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Do you believe the combat team is moving this game in the right direction?

SirLeeMinion
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There are a multitude of threads discussing things like change fatigue, the magnitude of buff / nerf cycles, loss of class identity or distinctiveness, incorporation of PTS feedback, and declines in the active player base. With the next PTS patch notes due after the weekend, this is likely the best time for ZOS to openly acknowledge what appears to be significant player concern and opposition or, alternatively, to confidently proceed along the same path because they have better metrics and vision than players do. Would a poll might help them choose their course? Reply, comment, and let's see...

Do you believe the combat team is moving this game in the right direction? 269 votes

Yes. They've got this.
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No. They need to reconsider what they are doing.
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  • Van_Winkle
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    No. They need to reconsider what they are doing.
    The combat team is moving this game right into the grave.
  • Edaphon
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    Hard to say. The direction changes every 3 months.
  • Zacuel
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    Iunno. Other I guess.
  • OlumoGarbag
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    No. They need to reconsider what they are doing.
    Lol no
    class representative for the working class, non-cp, bwb and Trolling
  • SosRuvaak
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    No. They need to reconsider what they are doing.
    ive seen this game go through many changes since beta, some i didnt like, some i did... however since recently i cant justify the changes to the game even making sense.
    the comments to the notes are backwards and dont really reflect the 'goal' or 'focus' that zenimax claims they have.
    i just see complaints and zenimax focusing on the wrong things....even housing isnt right, and thats something the community begged for, for a long time. its a moneyhole, and zenimax has focused soo much on the money holes of ESO rather than the things that makes it playable.
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  • JumpmanLane
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    No. They need to reconsider what they are doing.
    There is no path. There wouldn’t be buff/nerf ping pong if there was a legit path. Things would be set in stone. Period.

    Then there’s this silly idea of skill standardization across classes. If skills that do different things are lumped together and all the skills are made to do the same damage, when one or two odd ball skills end up overtuned, ALL skills get nerfed?

    Finally, changes no one asked for get implemented WITHOUT testing. Perhaps it’s time for a new direction. Maybe it’s time for a fresh start.

    I’d be all for IMBALANCE as long as the game was fun. This constant fiddling with the combat isn’t fun. Wrobel had his issues. The game was FUN when he held the reins, no matter HOW broken it was...
    Edited by JumpmanLane on September 28, 2019 6:54AM
  • SosRuvaak
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    No. They need to reconsider what they are doing.
    where do they even go from here????

    they wont admit theyve screwed up. i dont see them even reverting things after this much change.
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  • Ashtaris
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    No. They need to reconsider what they are doing.
    I’ve pretty much stopped playing until I see what is actually going to be released as update 24. When that happens, I’ll decide to return or take an extended break until the Dev team gets their act together.
  • Bobby_V_Rockit
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    Yes. They've got this.
    Sure, why not. Yippy whippy!
  • FearlessOne_2014
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    It's too early to tell honestly. Will have to wait and see.
  • JumpmanLane
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    No. They need to reconsider what they are doing.
    Ashtaris wrote: »
    I’ve pretty much stopped playing until I see what is actually going to be released as update 24. When that happens, I’ll decide to return or take an extended break until the Dev team gets their act together.

    I haven’t stopped playing because MagDk with overtuned Structured Entropy is BROKEN fun. Ele Drain, Structured Entropy, Resto heavy DROPS POTATOES.

    I take my lumps against Templars for my guilty pleasure. Lol. I don’t even get mad lol.
  • Major_Lag
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    No. They need to reconsider what they are doing.
    If "towards the trash heap" is OP's idea of what can be considered a "right direction", then I suppose the answer would be "yes". :D

    And anyway, how can we be even talking about any kind of "direction", when the very same skills are getting buffed by ~100% and then nerfed by ~60% the very next patch???

    That's not a "direction", it's just a load of bull.
  • Dojohoda
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    I don't know, I am dizzy.
    Fan of playing magblade since 2015. (PC NA)
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  • Ingel_Riday
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    No. They need to reconsider what they are doing.
    I'd say no, but I don't know what they're aiming for. I don't know how far along their "combat audit" is, I don't know what they intend each class identity to be (ESO claimed dragonknights were attrition-based, but the soul-crushing dot nerfs to a class focused on dots don't really support this claim at all), I don't know why we're getting wild buff / nerf swings every three months instead of measured tweaks as they figure out their big future overhaul, and so on.

    From my perspective as a consumer, it seems chaotic and lacking direction. It kind of makes me afraid to get too attached to any characters I build because I don't know what is going to happen to them three months down the road. Having fun, pet sorcerers? One of your pets scales based on stamina now! Yay?

    But yeah, so it goes. I don't imagine the combat team is going to back down on any of their nerfs and I don't think we're going to get any more information outside the launcher news post. I think we're just out of luck.
  • idk
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    Pretty sure it is far to early to tell as we have not seen the entire package. Those voting that the devs are not going in the right direction are pretty much voicing they do not like change or do not like changes or lack of changes to specific skills.

    No one that will reply in this thread, and especially no one that would vote in the poll, knows the full picture of what this new vision for combat will look like once the process is complete.

    With that, Zos would do well to actually communicate the full picture instead of piece mealing information to us. It would go a long way to instilling some confidence they actually are getting a grasp on this once and for all vs just shooting darts in the dark like we have seen the past few years.
  • Hapexamendios
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    No. They need to reconsider what they are doing.
    No, given what’s been going on I don’t even think they play the game.
  • SosRuvaak
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    No. They need to reconsider what they are doing.
    No, given what’s been going on I don’t even think they play the game.

    "BUt ThE sTREaMs ThoUgh"



    they dont play much of the game, thats why they have community ambassadors, its unfortunately not enough....
    the devs should really spend more time focusing on the community and the feedback on forums. i see soo much feedback on the forums that goes ignored.
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  • Kurat
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    OP, is this you Greta?

    Lmfao. Everyone needs to stop being so dramatic. The world doesn't end, the game is not dead, and yes, you can still complete content after the patch. Just minor dps loss. Adapt, tweek, and play on
  • Cadbury
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    "If a person is truly desirous of something, perhaps being set on fire does not seem so bad."
  • Schattenfluegel
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    Yes. They've got this.
    We'll see tomorrow...
    Love my Stamsorc
  • CynicK
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    No. They need to reconsider what they are doing.
    No, this poll has 39 votes at the moment and they base they nerfs by quantities such as this.

    I do not know what to do if I have to post in every nerf thread git gut l2p and you have no skill so when they say they recieve feedback they can say they got feedback they have to nerf something but we also got feedback that people got no skill.

    I do not like this lurches of first we buff then we nerf and nerf other skills too because that was too much of a nerf for them to be useful. The game has changed too much for the few months I have been playing.
  • Kel
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    No. They need to reconsider what they are doing.
    While we long time players can understand change somewhat, even to this degree and for this game, the last few patches have been unprecedented. Huge swings of buffing and nerfing.

    My heart really goes out to the new players and so called "refugees" though. Imagine trying to enter this world trying to get your legs under you and seeing the sands shift this wildly.

    Imagine trying to recommend this game and explaining how often you can count on seeing your character and abilities will change.

    Maybe in the future things will level out. Maybe they do actually have a solid foundation in times ahead. It would go a long way to speak on that, however, rather than trying to be cute and "suprise" us, or "subvert expectation" like so many franchises seem to be fond of lately. (To disastrous results, but that's debatable)

    C'mon Zos. Stop trying to tell us what identity is...we know...and perhaps let us know where this road is leading. Otherwise you are just appearing a tad schizophrenic in your balancing efforts.
    Edited by Kel on September 28, 2019 8:56AM
  • FierceSam
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    I don’t know, none of the ‘changes’ have happened yet.

    I like the fact that there is a plan. I like that they have begun to articulate it.

    I have no idea whether I will like the changes
  • Varana
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    No. They need to reconsider what they are doing.
    idk wrote: »
    Pretty sure it is far to early to tell as we have not seen the entire package. Those voting that the devs are not going in the right direction are pretty much voicing they do not like change or do not like changes or lack of changes to specific skills.

    With that, Zos would do well to actually communicate the full picture instead of piece mealing information to us. It would go a long way to instilling some confidence they actually are getting a grasp on this once and for all vs just shooting darts in the dark like we have seen the past few years.

    I rather get the impression that change itself would be fine, wildly swinging changes without a noticeable direction are not.
    The question was "do you believe". And the last two patches including their live stream have managed to severely shatter that belief.
    So yes, your last paragraph is spot on - with the added caveat that the changes that they then implement will conform to that plan. Writing some nicely-sounding dev statement while throwing random stuff at the wall in the background is not an unreasonable scenario, at this point. In the meantime, lacking communication, we're left with inferring their goals from the changes they do implement, and it's pretty hard to impossible to gauge any meaningful combat direction from the Scalebreaker and Dragonhold changes.
    Hence the vote.
    Edited by Varana on September 28, 2019 9:50AM
  • Nemesis7884
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    No. They need to reconsider what they are doing.
    undecided...but i fail to see the grand master strategy and why thwy constantly move from one extreme to the other
  • Tandor
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    Yes. They've got this.
    I think they're moving in the right direction, but of course no particular direction can ever satisfy everyone. I think there's a valid discussion to be had over the timing and scale of the resulting changes, as in whether they are making too substantial changes too often and should ease off or perhaps speed up the changes and get them over and done with.

    I think there's also an argument that they should create an additional PTS that is permanently up and running, with all the changes extensively tested on that server over the whole period of the audit review so that those players most concerned with these issues can run the odd character on that server and provide effective ongoing feedback rather than simply (over)reacting to sudden changes that run on the PTS for a week or two before the PTS is switched to the other region's characters. The viability of such a server would, of course, depend on the number of players willing to devote time to it but my experience elsewhere suggests that when a PTS is permanently set up and running without so far as possible any character wipes then individual players as well as whole guilds are prepared to play more or less fully on it. It may be that this PTS would be the existing one with a different working arrangement and with no need therefore for an additional separate one.
  • Major_Lag
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    No. They need to reconsider what they are doing.
    Tandor wrote: »
    I think there's also an argument that they should create an additional PTS that is permanently up and running, with all the changes extensively tested on that server over the whole period of the audit review (...)
    LOL, dude, we don't need any more test servers - ZOS doesn't even listen to feedback from the existing one :D
  • Tommy_The_Gun
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    No. They need to reconsider what they are doing.
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  • Ysbriel
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    No. They need to reconsider what they are doing.
    Put it this way, the have been nerfing class and skills since the early days, apparently every time someone figured how to make it work as intended or as the the Nerfing Guilds here call it (over performing) because they are not able to figure it out , this being said i will contradict myself on my “NO” answer and YES they most likely know what they are doing but it’s simply not in our best interest.
  • Recent
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    No. They need to reconsider what they are doing.
    No. I believe that this combat overhaul is geared towards players having to buy skill lines from the store.
    I sense a very aggressive marketing team pushing for these changes. It's just the timing that caught me eye on this one....they have no shame whatsoever.
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