Flip Khajiit and Bosmer stealth passives?

Dusk_Coven · October 2019

Khajiit can smell better than other men and mer, right? For example, Khamira at the Halls of Colossus says she can smell that men were here ahead of them.

So suppose Khajiit are the ones with better Stealth Detection? And Bosmer are better at Stealth Radius Reduction (being typically smaller in size and with a cultural preference for sneakiness in the woods and commando action).

susmitds · October 2019

Add the roll passive, then sure. Otherwise, no way.

Cundu_Ertur · October 2019

To be honest, the detection passive is a bucket of garbage no matter how you slice it. Does absolutely 100% NOTHING outside of PVP-land, and is so insignificant as to be pointless even there. Both Khajiit and Bosmer are supposed to be exceptionally good at stealth, and this has been reflected by both having bonuses in previous games (Bosmer had the higher bonus in Morrowind and Oblivion, Khajiit in Skyrim). The detection bonus should be killed, the corpse shredded, the shreds burned, the ashes doused with stale urine, with the muddy mess then buried in a swamp on a moonless night at midnight.

Gnortranermara · October 2019

IMO both races (plus Argonians - a traditionally stealthy race) should have the stealth radius reduction.

Khajiit traditionally had the Night Eye perk, and Bosmer are hunters, so those two should both have a detection radius increase. (No detection radius increase for Argonians.) This would make sense for all three races lore-wise, and it's fairly balanced too.

Cundu_Ertur · October 2019

SidewalkChalk5 wrote: »

IMO both races (plus Argonians - a traditionally stealthy race) should have the stealth radius reduction.

Khajiit traditionally had the Night Eye perk, and Bosmer are hunters, so those two should both have a detection radius increase. (No detection radius increase for Argonians.) This would make sense for all three races lore-wise, and it's fairly balanced too.

Argonians and Dunmer had a stealth bonus in Skyrim. Argonians also have Shadowscales, while Dunmer have the Morag and Camonna Tongs. So, yeah, there's some lore to support those races having a bonus to sneaking; however, I don't think as strong a bonus. Argonians are as magic oriented as stealth oriented, and Dunmer are jack-of-all-trades. Bosmer and Khajiit are one-trick-ponies -- stealth is their groove. I've previously said I'd like to see Dunmer and Argonians get a 1.5m reduction while Bosmer and Khajiit get the 3m one. If any race should get the burden benefit of the detection bonus, it should be Orcs. Hypervigilant to the point of paranoia, the Orcs are the only race to have lore stating that they are good at spotting people in hiding. Every race has hunters, and the lore explicitly states that Bosmer are great hunters because they are not seen by their prey, not because Bosmer are extra good at spotting things.

Korah_Eaglecry · October 2019

I still feel like they should give players the option. Give each race a bucket list of passives that are in line with the known qualities of the race but not unique to them. Players will choose a set number of passives based on their goal with the character. So Redguards, Orcs and Nords might have similar lists of tanky passives while Khajiit, Bosmer and Argonians might have a similar list of sneaky passives. But those six races might have a mixed bag of other passives for healing and ranged damage. You could still build your Bosmer as a ranged sorcerer if you so choose but it would not negatively impact another player that sought to make their Bosmer into the traditional sneaky rogue like nightblade.

By constantly changing the passives and allowing certain races to corner the market on certain metas, playstyles and class choices. They are doing the opposite of balancing the game.

Araneae6537 · October 2019

I agree it would make more sense for Khajiit to have the detection “bonus” than Bosmer but I wouldn’t wish that pointless passive on any race and both Bosmer and Khajiit have traditionally been the most stealthy and so should both get the reduced detection radius. I don’t know why ZOS changed that; it’s not like it’s the only bonus that characterizes both races.

Dusk_Coven · October 2019

If Stealth Detection is so minor, maybe they can bundle it with Stealth Radius and give Khajiit and Bosmer different amounts of each at each passive tier.

Deathlord92 · October 2019

My Breton king of stealth racial passives don’t determine how good your character is.

DreadDaedroth · October 2019

Give the same bonus to both races they'll not be less unique or different from each other due it.