Why no account wide achievement points?

JacksonCarter13 · May 2019

I loved this game 5 years ago and really really want to get back into it. While I understand a Class Change token is not what they are looking for which is logical, why are achievement points still character bound? There are two new classes I would love to try and even pay money to try, yet they would have zero achievement points. Why cant we try the new content with a new class and still progress overall... @zenimax I simply dont understand why? Im gonna give the game another shot, but you just lost money because Im not gonna try another class if it doesnt attribute to my overall progress. This is 5 years later and and super simple and always requested request. Please your already making me bummed about not trying the new classes and progressing with my account.

Nemesis7884 · May 2019

No offense but this has been asked and discussed a bazillion times....yes most people seem to be in favor of it, zos seems unwilling or unable to implement it

Delpi · May 2019

+1

JamuThatsWho · May 2019

It would be nice, but it isn't a huge deal since the rewards from achievements are account-wide. The only annoying thing is getting all the titles again.

Siohwenoeht · May 2019

I'm not sure why people are so caught up on account wide achievements. You have account wide CP, which is truly your account progress.

Dyes, mounts, polymorphs, skins, pets, it's all account wide and some are from achievements. I mean obviously titles can't be account wide, but I'm still failing to understand. Would you be ok with a separate tab under the journal that compiled everything together?

OrphanHelgen · May 2019

I would play alts if it gave achievements on account instead of character. Now, I am onetrick pony.

barney2525 · May 2019

I never understand these threads.

What would the point of playing a new character be if they started with All the achievements completed?

VaranisArano · May 2019

There's nunerous reasons for and against.

The benefits of character specific achievements are:
Role-playing - you get the achievements that character earned
Character-specific achievements - there are some achievements that matter which character you do them on
Keeps players playing the game longer - if you care about an achievement, you'll get it on your alts.

Personally, I'd be fine with account wide only for achievements where it does matter which character you earned them with. It doesnt really matter that I got Master Angler on my MagDK vs my Stam Warden. But it does matter on other achievements! My MagDK and Stam Warden have different PVP and dungeon achievements because they play very differently.

Tandor · May 2019

Nemesis7884 wrote: »

No offense but this has been asked and discussed a bazillion times....yes most people seem to be in favor of it, zos seems unwilling or unable to implement it

There's no evidence that most people are in favour of it. Opinion is clearly divided whenever it comes up. Moreover, those who lobbied for account-wide skyshards, for example, were warned that it would only be delivered if at all through the Crown Store and now they're the first to complain about the prices being charged. Be careful what you wish for.

RodneyRegis · May 2019

Sorry, this keeps getting asked, but nobody has explained - why on earth do you care? Achievement points make absolutely no difference to the game whatsoever...I know why people want them, but why on earth would it stop you playing a new class?

"I couldn't possibly play on a new character without achievement points, the humanity."

January1171 · October 2019

RodneyRegis wrote: »

Sorry, this keeps getting asked, but nobody has explained - why on earth do you care? Achievement points make absolutely no difference to the game whatsoever...I know why people want them, but why on earth would it stop you playing a new class?

"I couldn't possibly play on a new character without achievement points, the humanity."

Because I'm a completionist. I want to see all the bars on my achievement summary filled. In the grand scheme of things, no, it doesn't matter. But at that point why does anything in the game matter? People want to play the game differently, and completing all achievements is how I want to play. Account-wide achievements would help with that.

Kiralyn2000 · October 2019

JacksonCarter13 wrote: »

why are achievement points still character bound? There are two new classes I would love to try and even pay money to try, yet they would have zero achievement points. Why cant we try the new content with a new class and still progress overall...

Why do achievement points matter in the first place? I've never understood this desire to have some meaningless number sitting around making you feel good about yourself. ("My number is bigger than yours! I'm awesome!")

(And if you want to try a new class/new content, go for it. Limiting yourself from New Experiences just because of said meaningless number seems even more irrational than caring about the number in the first place. /baffled)

January1171 wrote: »

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Because I'm a completionist. I want to see all the bars on my achievement summary filled.

I honestly see those as two different things. If you aren't playing all the classes, for whatever reason, you're not a "completionist". Seeing the achievement summary filled (rather than, say, knowing that you've got 85% of it filled on your Main, and the other 15% done on the other characters you needed to make to get any class-or-situation-specific ones) seems like an extra arbitrary goalpost-shifting.

Lasinagol · October 2019

I personally think it would be nice to have account wide achievement points. It would be easier to know where I need to play more and what dungeons I ignore completely...
It also homogenizes classes for the achievement hunter. It isn't seeing the full bars for me, it is what they represent as far as skill points and vested interest in said class or toon. How would the fishing achievements work, though? Suddenly with one patch I will have 18 master anglers for the work of one?

Sirona_Starr · October 2019

I completely support account wide achievements. My main toon - played for 5 years has not gotten all the achievements yet, nor all the eidetic books - I'm not going to regrind what has taken 5 years on one, on all. CP is granted across all toons, I don't see why achievements are blocked?

I've heard the argument re titles - "Imagine a level 7 with the title of Emperor!" So what? All the title indicates is that the player behind the accounts has some skills regardless of the level (given CP has been allocated the level is kind of fake in the first place).

My main, as an example, has not gotten the Buzzing Wamasu Spine............ I avoid killing Wamasu as much as possible on other toons, because sure as hell one of them will get it............ that would drive me bonkers........ so........

I would pay for account wide achievements in a heartbeat. I haven't paid for things like shards and stuff because they are so easy to get........ anyway, that's my two cents. Account wide achievements doesn't impact the toons "power" in the game, so it doesn't hurt anyone else if they were implemented, and would certainly make achievement oriented players happy

MJallday · October 2019

I think they should use the progression points as your level rather than cp

Forces people to play the game

IndianaJames7 · October 2019

I can see both sides of this argument. It would be nice for my Stamblade main for achievements relating to vCR and vAS, but also would further push the swing a lot of players have between patches to shift to the new meta(which is unideal imo).

Edit: typo

WeerW3ir · October 2019

let me make it clear. THIS IS AN MMO. NOT A SKYRIM WITH STEAM ACHIEVEMENTS

Mitrenga · October 2019

VaranisArano wrote: »

There's nunerous reasons for and against.

The benefits of character specific achievements are:
Role-playing - you get the achievements that character earned
Character-specific achievements - there are some achievements that matter which character you do them on
Keeps players playing the game longer - if you care about an achievement, you'll get it on your alts.

Personally, I'd be fine with account wide only for achievements where it does matter which character you earned them with. It doesnt really matter that I got Master Angler on my MagDK vs my Stam Warden. But it does matter on other achievements! My MagDK and Stam Warden have different PVP and dungeon achievements because they play very differently.

But ZoS is letting us keep the skins, costumes, mounts that are tied to a certain achievement account wide, not character bound. So, there is no middle ground to it.

Dojohoda · October 2019

I'm not in favor of account wide achievements.

Donny_Vito · October 2019

This seems more like a rhetorical question. I like we all understand why they want you to play multiple characters rather than just one. I'd argue that there is a higher chance your "gaming lifespan" will be longer if you play multiple characters, as well as a greater chance of you purchasing more items in the Crown Store (especially now with all the skill lines that are purchasable).

Edit: Typo...it's Friday and my brain is fried!

CaffeinatedMayhem · October 2019

barney2525 wrote: »

I never understand these threads.

What would the point of playing a new character be if they started with All the achievements completed?

I play alts beause some builds cannot get achivements. E.g. my main (tank) would require a complete rebuild to get the PvP kills achivements. However, my PvP DPS alts have no problems getting those achivements. Still me playing all of the characters, just much much easier on an alt.

Why would I want to start a new alt if all the achivements are completed? Because then I don't have to worry about completeing them AGAIN and again and again and....

TheShadowScout · October 2019

Tandor wrote: »

Nemesis7884 wrote: »

No offense but this has been asked and discussed a bazillion times....yes most people seem to be in favor of it, zos seems unwilling or unable to implement it

There's no evidence that most people are in favour of it. Opinion is clearly divided whenever it comes up. Moreover, those who lobbied for account-wide skyshards, for example, were warned that it would only be delivered if at all through the Crown Store and now they're the first to complain about the prices being charged. Be careful what you wish for.

^This!^

...and that.

Just like I said the last time this came up:

TheShadowScout wrote: »

January1171 wrote: »

Please make it possible to either have account-wide achievements...

Nah.
The -best- you can hope for is a mirroring of (some) achievements from your other character(s) JUST like they did for skyshards and guilds - aka, for a price (in crowns).

And who'd pay that for what is basically just scorekeepings?
Would you?
Really?
Shell out cold hard cash for crowns just to mirror your monster killings you could easily play for, or dungeon runs you can do again with a few good friends, or stuff like that???

Because, just like skyshards or guild progression, that is the best you can ever hope for here.

VaranisArano · October 2019

Mitrenga wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

There's nunerous reasons for and against.

The benefits of character specific achievements are:
Role-playing - you get the achievements that character earned
Character-specific achievements - there are some achievements that matter which character you do them on
Keeps players playing the game longer - if you care about an achievement, you'll get it on your alts.

Personally, I'd be fine with account wide only for achievements where it does matter which character you earned them with. It doesnt really matter that I got Master Angler on my MagDK vs my Stam Warden. But it does matter on other achievements! My MagDK and Stam Warden have different PVP and dungeon achievements because they play very differently.

But ZoS is letting us keep the skins, costumes, mounts that are tied to a certain achievement account wide, not character bound. So, there is no middle ground to it.

Hey, there's this really awkward thing that happens when someone engages in thread necromancy, and then someone else replies to a post you wrote months ago...

No offense to you, since you weren't the thread necromancer, but I prefer to let dead threads stay in the grave.

tspecherb14_ESO · October 2019

Wow got account wide achievements eventually and it was actually labeled as to what characters got the achievement. You had a cumulative score and a character score. I think this would be a good way to go for ESO.

shaielzafine · October 2019

We won't get account wide achievements in ESO. This game isn't like other MMOs with account wide achievements. What we do have is the convenient option of paying for unlocking things if you already have the achievements on another character. Ex. Skyshards skill points, psijic skill line, undaunted, etc

tspecherb14_ESO · October 2019

I wasn't meaning the skills to be unlocked for characters that have not done them. Really it is just a counter for what you have done (account/character) Unlocking skills/skyshards would still be tied do doing it or buying it per character. You could see what each character has done without logging in with each character.

Mitrenga · October 2019

VaranisArano wrote: »

Mitrenga wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

There's nunerous reasons for and against.

The benefits of character specific achievements are:
Role-playing - you get the achievements that character earned
Character-specific achievements - there are some achievements that matter which character you do them on
Keeps players playing the game longer - if you care about an achievement, you'll get it on your alts.

Personally, I'd be fine with account wide only for achievements where it does matter which character you earned them with. It doesnt really matter that I got Master Angler on my MagDK vs my Stam Warden. But it does matter on other achievements! My MagDK and Stam Warden have different PVP and dungeon achievements because they play very differently.

But ZoS is letting us keep the skins, costumes, mounts that are tied to a certain achievement account wide, not character bound. So, there is no middle ground to it.

Hey, there's this really awkward thing that happens when someone engages in thread necromancy, and then someone else replies to a post you wrote months ago...

No offense to you, since you weren't the thread necromancer, but I prefer to let dead threads stay in the grave.

My bad, I did not even check the post date.

Uryel · October 2019

Achievements are pointless. Sure, some will unlock things, so there's that, and I wouldn't mind if the number of pockets I pick would increase independently from the character i am playing, but aside from that, what's the point ?

Those achievement points have absolutely no use. They're not a currency, there is nothing to gain from it when it reaches certain thresholds (unlike Guild wars 2, for istance), and you can't even display it to brag about it.

Toanis · October 2019

Uryel wrote: »

Those achievement points have absolutely no use. They're not a currency, there is nothing to gain from it when it reaches certain thresholds (unlike Guild wars 2, for istance), and you can't even display it to brag about it.

The last part works out much differently in practice, though. Swtor has global achievements everybody can look at, without you ever knowing they did so. Still nobody cares about your achievements, unless they are snobs who don't play with noobs or a goup in need of a scapegoat to explain why they fail to kill a boss.

It also serves as an indicator for gankers: a low global pvp achievement score reveals an easy target.

Weesacs · October 2019

Im confused. The people who don't seem to want account wide achievements appear to not care about them anyway. Additionally, I see loads of low level players and alts running around with certain skins their main achieved.

So why not apply the same concept to acheivements?

If people do want to keep them character specific then give the option during character creation.

Win win situation.

Zulera301 · October 2019

I honestly don't see why it shouldn't be, except for the stuff that gives individual character rewards (such as the skyshards, obviously).

But achievements that give dyes, skins, costumes, pets, emotes, etc. all unlock them for your entire account, so you can flaunt that Sunspire skin on a level 3 and get away with it.
so I'm mixed on it too. I definitely think some achievements should be account-wide, but others, primarily the skyshard ones, obviously not so.