Has anyone else noticed odd stuff with stealth, stealth line of sight, and theft odds?

Aptonoth · October 2019

I've played ESO for an entire year and have stolen my daily limit almost every single day of the year. I would like to preface this post by saying this so people understand where my experience comes from. I don't think this is simply a "random" bad luck streak at all but I'm beginning to wonder if there is something wrong with the stealth and theft back end?

My first problem I started to notice was that even with 100% chance to steal and in hidden mode I am failing lots of these. About 3 in 10 of every 100% chance to steal is failing now ever since about a few months ago.

The next big issue I had starting around the same time is glitchy line of sight. I am beginning to wonder if they are gutting the stealth systems in some manner to make up for performance elsewhere. I'm regularly having weirs failures in the line of sight system where guards and other stuff doesn't have line of sight to me but can somehow see me steal or kill way outside the usual range or line of sight they should be.

Another one that I think was the hardest to be certain on is the I think the loot system got even worse the past I would say that about 4 months ago these started but its getting worse and worse and I had to have enough data on my end to not think its a mere losing streak. But even 80 and 90's chances to successfully steal something are failing at an extremely high rate. I would say its about a 40% chance I'm failing 90%'s for the last two months straight. Even worse for 80%.

Has anyone else noticed weird stuff like this going on in ESO in the past 2-3 months? I feel like my odds of thieving are getting worse and worse its kind of ridiculous makes stealing a joke if its a 50/50% chance I'm going to get caught even if it may say its higher.

Dusk_Coven · October 2019

Blade of Woe LOS issues (at least I think it is issues related to calculating LOS and the subsequent ability to animate and complete the assassination) has always had issues especially when approaching from any kind of slope.

I've also had 100% steal chance flunk on me but it's very rare. A guildie suggested the window of opportunity flipped right when I clicked and I suppose that is possible and I hit the resulting 95% or 85% or whatever.

One time I was behind a wall when I opened a thief cache and the NPC behind that wall gave me a bounty <.< I reported it as a bug.

Partomax · October 2019

Dusk_Coven wrote: »

A guildie suggested the window of opportunity flipped right when I clicked and I suppose that is possible and I hit the resulting 95% or 85% or whatever.

This has happened to me on some occasions, although it was somewhat noticeable if I was paying attention. I'd assume that if it happens on the perfect timing it might be nearly noticeable, but with your amount of experience I'd expect you to have realized that at least a couple of times if that was the problem.

SeaGtGruff · October 2019

I know there are certain cases where line of sight seems to not make a difference.

For instance, whenever I go into the bank at Daggerfall I must steal the stacks of gold that are lying on the desks, for no other reason than they're there.

The guard by the one desk faces one way, then after a bit he or she turns about 90 degrees and faces the other way. Most of the time, if the guard is facing away from the stacks of gold, you can stand behind him or her a good bit and take the gold without being seen.

But if the guard is facing the stacks of gold, sometimes you can crouch behind him or her and take the gold, whereas other times he or she knows you're back there-- even though you're not in the line of sight-- so if you try to take the gold you'll get caught. In those cases, you can stand over closer to the fireplace and it says you're hidden-- even though you should clearly be in the guard's peripheral vision-- and you can steal the gold without getting caught.

So most of the time you must go by the "hidden" or "detected" caption-- except sometimes there's no caption, and the eye is mostly closed, so you might think that you're hidden when in fact you're detected.

And there are certain cases where you can successfully steal even though the caption says "detected," as long as the only NPC there is facing away from you and is far enough away. A good example is the lady who lives across from the Saint Delyn Penthouse. If you want to steal from the urn that's on the floor just inside her doorway on the right, you have to crouch by the dresser and wait for her to walk over to the dresser. Then, after a bit, when she turns and walks back to the other side of the room you can steal from the urn after she's about halfway across the room, and she won't see you even though you're still "detected" (because she hasn't forgotten that you're there).

KMarble · October 2019

My first problem I started to notice was that even with 100% chance to steal and in hidden mode I am failing lots of these. About 3 in 10 of every 100% chance to steal is failing now ever since about a few months ago.

Very rarely I get caught at 100%. The few times it happened I chalked it up to the percentage changing while I hit the button. I try to make sure that both the visual (numbers turning green) and audio (the "ding" sound) clues happened before stealing.

I'm regularly having weirs failures in the line of sight system where guards and other stuff doesn't have line of sight to me but can somehow see me steal or kill way outside the usual range or line of sight they should be.

Same. But I've been having this issue for a long time - even before there were talks about performance improvements.

Another one that I think was the hardest to be certain on is the I think the loot system got even worse the past I would say that about 4 months ago these started but its getting worse and worse and I had to have enough data on my end to not think its a mere losing streak. But even 80 and 90's chances to successfully steal something are failing at an extremely high rate. I would say its about a 40% chance I'm failing 90%'s for the last two months straight. Even worse for 80%.

For me, it's been the other way around. I've been failing way less at 90% and even 75% than when I first started stealing.