Is DK tank useless after this next patch?

Iskiab · September 2019

Stebarnz wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

Aerenel wrote: »

DK/Templar healers, NB/Warden tanks, Necro/Sorc dps.

You get all the passives and buffs you need and the least weak classes remaining to do damage.

Almost right:
NB and DK tanks
Warden and Templar healer
Necro and Sorc dps

You’re crazy if you run a Warden tank instead of a DK. DKs haven’t been nerfed at all and lack the aoe healing and sustain to pve heal, people are either trolling or ignorant.

You talking purely trials?

Yea trials. A warden tank works but a warden healer works better, a warden tank can give the health buff in theory but not well in practice.

It’s like DK healers, they have major mending in theory but not in practice. Cinder storm also isn’t very good.

Comps only matter in score guilds but for those who min-max everything what class will fill what role won’t change this patch.

Stebarnz · September 2019

Iskiab wrote: »

Stebarnz wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

Aerenel wrote: »

DK/Templar healers, NB/Warden tanks, Necro/Sorc dps.

You get all the passives and buffs you need and the least weak classes remaining to do damage.

Almost right:
NB and DK tanks
Warden and Templar healer
Necro and Sorc dps

You’re crazy if you run a Warden tank instead of a DK. DKs haven’t been nerfed at all and lack the aoe healing and sustain to pve heal, people are either trolling or ignorant.

You talking purely trials?

Yea trials. A warden tank works but a warden healer works better, a warden tank can give the health buff in theory but not well in practice.

It’s like DK healers, they have major mending in theory but not in practice. Cinder storm also isn’t very good.

Comps only matter in score guilds but for those who min-max everything what class will fill what role won’t change this patch.

In trials DK probably still going to be best, In 4 man warden probably better due to application of minor vuln, mob cc, heals and good sustain. Other 3 can then concentrate on dps

FrancisCrawford · September 2019

Stebarnz wrote: »

In trials DK probably still going to be best, In 4 man warden probably better due to application of minor vuln, mob cc, heals and good sustain. Other 3 can then concentrate on dps

Health-based heals or magicka-based?

And if minor vulnerability why not off-balance as well? (I conflate those because a traditional way to get both is via Concussion/Lightning Wall.)

Stebarnz · September 2019

FrancisCrawford wrote: »

Stebarnz wrote: »

In trials DK probably still going to be best, In 4 man warden probably better due to application of minor vuln, mob cc, heals and good sustain. Other 3 can then concentrate on dps

Health-based heals or magicka-based?

And if minor vulnerability why not off-balance as well? (I conflate those because a traditional way to get both is via Concussion/Lightning Wall.)

Ye both, warden will apply minor vuln from 1 skill (swarm) and I think next patch is changed how off balance is applied. Like dizzy swing no longer KnockBack it applies off balance.

Not sure if lightning staff still gives it. Maybe wrong it maybe concussion, also have to see what they change on release.

Im sure I worked it out warden has a big tool kit for buff and debuff where as they took away a lot from DK,

I read them and tested but got depressed so left it a bit lol, hope they change a few things.

Sanguinor2 · September 2019

Iskiab wrote: »

Yea trials. A warden tank works but a warden healer works better, a warden tank can give the health buff in theory but not well in practice.

It’s like DK healers, they have major mending in theory but not in practice. Cinder storm also isn’t very good.

Comps only matter in score guilds but for those who min-max everything what class will fill what role won’t change this patch.

Warden tank just Needs to place one blood altar and done, everyone gets toughness.
Dk tank will offer Nothing but minor brutality to the group, and if you run in a Group with mag dps aka where engulfing is relevant you will have a magdk dps using it anyway to get the full 10% so you also have minor brutality. In stuff where the tank Needs to survive alone I can still see dk being good, between battleroar and the Option to use Magma Shell when in Trouble but in Terms of Group Utility you wont Need dk tanks anymore.

Stebarnz · September 2019

Sanguinor2 wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

Yea trials. A warden tank works but a warden healer works better, a warden tank can give the health buff in theory but not well in practice.

It’s like DK healers, they have major mending in theory but not in practice. Cinder storm also isn’t very good.

Comps only matter in score guilds but for those who min-max everything what class will fill what role won’t change this patch.

Warden tank just Needs to place one blood altar and done, everyone gets toughness.
Dk tank will offer Nothing but minor brutality to the group, and if you run in a Group with mag dps aka where engulfing is relevant you will have a magdk dps using it anyway to get the full 10% so you also have minor brutality. In stuff where the tank Needs to survive alone I can still see dk being good, between battleroar and the Option to use Magma Shell when in Trouble but in Terms of Group Utility you wont Need dk tanks anymore.

Ye, I think they have given warden a larger tool box to buff group and debuff mobs if patch stays like that.

Ragnarock41 · September 2019

The only nerf Dk tank took this patch is the engulfing flames fire debuff change which now scales with spell damage.

I'm sure DK is still the best tank, as it always was.

Asardes · September 2019

Sanguinor2 wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

Yea trials. A warden tank works but a warden healer works better, a warden tank can give the health buff in theory but not well in practice.

It’s like DK healers, they have major mending in theory but not in practice. Cinder storm also isn’t very good.

Comps only matter in score guilds but for those who min-max everything what class will fill what role won’t change this patch.

Warden tank just Needs to place one blood altar and done, everyone gets toughness.
Dk tank will offer Nothing but minor brutality to the group, and if you run in a Group with mag dps aka where engulfing is relevant you will have a magdk dps using it anyway to get the full 10% so you also have minor brutality. In stuff where the tank Needs to survive alone I can still see dk being good, between battleroar and the Option to use Magma Shell when in Trouble but in Terms of Group Utility you wont Need dk tanks anymore.

Warden doesn't even need to place Blood Altar to get Minor Lifesteal and thus proc Minor Toughness trough passives (Green Balance: Maturation). It suffices to use Leeching Vines for the same effect. They get hit, enemy gets Minor Lifesteal, everyone hitting it gets Minor Toughness as a result. The only upside of Undaunted: Overflowing Altar is the synergy for the burst heal and the fact it costs health instead of magicka. Also he can proc that passive using an AoE heal like Echoing Vigor, Budding Seeds, Soothing Spores.

nejcn001 · September 2019

Yes change class, DK is useless next patch, so bad, very useless, change now... so i can be the only DK in BG's afterwards.
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Asardes · September 2019

nejcn001 wrote: »

Yes change class, DK is useless next patch, so bad, very useless, change now... so i can be the only DK in BG's afterwards.
Thank you, come again.
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TheGreatBlackBear · September 2019

Well to be fair nobody uses mag anymore outside of vas and cloudrest so engulfing hasn't been the reason to have a dk tank in a very long time. The minor brutality will still guarantee dk tanks have a place imo. Unless of course, stam dk hits crazy numbers next patch.