Since there was no update today I updated and boom:
white screen or crash
[code]Process: eso [1564]
Path: /Applications/Zenimax Online/*/eso.app/Contents/MacOS/eso
Identifier: com.zenimaxonline.eso
Version: 1.0.0 (1.0.0)
Code Type: X86-64 (Native)
Parent Process: ??? [1]
Responsible: eso [1564]
User ID: 501
Date/Time: 2019-10-07 21:56:10.317 +0200
OS Version: Mac OS X 10.15 (19A582a)
Report Version: 12
Anonymous UUID: 3BBCE734-A4B6-5BF7-F2F7-DD75E2C0916E
Time Awake Since Boot: 5800 seconds
System Integrity Protection: enabled
Crashed Thread: 0 Dispatch queue: com.apple.main-thread
Exception Type: EXC_BAD_ACCESS (SIGBUS)
Exception Codes: KERN_PROTECTION_FAILURE at 0x00007fff3bf429ed
Exception Note: EXC_CORPSE_NOTIFY
Termination Signal: Bus error: 10
Termination Reason: Namespace SIGNAL, Code 0xa
Terminating Process: exc handler [1564]
VM Regions Near 0x7fff3bf429ed:
__TEXT 00007fff3bc7b000-00007fff3be00000 [ 1556K] r-x/r-x SM=COW /System/Library/Frameworks/CoreImage.framework/Versions/A/CoreImage
--> __TEXT 00007fff3be00000-00007fff3bfd8000 [ 1888K] r-x/rwx SM=COW /System/Library/Frameworks/CoreImage.framework/Versions/A/CoreImage
unused shlib __DATA 00007fff3bfd8000-00007fff3c000000 [ 160K] r-x/rwx SM=COW system shared lib __DATA not used by this process
Thread 0 Crashed:: Dispatch queue: com.apple.main-thread
0 com.zenimaxonline.eso 0x000000010cf828ff ZoRenderContextVk::LayoutTransition(ZoTextureResourceVk*, VkImageLayout, unsigned int, unsigned int, unsigned int, unsigned int, unsigned int, unsigned int, unsigned int, unsigned int, unsigned int) + 163
1 com.zenimaxonline.eso 0x000000010cf8319f ZoRenderContextVk::PrepareImageForPresent(ZoTextureResourceVk*) + 215
2 com.zenimaxonline.eso 0x000000010cf869ba ZoRenderDeviceVk::Present() + 44
3 com.zenimaxonline.eso 0x000000010cf4259b ZoRenderManager::Present() + 97
4 com.zenimaxonline.eso 0x000000010b28c6fd -[GameClient macPresent] + 125
5 com.zenimaxonline.eso 0x000000010b28c930 -[GameClient macRun] + 321
6 com.zenimaxonline.eso 0x000000010b28d25a -[GameClient platformMainLoop] + 2164
7 com.zenimaxonline.eso 0x000000010b28c593 -[GameClient mainLoop] + 61
8 com.zenimaxonline.eso 0x000000010b28c49b -[GameClient applicationDidFinishLaunching:] + 668
9 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x00007fff3b21018f __CFNOTIFICATIONCENTER_IS_CALLING_OUT_TO_AN_OBSERVER__ + 12
10 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x00007fff3b2a0a63 ___CFXRegistrationPost1_block_invoke + 63
11 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x00007fff3b2a00f8 _CFXRegistrationPost1 + 372
12 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x00007fff3b2187de ___CFXNotificationPost_block_invoke + 97
13 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x00007fff3b180af2 -[_CFXNotificationRegistrar find:object:observer:enumerator:] + 1575
14 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x00007fff3b17ff82 _CFXNotificationPost + 1351
15 com.apple.Foundation 0x00007fff3d83d92b -[NSNotificationCenter postNotificationName:object:userInfo:] + 59
16 com.apple.AppKit 0x00007fff383e8ba5 -[NSApplication _postDidFinishNotification] + 312
17 com.apple.AppKit 0x00007fff383e88a8 -[NSApplication _sendFinishLaunchingNotification] + 208
18 com.apple.AppKit 0x00007fff383e6ae6 -[NSApplication(NSAppleEventHandling) _handleAEOpenEvent:] + 549
19 com.apple.AppKit 0x00007fff383e6739 -[NSApplication(NSAppleEventHandling) _handleCoreEvent:withReplyEvent:] + 688
20 com.apple.Foundation 0x00007fff3d8869c2 -[NSAppleEventManager dispatchRawAppleEvent:withRawReply:handlerRefCon:] + 308
21 com.apple.Foundation 0x00007fff3d88682c _NSAppleEventManagerGenericHandler + 98
22 com.apple.AE 0x00007fff3c562d62 0x7fff3c55a000 + 36194
23 com.apple.AE 0x00007fff3c562489 0x7fff3c55a000 + 33929
24 com.apple.AE 0x00007fff3c562357 aeProcessAppleEvent + 449
25 com.apple.HIToolbox 0x00007fff39d43268 AEProcessAppleEvent + 54
26 com.apple.AppKit 0x00007fff383e2d6c _DPSNextEvent + 1670
27 com.apple.AppKit 0x00007fff383e1834 -[NSApplication(NSEvent) _nextEventMatchingEventMask:untilDate:inMode:dequeue:] + 1352
28 com.apple.AppKit 0x00007fff383dbfd4 -[NSApplication run] + 658
29 com.zenimaxonline.eso 0x000000010b28e002 main + 200
30 libdyld.dylib 0x00007fff72214405 start + 1
Thread 1:
0 libsystem_pthread.dylib 0x00007fff7241d5b4 start_wqthread + 0
Thread 2:
0 libsystem_pthread.dylib 0x00007fff7241d5b4 start_wqthread + 0
Thread 3:
0 libsystem_pthread.dylib 0x00007fff7241d5b4 start_wqthread + 0
Thread 4:
0 libsystem_pthread.dylib 0x00007fff7241d5b4 start_wqthread + 0
Thread 5:
0 libsystem_pthread.dylib 0x00007fff7241d5b4 start_wqthread + 0
Thread 6:
0 libsystem_kernel.dylib 0x00007fff723608f6 __psynch_cvwait + 10
1 libsystem_pthread.dylib 0x00007fff72421082 _pthread_cond_wait + 701
2 com.zenimaxonline.eso 0x000000010cbabefe void boost::asio::detail::posix_event::wait<boost::asio::detail::scoped_lock<boost::asio::detail::posix_mutex> >(boost::asio::detail::scoped_lock<boost::asio::detail::posix_mutex>&) + 38
3 com.zenimaxonline.eso 0x000000010cbabd7b boost::asio::detail::task_io_service::do_run_one(boost::asio::detail::scoped_lock<boost::asio::detail::posix_mutex>&, boost::asio::detail::task_io_service_thread_info&, boost::system::error_code const&) + 191
4 com.zenimaxonline.eso 0x000000010cba48fb boost::asio::detail::task_io_service::run(boost::system::error_code&) + 155
5 com.zenimaxonline.eso 0x000000010cbab6f6 ZoBoostProtocol::Run() + 96
6 com.zenimaxonline.eso 0x000000010e829877 (anonymous namespace)::ThreadExecutionFunction(void*) + 82
7 libsystem_pthread.dylib 0x00007fff72420d76 _pthread_start + 125
8 libsystem_pthread.dylib 0x00007fff7241d5d7 thread_start + 15
Thread 7:
0 com.zenimaxonline.eso 0x000000010e840553 inflate_table + 804
1 com.zenimaxonline.eso 0x000000010e83f065 inflate + 3113
2 com.zenimaxonline.eso 0x000000010e84584f uncompress + 99
3 com.zenimaxonline.eso 0x000000010e7faf88 ZoUncompress(ZoCompressionMethod, unsigned char*, unsigned int, unsigned char const*, unsigned int) + 64
4 com.zenimaxonline.eso 0x000000010e8169bc ZoPackFile::Read(unsigned long long, unsigned char*, unsigned int, ZoPackFileInterface::FileDataSigningCategory&) + 524
5 com.zenimaxonline.eso 0x000000010e8149c8 ZoMetaPackFile::Read(unsigned long long, unsigned char*, unsigned int, ZoPackFileInterface::FileDataSigningCategory&) + 84
6 com.zenimaxonline.eso 0x000000010e6b1261 BackgroundPackFileLoadTask::DoBackgroundThreadWork() + 239
7 com.zenimaxonline.eso 0x000000010e825d23 ZoTaskQueue::DoBackgroundThreadWork(ZoTaskQueue::TerminateCondition, unsigned int) + 467
8 com.zenimaxonline.eso 0x000000010e826fb6 ZoTaskQueueUpdater::Run() + 96
9 com.zenimaxonline.eso 0x000000010e828fed ZoThread::ThreadFunc(void*) + 65
10 com.zenimaxonline.eso 0x000000010e829877 (anonymous namespace)::ThreadExecutionFunction(void*) + 82
11 libsystem_pthread.dylib 0x00007fff72420d76 _pthread_start + 125
12 libsystem_pthread.dylib 0x00007fff7241d5d7 thread_start + 15
Thread 8:
0 libsystem_kernel.dylib 0x00007fff72361012 __semwait_signal + 10
1 libsystem_c.dylib 0x00007fff722e4122 nanosleep + 196
2 libsystem_c.dylib 0x00007fff722e401c usleep + 53
3 com.zenimaxonline.eso 0x000000010e826fcc ZoTaskQueueUpdater::Run() + 118
4 com.zenimaxonline.eso 0x000000010b28e96a ZoWorkerThreadUpdater::Run() + 48
5 com.zenimaxonline.eso 0x000000010e828fed ZoThread::ThreadFunc(void*) + 65
6 com.zenimaxonline.eso 0x000000010e829877 (anonymous namespace)::ThreadExecutionFunction(void*) + 82
7 libsystem_pthread.dylib 0x00007fff72420d76 _pthread_start + 125
8 libsystem_pthread.dylib 0x00007fff7241d5d7 thread_start + 15
Thread 9:
0 libsystem_kernel.dylib 0x00007fff723608f6 __psynch_cvwait + 10
1 libsystem_pthread.dylib 0x00007fff72421082 _pthread_cond_wait + 701
2 com.zenimaxonline.eso 0x000000010e826844 ZoTaskQueue::WaitForWork() + 64
3 com.zenimaxonline.eso 0x000000010e826f79 ZoTaskQueueUpdater::Run() + 35
4 com.zenimaxonline.eso 0x000000010b28e96a ZoWorkerThreadUpdater::Run() + 48
5 com.zenimaxonline.eso 0x000000010e828fed ZoThread::ThreadFunc(void*) + 65
6 com.zenimaxonline.eso 0x000000010e829877 (anonymous namespace)::ThreadExecutionFunction(void*) + 82
7 libsystem_pthread.dylib 0x00007fff72420d76 _pthread_start + 125
8 libsystem_pthread.dylib 0x00007fff7241d5d7 thread_start + 15
Thread 10:
0 libsystem_kernel.dylib 0x00007fff723608f6 __psynch_cvwait + 10
1 libsystem_pthread.dylib 0x00007fff72421082 _pthread_cond_wait + 701
2 com.zenimaxonline.eso 0x000000010e826844 ZoTaskQueue::WaitForWork() + 64
3 com.zenimaxonline.eso 0x000000010e826f79 ZoTaskQueueUpdater::Run() + 35
4 com.zenimaxonline.eso 0x000000010b28e96a ZoWorkerThreadUpdater::Run() + 48
5 com.zenimaxonline.eso 0x000000010e828fed ZoThread::ThreadFunc(void*) + 65
6 com.zenimaxonline.eso 0x000000010e829877 (anonymous namespace)::ThreadExecutionFunction(void*) + 82
7 libsystem_pthread.dylib 0x00007fff72420d76 _pthread_start + 125
8 libsystem_pthread.dylib 0x00007fff7241d5d7 thread_start + 15
Thread 11:
0 libsystem_kernel.dylib 0x00007fff723608f6 __psynch_cvwait + 10
1 libsystem_pthread.dylib 0x00007fff72421082 _pthread_cond_wait + 701
2 com.zenimaxonline.eso 0x000000010e826844 ZoTaskQueue::WaitForWork() + 64
3 com.zenimaxonline.eso 0x000000010e826f79 ZoTaskQueueUpdater::Run() + 35
4 com.zenimaxonline.eso 0x000000010b28e96a ZoWorkerThreadUpdater::Run() + 48
5 com.zenimaxonline.eso 0x000000010e828fed ZoThread::ThreadFunc(void*) + 65
6 com.zenimaxonline.eso 0x000000010e829877 (anonymous namespace)::ThreadExecutionFunction(void*) + 82
7 libsystem_pthread.dylib 0x00007fff72420d76 _pthread_start + 125
8 libsystem_pthread.dylib 0x00007fff7241d5d7 thread_start + 15
Thread 12:
0 libsystem_kernel.dylib 0x00007fff723608f6 __psynch_cvwait + 10
1 libsystem_pthread.dylib 0x00007fff72421082 _pthread_cond_wait + 701
2 com.zenimaxonline.eso 0x000000010e826844 ZoTaskQueue::WaitForWork() + 64
3 com.zenimaxonline.eso 0x000000010e826f79 ZoTaskQueueUpdater::Run() + 35
4 com.zenimaxonline.eso 0x000000010b28e96a ZoWorkerThreadUpdater::Run() + 48
5 com.zenimaxonline.eso 0x000000010e828fed ZoThread::ThreadFunc(void*) + 65
6 com.zenimaxonline.eso 0x000000010e829877 (anonymous namespace)::ThreadExecutionFunction(void*) + 82
7 libsystem_pthread.dylib 0x00007fff72420d76 _pthread_start + 125
8 libsystem_pthread.dylib 0x00007fff7241d5d7 thread_start + 15
Thread 13:
0 libsystem_kernel.dylib 0x00007fff723608f6 __psynch_cvwait + 10
1 libsystem_pthread.dylib 0x00007fff72421082 _pthread_cond_wait + 701
2 com.zenimaxonline.eso 0x000000010e826844 ZoTaskQueue::WaitForWork() + 64
3 com.zenimaxonline.eso 0x000000010e826f79 ZoTaskQueueUpdater::Run() + 35
4 com.zenimaxonline.eso 0x000000010e828fed ZoThread::ThreadFunc(void*) + 65
5 com.zenimaxonline.eso 0x000000010e829877 (anonymous namespace)::ThreadExecutionFunction(void*) + 82
6 libsystem_pthread.dylib 0x00007fff72420d76 _pthread_start + 125
7 libsystem_pthread.dylib 0x00007fff7241d5d7 thread_start + 15
Thread 14:
0 libsystem_kernel.dylib 0x00007fff723608f6 __psynch_cvwait + 10
1 libsystem_pthread.dylib 0x00007fff72421082 _pthread_cond_wait + 701
2 com.zenimaxonline.eso 0x000000010c0425bb AK::StreamMgr::CAkIOThread::IOSchedThread(void*) + 75
3 libsystem_pthread.dylib 0x00007fff72420d76 _pthread_start + 125
4 libsystem_pthread.dylib 0x00007fff7241d5d7 thread_start + 15
Thread 15:
0 libsystem_kernel.dylib 0x00007fff7235d182 semaphore_wait_trap + 10
1 com.zenimaxonline.eso 0x000000010bfd9163 CAkThreadedBankMgr::BankThreadFunc(void*) + 51
2 libsystem_pthread.dylib 0x00007fff72420d76 _pthread_start + 125
3 libsystem_pthread.dylib 0x00007fff7241d5d7 thread_start + 15
Thread 16:
0 libsystem_kernel.dylib 0x00007fff7235d182 semaphore_wait_trap + 10
1 com.zenimaxonline.eso 0x000000010bfe046f CAkAudioThread::EventMgrThreadFunc(void*) + 63
2 libsystem_pthread.dylib 0x00007fff72420d76 _pthread_start + 125
3 libsystem_pthread.dylib 0x00007fff7241d5d7 thread_start + 15
Thread 17:
0 libsystem_kernel.dylib 0x00007fff7235d182 semaphore_wait_trap + 10
1 com.zenimaxonline.eso 0x000000010bf9085b CAkOutputMgr::SuspendedThread(void*) + 59
2 libsystem_pthread.dylib 0x00007fff72420d76 _pthread_start + 125
3 libsystem_pthread.dylib 0x00007fff7241d5d7 thread_start + 15
Thread 18:: AMCP Logging Spool
0 libsystem_kernel.dylib 0x00007fff7235d182 semaphore_wait_trap + 10
1 com.apple.audio.caulk 0x00007fff6e439ec6 caulk::mach::semaphore::wait() + 16
2 com.apple.audio.caulk 0x00007fff6e435442 caulk::semaphore::timed_wait(double) + 106
3 com.apple.audio.caulk 0x00007fff6e438a14 caulk::concurrent::details::worker_thread::run() + 30
4 com.apple.audio.caulk 0x00007fff6e438b64 void* caulk::thread_proxy<std::__1::tuple<caulk::thread::attributes, void (caulk::concurrent::details::worker_thread::*)(), std::__1::tuple<caulk::concurrent::details::worker_thread*> > >(void*) + 45
5 libsystem_pthread.dylib 0x00007fff72420d76 _pthread_start + 125
6 libsystem_pthread.dylib 0x00007fff7241d5d7 thread_start + 15
Thread 19:
0 libsystem_kernel.dylib 0x00007fff7235d182 semaphore_wait_trap + 10
1 com.apple.audio.caulk 0x00007fff6e439ec6 caulk::mach::semaphore::wait() + 16
2 com.apple.audio.caulk 0x00007fff6e435442 caulk::semaphore::timed_wait(double) + 106
3 com.apple.audio.caulk 0x00007fff6e438a14 caulk::concurrent::details::worker_thread::run() + 30
4 com.apple.audio.caulk 0x00007fff6e438b64 void* caulk::thread_proxy<std::__1::tuple<caulk::thread::attributes, void (caulk::concurrent::details::worker_thread::*)(), std::__1::tuple<caulk::concurrent::details::worker_thread*> > >(void*) + 45
5 libsystem_pthread.dylib 0x00007fff72420d76 _pthread_start + 125
6 libsystem_pthread.dylib 0x00007fff7241d5d7 thread_start + 15
Thread 20:
0 libsystem_kernel.dylib 0x00007fff7235d19a semaphore_timedwait_trap + 10
1 libdispatch.dylib 0x00007fff721c49eb _dispatch_sema4_timedwait + 76
2 libdispatch.dylib 0x00007fff721c4e12 _dispatch_semaphore_wait_slow + 58
3 libdispatch.dylib 0x00007fff721d2645 _dispatch_worker_thread + 318
4 libsystem_pthread.dylib 0x00007fff72420d76 _pthread_start + 125
5 libsystem_pthread.dylib 0x00007fff7241d5d7 thread_start + 15
Thread 21:: com.apple.audio.IOThread.client
0 libsystem_kernel.dylib 0x00007fff7235d146 mach_msg_trap + 10
1 libsystem_kernel.dylib 0x00007fff7235d6ac mach_msg + 60
2 com.apple.audio.CoreAudio 0x00007fff3a9100c3 HALB_MachPort::SendSimpleMessageWithSimpleReply(unsigned int, unsigned int, int, int&, bool, unsigned int) + 111
3 com.apple.audio.CoreAudio 0x00007fff3a80a462 invocation function for block in HALC_ProxyIOContext::HALC_ProxyIOContext(unsigned int, unsigned int) + 2677
4 com.apple.audio.CoreAudio 0x00007fff3a94061c HALB_IOThread::Entry(void*) + 72
5 libsystem_pthread.dylib 0x00007fff72420d76 _pthread_start + 125
6 libsystem_pthread.dylib 0x00007fff7241d5d7 thread_start + 15
Thread 22:: com.apple.NSEventThread
0 libsystem_kernel.dylib 0x00007fff7235d146 mach_msg_trap + 10
1 libsystem_kernel.dylib 0x00007fff7235d6ac mach_msg + 60
2 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x00007fff3b1ae19b __CFRunLoopServiceMachPort + 322
3 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x00007fff3b1ad737 __CFRunLoopRun + 1695
4 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x00007fff3b1ace13 CFRunLoopRunSpecific + 499
5 com.apple.AppKit 0x00007fff383ea026 _NSEventThread + 132
6 libsystem_pthread.dylib 0x00007fff72420d76 _pthread_start + 125
7 libsystem_pthread.dylib 0x00007fff7241d5d7 thread_start + 15
Thread 23:
0 libsystem_kernel.dylib 0x00007fff723608f6 __psynch_cvwait + 10
1 libsystem_pthread.dylib 0x00007fff72421082 _pthread_cond_wait + 701
2 com.zenimaxonline.eso 0x000000010e80a4c9 ZoJobification::JobManager::JobProcessingThreadFunc(ZoJobification::JobThreadData*) + 363
3 com.zenimaxonline.eso 0x000000010e829877 (anonymous namespace)::ThreadExecutionFunction(void*) + 82
4 libsystem_pthread.dylib 0x00007fff72420d76 _pthread_start + 125
5 libsystem_pthread.dylib 0x00007fff7241d5d7 thread_start + 15
Thread 24:
0 libsystem_kernel.dylib 0x00007fff723608f6 __psynch_cvwait + 10
1 libsystem_pthread.dylib 0x00007fff72421082 _pthread_cond_wait + 701
2 com.zenimaxonline.eso 0x000000010e80a4c9 ZoJobification::JobManager::JobProcessingThreadFunc(ZoJobification::JobThreadData*) + 363
3 com.zenimaxonline.eso 0x000000010e829877 (anonymous namespace)::ThreadExecutionFunction(void*) + 82
4 libsystem_pthread.dylib 0x00007fff72420d76 _pthread_start + 125
5 libsystem_pthread.dylib 0x00007fff7241d5d7 thread_start + 15
Thread 25:
0 libsystem_kernel.dylib 0x00007fff723608f6 __psynch_cvwait + 10
1 libsystem_pthread.dylib 0x00007fff72421082 _pthread_cond_wait + 701
2 com.zenimaxonline.eso 0x000000010e80a4c9 ZoJobification::JobManager::JobProcessingThreadFunc(ZoJobification::JobThreadData*) + 363
3 com.zenimaxonline.eso 0x000000010e829877 (anonymous namespace)::ThreadExecutionFunction(void*) + 82
4 libsystem_pthread.dylib 0x00007fff72420d76 _pthread_start + 125
5 libsystem_pthread.dylib 0x00007fff7241d5d7 thread_start + 15
Thread 26:
0 libsystem_kernel.dylib 0x00007fff723608f6 __psynch_cvwait + 10
1 libsystem_pthread.dylib 0x00007fff72421082 _pthread_cond_wait + 701
2 com.zenimaxonline.eso 0x000000010e80a4c9 ZoJobification::JobManager::JobProcessingThreadFunc(ZoJobification::JobThreadData*) + 363
3 com.zenimaxonline.eso 0x000000010e829877 (anonymous namespace)::ThreadExecutionFunction(void*) + 82
4 libsystem_pthread.dylib 0x00007fff72420d76 _pthread_start + 125
5 libsystem_pthread.dylib 0x00007fff7241d5d7 thread_start + 15
Thread 27:
0 libsystem_kernel.dylib 0x00007fff723608f6 __psynch_cvwait + 10
1 libsystem_pthread.dylib 0x00007fff72421082 _pthread_cond_wait + 701
2 com.zenimaxonline.eso 0x000000010e80a4c9 ZoJobification::JobManager::JobProcessingThreadFunc(ZoJobification::JobThreadData*) + 363
3 com.zenimaxonline.eso 0x000000010e829877 (anonymous namespace)::ThreadExecutionFunction(void*) + 82
4 libsystem_pthread.dylib 0x00007fff72420d76 _pthread_start + 125
5 libsystem_pthread.dylib 0x00007fff7241d5d7 thread_start + 15
Thread 0 crashed with X86 Thread State (64-bit):
rax: 0x0000000000000000 rbx: 0x00007fff3bf4298d rcx: 0x0000000000000000 rdx: 0x0000000000000000
rdi: 0x00006000001d1d80 rsi: 0x00006000018e4fd0 rbp: 0x00007ffee49bbb80 rsp: 0x00007ffee49bbb20
r8: 0x0000000000000050 r9: 0x0000000000000041 r10: 0x000000000000008f r11: 0x0000000000000000
r12: 0x0000000110cedff2 r13: 0x00007fff7bca26e4 r14: 0x000000003b9acdea r15: 0x0000000110cf2810
rip: 0x000000010cf828ff rfl: 0x0000000000010202 cr2: 0x00007fff3bf429ed
now I can't even play
Thabks ZOS for not giving us anything to test, even not now, that Catalina is live
Cherrio