AoE, better healing, better sets, better range dmg (yes, bow bow builds deals more dmg then most mag specs) and better mobility. All of that in exchange for weak shields?
Well theyve played Rangebuilds on Stam, not the original Melee Builds..its still more risky to get NoDeath then.Love my Stamsorc0