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Should dizzy swing be nerfed or not?
MeadDrinker02
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Dizzy swing Poll
Edited by MeadDrinker02 on October 6, 2019 7:35AM Should dizzy swing be nerfed or not? 155 votes
Yes
45%
71 votes
No
54%
84 votes
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MeadDrinker02✭✭✭NoI think we should have votes on whether a skill should be nerfed or left alone.. But then again all the NO votes might be from mag users.1
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red_emu✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭NoFor some classes, this is the only good "spammable" and it's still risky to use, hard to land and easily "walked through".
With the removal of stun and decrease in damage, they should also remove cast time or reduce it to something like 0.2 sec. Yes it hits hard but the skill isn't a problem. It's the combination with onslaught. Just because StamSorcs will have a pet (which nobody will use) plus a gimmiky Grim Focus and StamDKs will be throwing pebbles like some freaking Hobbits, doesn't mean that one of the only viable spammables should be nerfed into the grave.PC - EU:
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FearlessOne_2014✭✭✭✭✭
✭NoDizzying Swing is not hard to use. And if someone tries to walk through you. Why not just make sure they can't by stepping back with them?
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Vapirko✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭NoIt just shouldnt have the CC removed. The damage could come down a bit as it did but this is a really iconic skill and it was so useless for such a long time. It’s a shame they’re nuking it.1 -
Canned_Apples✭✭✭✭✭
✭The CC does not make this ability any more or less viable and "walking through it" does not work since they sped up the cast time and animation.
A high damage spammable + cc + combo opener is not balanced.4 -
Deathlord92✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes unless they fix the bug I hate not seeing the animation I hate getting hit by dizzy swing from sniper range and when breaking line of sight and the horrible buggy stun. What makes dizzy swing so op are these bugs and they are game breaking especially when your in medium armor.2 -
leepalmer95✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭YesYes both the dmg and cc nerf is justified, its not hard to medium weave next patch but such a hard hitting skill should not have a cc attached to it.
Pretty sure zos is clear on cc being on spamables. They removed it on frag, they removed it on clench and now they've done it to dizzy.
If you want a stun, learn to time a medium weave or slot the fighters guild fear.PS4 EU DC
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max_only✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭leepalmer95 wrote: »Yes both the dmg and cc nerf is justified, its not hard to medium weave next patch but such a hard hitting skill should not have a cc attached to it.
Pretty sure zos is clear on cc being on spamables. They removed it on frag, they removed it on clench and now they've done it to dizzy.
If you want a stun, learn to time a medium weave or slot the fighters guild fear.
I slot that fear. It doesn’t even hold them for 1 gcd. Have you used it? Even combined with dizzy swing it doesn’t lock down a single potato.
Landing a dizzy swing is not easy. If you are filled with them in your death recap, bind “break free” to a key or become more situationally aware.
Sincerely, a pvp noob that doesn’t get killed or get any kills from dizzy swing.#FiteForYourRite Bosmer = Stealth
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stephbay123✭✭✭YesDon’t see the issue here. It is a very hard hitting spammable cc. Cc has been removed from other skills and people need to make a choice between a harder hitting skill or a weak hitting cc.7
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ArchMikem✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭YesAll im gonna say, is when it actually lands, it ruins your day.CP2,100 Master Explorer - AvA Two Star Warlord - Console Peasant - Khajiiti Aficionado - The Clan
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Vhozek✭✭✭✭✭
✭NoI don't understand why people wanna nerf it.
There are more skills in the game that stun you like that.𝗡𝗼𝘁 𝘀𝗼𝗿𝗿𝘆, 𝗺𝗼𝗱𝘀. 𝗙𝗿𝗲𝗲 𝗕𝗶𝗿𝗱 𝘄𝗮𝘀 𝗽𝗹𝗮𝘆𝗶𝗻𝗴.1 -
StormeReigns✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭NoI don't understand why people wanna nerf it.
There are more skills in the game that stun you like that.
Reverberating Bash is often over looked, can crit twice. Making it a total burst combo greater than a single Dizzy Swing crit (even with impreg). Same with a 3-to-4x stack (god forbid if some fool lets them stack to 10) on power slam does more crit / damage than Dizzy. Both can be used without a cast time unlike DSwing and just as cheap in stamina and vastly easier to combo with other hard hitting skills.
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RaveRaveRaveRave✭✭✭YesI vote Yes. Every scrub is spamming (sad) it and relying on it in anything you do PVP.1
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✭✭NoRaveRaveRaveRave wrote: »I vote Yes. Every scrub is spamming (sad) it and relying on it in anything you do PVP.
Well, if it is being spammed on you in every PvP encounter like your post history suggests - maybe, just maybe just moving ever so slightly or even roll dodging to the left or right might actually be more vital than just standing still (sadder) and letting it be spammed on you.5 -
RaveRaveRaveRave✭✭✭YesRaveRaveRaveRave wrote: »I vote Yes. Every scrub is spamming (sad) it and relying on it in anything you do PVP.
Well, if it is being spammed on you in every PvP encounter like your post history suggests - maybe, just maybe just moving ever so slightly or even roll dodging to the left or right might actually be more vital than just standing still (sadder) and letting it be spammed on you.
Sounds like you must be relying on it for all your cheap, easy kills.
I love the deniers. Yeah, you're right. I just stand there and let it be spammed on me.6 -
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✭✭NoRaveRaveRaveRave wrote: »I vote Yes. Every scrub is spamming (sad) it and relying on it in anything you do PVP.
What other spammable would stamsorc, stamDK, stamden, or stamcro use? Reverse Slice, Steel Tornado? Need some other damage behind them to scale well. Flurry? Clunky in a mobile fight. Crushing Weapon? Unreliable. Fighters Guild crossbow? Expensive, and slow animation. Power Bash, or any other sword and board option? People will get that nerfed, too, due to the utility and defense sword and board provides.4 -
RaveRaveRaveRave✭✭✭YesRaveRaveRaveRave wrote: »I vote Yes. Every scrub is spamming (sad) it and relying on it in anything you do PVP.
What other spammable would stamsorc, stamDK, stamden, or stamcro use? Reverse Slice, Steel Tornado? Need some other damage behind them to scale well. Flurry? Clunky in a mobile fight. Crushing Weapon? Unreliable. Fighters Guild crossbow? Expensive, and slow animation. Power Bash, or any other sword and board option? People will get that nerfed, too, due to the utility and defense sword and board provides.
Aka every current stam build in PVP which is why so many are currently annoyed by scrubs relying on it. If you get hit by it, you're screwed. Esp 1 v Xing a bunch of nerds that have to rely on it. Eventually one is gonna get through, knock you up in the air and stun you (While you are getting hit by all kinds of other things at the same time). Everyone has it slotted on their proverbial x button ready to go and hope they knock someone with it.3 -
Vapirko✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭NoRaveRaveRaveRave wrote: »RaveRaveRaveRave wrote: »I vote Yes. Every scrub is spamming (sad) it and relying on it in anything you do PVP.
What other spammable would stamsorc, stamDK, stamden, or stamcro use? Reverse Slice, Steel Tornado? Need some other damage behind them to scale well. Flurry? Clunky in a mobile fight. Crushing Weapon? Unreliable. Fighters Guild crossbow? Expensive, and slow animation. Power Bash, or any other sword and board option? People will get that nerfed, too, due to the utility and defense sword and board provides.
Aka every current stam build in PVP which is why so many are currently annoyed by scrubs relying on it. If you get hit by it, you're screwed. Esp 1 v Xing a bunch of nerds that have to rely on it. Eventually one is gonna get through, knock you up in the air and stun you (While you are getting hit by all kinds of other things at the same time). Everyone has it slotted on their proverbial x button ready to go and hope they knock someone with it.
That’s the dangers of 1vX chief. Any CC can ruin your day 1vX.3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭YesDizzy nerf should be reverted on the same day they revert all the dumb nerfs to Destructive Reach.#CAREBEARMASTERRACE1 -
gronoxvx✭✭✭✭✭YesRaveRaveRaveRave wrote: »I vote Yes. Every scrub is spamming (sad) it and relying on it in anything you do PVP.
Well, if it is being spammed on you in every PvP encounter like your post history suggests - maybe, just maybe just moving ever so slightly or even roll dodging to the left or right might actually be more vital than just standing still (sadder) and letting it be spammed on you.
Cant do much if you are 1vX'ing a whole team of stam dks in bgs who spam it continuously.
I for one welcome the nerf.
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✭✭NoRaveRaveRaveRave wrote: »RaveRaveRaveRave wrote: »I vote Yes. Every scrub is spamming (sad) it and relying on it in anything you do PVP.
Well, if it is being spammed on you in every PvP encounter like your post history suggests - maybe, just maybe just moving ever so slightly or even roll dodging to the left or right might actually be more vital than just standing still (sadder) and letting it be spammed on you.
Sounds like you must be relying on it for all your cheap, easy kills.
I love the deniers. Yeah, you're right. I just stand there and let it be spammed on me.
Interesting that i not once denied it, care to point it out? Just pointing out how you have well over 70+ comments complaining about Dizzy, mostly in a 1v1 situation. Interesting that the biggest counter to it is a simple roll dodge. Also, i prefer Bash. As stated above, combos well into shalks and gripping shards quite well and can dish out more damage twice as fast for just as cheap. So please, focus on the one that can be easily countered. Makes my kills come that much easier as you throw your tantrums and turn a blind eye.1 -
stephbay123✭✭✭YesRaveRaveRaveRave wrote: »RaveRaveRaveRave wrote: »I vote Yes. Every scrub is spamming (sad) it and relying on it in anything you do PVP.
Well, if it is being spammed on you in every PvP encounter like your post history suggests - maybe, just maybe just moving ever so slightly or even roll dodging to the left or right might actually be more vital than just standing still (sadder) and letting it be spammed on you.
Sounds like you must be relying on it for all your cheap, easy kills.
I love the deniers. Yeah, you're right. I just stand there and let it be spammed on me.
Interesting that i not once denied it, care to point it out? Just pointing out how you have well over 70+ comments complaining about Dizzy, mostly in a 1v1 situation. Interesting that the biggest counter to it is a simple roll dodge. Also, i prefer Bash. As stated above, combos well into shalks and gripping shards quite well and can dish out more damage twice as fast for just as cheap. So please, focus on the one that can be easily countered. Makes my kills come that much easier as you throw your tantrums and turn a blind eye.
Many cannot roll dodge over and over to dodge the spams. Those that spam dizzying swing will have stamina to roll dodge over and over to dodge other spammables. The point is it should either be a stun with very low damage or high damage with no stun- just as has happened to many other skills.1 -
Juhasow✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭They should make cast time longer again and resolve the issue od breaking free from knockback. All issues started when cast time became shorter then abilities global cooldown so You could always land 2nd dizzy before enemy could break free from knockback applied by 1st one.0 -
Qbiken✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭NoEmma_Overload wrote: »Dizzy nerf should be reverted on the same day they revert all the dumb nerfs to Destructive Reach.
Give me that 28m+ range (or whatever it was/is) to dizzying swing and then we'll talk.1 -
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But dodge roll doesn’t always work I’m sure you have had it when dizzy swing connects while you are dodge rolling and as your coming off a dodge roll. Like I said before the skill is completely broken if these bugs happen and your in medium armour.RaveRaveRaveRave wrote: »I vote Yes. Every scrub is spamming (sad) it and relying on it in anything you do PVP.
Well, if it is being spammed on you in every PvP encounter like your post history suggests - maybe, just maybe just moving ever so slightly or even roll dodging to the left or right might actually be more vital than just standing still (sadder) and letting it be spammed on you.
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hasi✭✭✭✭NoLeave Dizzy alone, it already got a huge Nerf in the past and is pretty balanced now.
Just because you (personally) can't counter it, doesn't mean it's "OP as [Snip] OMG YO".🙄
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leepalmer95✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭YesRaveRaveRaveRave wrote: »I vote Yes. Every scrub is spamming (sad) it and relying on it in anything you do PVP.
What other spammable would stamsorc, stamDK, stamden, or stamcro use? Reverse Slice, Steel Tornado? Need some other damage behind them to scale well. Flurry? Clunky in a mobile fight. Crushing Weapon? Unreliable. Fighters Guild crossbow? Expensive, and slow animation. Power Bash, or any other sword and board option? People will get that nerfed, too, due to the utility and defense sword and board provides.
You can still use dizzy? its still going to be a spamable?
You'll have to do more than use 1 button as your offense + cc now. Try slotting a cc. Or learn to medium weave.PS4 EU DC
Current CP : 756+
I have every character level 50, both a magicka and stamina version.
RIP my effort to get 5x v16 characters...5
