theshockcable wrote: »

The question is about stream snipping actually watching someone's stream to gain tactical advantage and stream snipe.
So, this means i'm asking a ZOS employee if it's breaking the tos seeing is as it's using a third party to gain an advantage over a player.

What? They are not using any third party software to gain or manipulate information from the game, they are literally just watching a stream you knowingly provide. By that logic looking up guides is "gaining a advantage over a player" as well.

I just here came for the fun

Shockable the guy who calls anyone who kills him a cheater or a stream sniper. The question you should be asking is if falsely reporting ''speed cheating'' and getting your viewers to mass report them is against TOS.

lmao how is this a real issue. just don't stream if you are that concerned about ppl knowing where you are

Is this like "ghosting" in Counter-Strike? If so, I think it seems un-ethical and shady, but I don't know if it counts as cheating.

What part of the ToS do you propose "stream sniping" would even be against? I read them and nothing appears to mention using social media to gain knowledge of another player's location or perspective. Professional gaming organizations, as well as other casual streamers, mitigate this by using a delay on their stream. This tool is 100% available to you if you believe that this is happening.

There's nothing I found in ToS about using social media to "gain an advantage" over another player. If you tweet your location, is someone "tweet sniping" you by reading it? You're making this information public by streaming

To directly contradict what someone said above, stream sniping does not appear to be described in the ToS section about what you cannot do regarding harassment:

Harass, stalk, threaten, embarrass, spam or do anything else to another user of any Services that is unwanted, such as repeatedly sending unwanted messages or making personal attacks or statements about race, sexual orientation, religion, heritage, etc.;

They do, however, include "bullying" as behavior that goes against the ToS:

Take any action, organize, transmit any Content, effectuate or participate in any activity, group, or guild that is harmful, tortuous, abusive, hateful (including “hate speech”), racially, ethnically, religiously or otherwise offensive, obscene, threatening, bullying, vulgar, sexually explicit, defamatory, libelous, infringing, invasive of personal privacy or publicity rights, encourages conduct that would violate a law or is, in a reasonable person's view, objectionable and/or deemed to be in the sole discretion of ZeniMax inappropriate;

Which wouldn't punish your killers for watching your stream (which is in fact the point of streaming), but you could cite it in a report if you felt they were maliciously targeting you in a bullying way. But that's pretty subjective. And I feel proving it would be difficult to impossible. How do you even know someone is stream sniping?

theshockcable wrote: »

The question is about stream snipping actually watching someone's stream to gain tactical advantage and stream snipe.
So, this means i'm asking a ZOS employee if it's breaking the tos seeing is as it's using a third party to gain an advantage over a player.

By this definition you would also be breaking the tos since your using it to show your allies where you and the enemy are so they can quickly join thus giving you an advantage and to voice communicate with them which also gives you an advantage over a player as well. You can't have both ways, use it to benefit yourself and friends but expect people to be banned and blocked for using it against you.

In the same tone, groups using discord and what not to communicate would also be guilty

Except of course they aren't. If you chose to broadcast your position and activities then either put a delay on it or deal with the consequences like every other streamer does.

if you use OBS you can build in a delay to your stream of say 180 seconds so where you are on your twitch is always 3mins behind your actual in game location, i NEVER stream PvP without at least a 3min delay

just as a side note your "disclaimer/privacy notification" is invalid as your stream is public domain once you stream you have no rights to privacy or claim against anybody using that stream. just a friendly FYI

Apparently criticism is off topic, that's new. Maybe using the report function to threaten other players is against the TOS as well? But sure, report me for trolling if it makes you feel better.

Word of caution. No answer will satisfy him, and he's going to make nonsensical threats (mainly because he can't insult your mother on the forums). Just ignore him, and he'll go away. Eventually. Maybe.
Also he's probably going to have an aneuryism trying to respond to this.